Wiggins - could this be a Similar issue as Lance A ?
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TUEs are very common in sport, this really isn't some big expose. It's just legal exemptions scrutinised by experts approved by WADA.
According to the UK Anti-Doping authority . . .
" 53 of the 366-strong British team in Rio had current or historic TUEs"
There's nothing illegal about it at all. To me the only mistake is not making these TUEs public in the first place.
According to the UK Anti-Doping authority . . .
" 53 of the 366-strong British team in Rio had current or historic TUEs"
There's nothing illegal about it at all. To me the only mistake is not making these TUEs public in the first place.
Rich_W said:
This. If he genuinely was needing them then fine. But this line about how he's always had Asthma and always needed something is potentially damning given he didn't have it at other teams.
The strong suspicion is that he wanted to go into those specific races in the best shape he could be. And to guarantee that, they (mis)used the TUE system.
And of course theres a reason he went on the Andrew Marr show as opposed to something a bit more aggressive. MArr will know next to fk all about the intricacies of Therapeutic Use Exemptions!
Andrew Marr may know FA about TUE's but WADA certainly do and they don't have a problem with it. As has been pointed out many times, WADA don't just accept whatever a doctor, athlete or team claim, they examine each exception with three experts who understand the intricacies far better than anyone here before granting a TUE. The suggestion they don't is simply Russian propaganda because they got caught cheating and discovered that they don't have a veto at WADA on punishments for their actions.The strong suspicion is that he wanted to go into those specific races in the best shape he could be. And to guarantee that, they (mis)used the TUE system.
And of course theres a reason he went on the Andrew Marr show as opposed to something a bit more aggressive. MArr will know next to fk all about the intricacies of Therapeutic Use Exemptions!
ant leigh said:
Andrew Marr may know FA about TUE's but WADA certainly do and they don't have a problem with it. As has been pointed out many times, WADA don't just accept whatever a doctor, athlete or team claim, they examine each exception with three experts who understand the intricacies far better than anyone here before granting a TUE. The suggestion they don't is simply Russian propaganda because they got caught cheating and discovered that they don't have a veto at WADA on punishments for their actions.
I guess some people just don't like Bradley Wiggins because I cant for the life of understand why the focus of this shouldn't be the Doctors and WADA it is their party.I feel rather sorry for Wiggins. But he did stand up & state that he had never taken injections and his team do paint themselves as being cleaner than clean. Cleaner than the nasty opposition. So much so that they leave themselves open to greater scrutiny .
The implication is that they are the same as Armstrone etc but it's all OK as they have a sick note . ..
The implication is that they are the same as Armstrone etc but it's all OK as they have a sick note . ..
Jimboka said:
I feel rather sorry for Wiggins. But he did stand up & state that he had never taken injections and his team do paint themselves as being cleaner than clean. Cleaner than the nasty opposition. So much so that they leave themselves open to greater scrutiny .
The implication is that they are the same as Armstrone etc but it's all OK as they have a sick note . ..
I agree that with hindsight Wiggins would have been better being more clear about the injections in his autobiography but I also understand how loaded many questions he answers are.The implication is that they are the same as Armstrone etc but it's all OK as they have a sick note . ..
However anyone who has read the details about Armstrong and how they operated at US Postal cannot seriously suggest that this issue over TUE's is even remotely similar.
ant leigh said:
However anyone who has read the details about Armstrong and how they operated at US Postal cannot seriously suggest that this issue over TUE's is even remotely similar.
Exactly. Legal exemptions approved by WADA vs What Armstrong did. Zero comparison.
Apparently some people really have an axe to grind over this.
el stovey said:
Exactly. Legal exemptions approved by WADA vs What Armstrong did.
Zero comparison.
Apparently some people really have an axe to grind over this.
It's also relevant to note that Armstrong was eventually caught because WADA were relentless chasing him down. He certainly didn't get lenient treatment because he wasn't Russian and because WADA are soft.Zero comparison.
Apparently some people really have an axe to grind over this.
ash73 said:
el stovey said:
According to the UK Anti-Doping authority . . .
"53 of the 366-strong British team in Rio had current or historic TUEs"
That speaks volumes. How many of the British cycling team, that did nothing in the Worlds then dominated the Olympics, were being treated for acute asthma?"53 of the 366-strong British team in Rio had current or historic TUEs"
You really think the difference between the worlds and the olympics is due to TUEs?
GB cycling follow a plan to peak at the olympics.
Are people insane.. Top flight athletics, rugby, boxing all use ped. It's not a massive secret. Somethings can't even be tested for. Times haven't dropped due to better diets and supplements, or better running shoes they've dropped through experimentation of ped.
If your in top flight athletics your uaually one step ahead of the testing regime.
If your in top flight athletics your uaually one step ahead of the testing regime.
pablo said:
And still the Italians, Colombians, Spanish and French just keep their heads down and hope that the Russians dont leak their data too...
I don't get this comment - how would they be keeping their heads down? No-one for one minute actually thinks they're clean, but I'm interested to hear how they're keeping their heads down though.ash73 said:
el stovey said:
You really think the difference between the worlds and the olympics is due to TUEs?
Let's see the data, publish all of it. Wiggins told Marr they "thought about what else they could do" (his words) and lobbied the panel to get his treatment signed off. That's different to a doctor prescribing a treatment on their own initiative.If Russia or China put in a performance like that everyone would be asking questions.
el stovey said:
ash73 said:
el stovey said:
You really think the difference between the worlds and the olympics is due to TUEs?
Let's see the data, publish all of it. Wiggins told Marr they "thought about what else they could do" (his words) and lobbied the panel to get his treatment signed off. That's different to a doctor prescribing a treatment on their own initiative.If Russia or China put in a performance like that everyone would be asking questions.
Granfondo said:
As someone said "you would need to be in a hospital bed before those injections would normally be given" !
TUEs are ok if you are sick in the first place!
Why wasn't he using an inhaler like most athsmatics?
Exactly, no TUE's for salbutamol, beccatide, prednisolone (which Froome has taken with TUE's from SKY) which are the normal asthmatic treatments.TUEs are ok if you are sick in the first place!
Why wasn't he using an inhaler like most athsmatics?
Hypothetically, if I was coming up to my biggest race and wanted an extra 1%, I guess the best way to get it would be to get the team Doc to prescribe the strongest most effective drug possible to improve my performance.
Off course the UCI would have to approve but history demonstrates they are more interested in the "show" than anything else, so some comment like "I won't be able to compete without this, we are worried for his health" should do it.
I don't blame Wiggins (and am hoping to see him compete in Nov) or SKY, but am just disappointed as I though they were above this. Obviously not, I should have guessed that "marginal gains" applies to everything..........
frisbee said:
epom said:
Anyone that thinks they took these for medical or asthmatic reasons is utterly deluded.
By the letter of the law yes they are legal, I'd imagine the reason for those laws is there would be no one at allowed compete if they got stricter. So yes while it's not illegal, but how anyone can claim it isn't cheating quite simply doesn't want to see what is going on.
Hook, line and sinker. Those Russians have got you eating out of their hand.By the letter of the law yes they are legal, I'd imagine the reason for those laws is there would be no one at allowed compete if they got stricter. So yes while it's not illegal, but how anyone can claim it isn't cheating quite simply doesn't want to see what is going on.
Get Karter said:
After 'The Program' (Lance Armstrong story), I can't believe any outstanding sporting achievements are clean.
Wiggins and Froome are probably some the cleaner ones, as they ok'd their 'treatments' with the governing body.
Where there's money in sport, there's cheating.
A British cyclist in the 70's went to the continent to ride and the first question was what drugs do you want?.Wiggins and Froome are probably some the cleaner ones, as they ok'd their 'treatments' with the governing body.
Where there's money in sport, there's cheating.
He replied none thank but then the soigneur said you cant win the TDF on Rice cakes and bottles of water.
The problem for cycling is its become too hard for the human body to endure without some assistance whether with the OK of WADA or not. The situation here is Russia has thrown a perfect deflecting bomb to take away the heat from a Country who set out to drug its Athletes .
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