Wiggins - could this be a Similar issue as Lance A ?
Discussion
el stovey said:
Granfondo said:
Lance was the most tested athlete on earth and never failed a test was the line he trotted out time and time again!
No rules broken and UCI and WADA sanctioned!
Please read what doctors and other cyclists are saying about this drug!
Wiggo doesn't seem like your chronic bead ridden athsmatics to me but then again maybe you know more about his condition?
Lance was taking banned substances, Wiggins wasn't. That's the difference. Team sky have asked for an exemption and been given it. That's not doping. There are approved substances, not approved substances, substances approved in certain amounts, substances approved with exemptions.No rules broken and UCI and WADA sanctioned!
Please read what doctors and other cyclists are saying about this drug!
Wiggo doesn't seem like your chronic bead ridden athsmatics to me but then again maybe you know more about his condition?
It's completely different to what lance Armstrong was doing. WADA looked at his case, consulted with medical experts and approved the use. What's dodgy about that?
If he hadn't got the TUE then he wouldn't have used the substance.
Could it be possible for an athlete with an onside doctor to maybe fool a panel into thinking he/she needs a TUE ?
DeltonaS said:
You either are or pretend to be deliberately naïve.
Wiggo in July 2011 on the enforcement of the "no needles policy":
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-cannot-use-spo...
We know you have an axe to grind against British cyclists, but that article is about the ban on the use of recovery aids delivered by injection, it's not about the use of TUE delivered by injection.Wiggo in July 2011 on the enforcement of the "no needles policy":
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-cannot-use-spo...
I'm on the fence about this and still haven't made my mind up on it.
DeltonaS said:
el stovey said:
Lance was taking banned substances, Wiggins wasn't. That's the difference. Team sky have asked for an exemption and been given it. That's not doping. There are approved substances, not approved substances, substances approved in certain amounts, substances approved with exemptions.
It's completely different to what lance Armstrong was doing. WADA looked at his case, consulted with medical experts and approved the use. What's dodgy about that?
If he hadn't got the TUE then he wouldn't have used the substance.
You either are or pretend to be deliberately naïve.It's completely different to what lance Armstrong was doing. WADA looked at his case, consulted with medical experts and approved the use. What's dodgy about that?
If he hadn't got the TUE then he wouldn't have used the substance.
Wiggo in July 2011 on the enforcement of the "no needles policy":
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-cannot-use-spo...
Granfondo said:
el stovey said:
Granfondo said:
Lance was the most tested athlete on earth and never failed a test was the line he trotted out time and time again!
No rules broken and UCI and WADA sanctioned!
Please read what doctors and other cyclists are saying about this drug!
Wiggo doesn't seem like your chronic bead ridden athsmatics to me but then again maybe you know more about his condition?
Lance was taking banned substances, Wiggins wasn't. That's the difference. Team sky have asked for an exemption and been given it. That's not doping. There are approved substances, not approved substances, substances approved in certain amounts, substances approved with exemptions.No rules broken and UCI and WADA sanctioned!
Please read what doctors and other cyclists are saying about this drug!
Wiggo doesn't seem like your chronic bead ridden athsmatics to me but then again maybe you know more about his condition?
It's completely different to what lance Armstrong was doing. WADA looked at his case, consulted with medical experts and approved the use. What's dodgy about that?
If he hadn't got the TUE then he wouldn't have used the substance.
Could it be possible for an athlete with an onside doctor to maybe fool a panel into thinking he/she needs a TUE ?
Wiggins has used a substance with the WADAs approval.
el stovey said:
I'll leave you lot to it but I'm not sure having approval to do something from the governing body can be rule breaking.
If you lot have uncovered genuine rule breaking you should call the police or WADA or British cycling and then Wiggins will get banned like all the actual dopers,
It's not a question of legality it's a question of ethics. Not that we thought cycling had any...If you lot have uncovered genuine rule breaking you should call the police or WADA or British cycling and then Wiggins will get banned like all the actual dopers,
Granfondo said:
Did Lance and others fool the UCI and WADA?
Could it be possible for an athlete with an onside doctor to maybe fool a panel into thinking he/she needs a TUE ?
Multiple sources now say the system behind the TUE's doesn't work, you might even think if there is a functioning system in place at all. By the looks of it the only check the UCI/wada seems to make is that if the medical problem the rider has fits the prescribed drug prescribed by a doctor.Could it be possible for an athlete with an onside doctor to maybe fool a panel into thinking he/she needs a TUE ?
another example seems to underline that, this time Cortisone, a well know medicine against inflammation, by products; short term performance enhancement (followed by performance drop) and weight loss.
apart from Wiggins's asthmatic medicine, he and Froome, like many other riders also have TUE's for Cortisone. Below a Dutch article in the NRC newspaper from March 16th, 2013 regarding the widespread use of Cortisone in the peloton and how riders easily abuse the TUE system.
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=nl&t...
Edited by DeltonaS on Tuesday 27th September 16:22
I find the comparisons with Lance a bit odd, El Stovey is spot on, the UCI, ASO and sponsors werent cleaner than clean when Lance was racing, far from it. The UCI was, I hope, a very different organisation back then when it was Verbruggen and McQuaid's baby, Lance was increasing the profile of th sport ten fold annually, they were unlikely to kill off the Golden Goose were ethey?. I get the impression a lot of things were swept under the carpet and the show must go mentality prevailed. Meanwhile, back in the real world of proper cheating, 2015 was quite a busy year....
On 19 January, it was announced that Lampre rider Diego Ulissi was banned for nine months after the Salbutamol positive from the 2014 Giro d'Italia. The ban was backdated and ended on March 28.
On 22 January, it was announced that former Rabobank and Team Sky doctor Geert Leinders was banned for life by USADA, Anti-Doping Denmark and Anti-Doping Authority Netherlands. Former Rabobank riders Michael Rasmussen and Levi Leipheimer testified at the hearing. Information from the hearing lead to UCI Doctor and Scientific Advisor Dr. Mario Zorzoli being suspended by UCI.
On 10 March, UCI announced that Lloyd Mondory (Ag2r-La Mondiale) had tested positive for EPO in an out-of-competition control on 17 February 2015.
On 23 April, it was announced that Hichem Chaabane had tested positive for two undisclosed prohibited substances and was provisionally suspended from racing.
On 9 June, it was announced that Petr Ignatenko of Rusvelo had tested positive to human growth hormone on 8 April 2015. He was fired by his team.
On 9 June, the UCI confirmed that Ramon Carretero of Southeast Pro Cycling had tested positive for EPO on 22 April, before the Tour of Turkey.
On 30 June, it was announced that Davide Appollonio of Androni Giocattoli–Sidermec gave an adverse analytical finding for EPO, on June 14 – two weeks after completing the Giro d'Italia, and was provisionally suspended.
On 22 June, former pro rider Nicki Sørensen publicly admitted to doping in the past.
On 23 June, Anti-doping Danmark published their report on doping in Danish cycling between 1998 and 2015. The report said that CSC team leaders and staff Bjarne Riis, Johnny Weltz, Alex Pedersen, and a number of Danish former riders, of whom only Nicki Sørensen and Frank Høj were named, had all violated applicable anti-doping rules, but that the statute of limitations (8 years) prevented ADD from opening doping cases against them.
On 24 June, former pro rider Bjarke Schmidt Nielsen admitted to prohibited use of cortisone in the past.
On 8 July, it was disclosed that Vegard Robinson Bugge (Team Sparebanken Sør) had tested positive for terbutaline and was provisionally suspended by his team. He was handed a four-month ban in October, lasting from 29 June to 28 October 2015.
On 10 July, it was disclosed that in the 2015 Tour de France, Luca Paolini (Team Katusha) tested positive for cocaine. He was thrown out of the race after stage 7.
On 15 July, it was announced that Francesco Reda (Team Idea 2010 ASD) had tested positive to EPO after the Italian National Road Race Championships, which he finished second.
On 16 July, UCI announced that Alexandre Pliu?chin had been banned for 9 months for a Salbutamol positive from November 2014,[630] when he was riding for Skydive Dubai Pro Cycling.
On 19 July, former pro rider Frank Høj admitted to doping in the past.
On 20 July, it was announced by the Chilean Olympic Committee that Carlos Oyarzun had been sent home from the 2015 Pan American Games in Toronto after he'd tested positive for the HIF prolyl-hydroxylase inhibitor FG-4592. In August 2016 UCI disclosed that Oyarzun had been handed a four-year ban.
On 22 July, it was disclosed that Colombian track rider María Luisa Calle had tested positive for GHRP2 at the 2015 Pan American Games.
On 27 July, it was announced that Fabio Taborre (Androni Giocattoli–Sidermec) had tested positive for the HIF prolyl-hydroxylase inhibitor FG-4592 on 16 June, and that Taborre was provisionally suspended. His team Androni Giocattoli-Sidermec was also facing sanction from UCI, as this was the second anti-doping rule violation in less than a year for riders from the team. Davide Appollonio had tested positive for EPO in a control only two days prior to Taborre's positive test. The team would also have to auto suspend itself from competition for 4 weeks in accordance with MPCC rules, as it was their 3rd positive in less than 2 years. (Patrick Facchini tested positive for tuaminoheptane in 2014).
On 28 July, UCI announced that Mónica Calderon of Colombia had tested positive for clostebol metabolites at Vuelta Ciclista Femenina a Costa Rica on 13 June.
On 29 July, UCI announced that their Disciplinary Commission had suspended Androni Giocattoli–Sidermec for 30 days, starting 1 August, for two doping rule violatons committed by the team's riders within 12 months. Davide Appollonio and Fabio Taborre had both tested positive mid June, and new UCI rules 1 January 2015 introduced Team Suspension provisions in cases of multiple doping rule violations on a team. Androni Giocattoli–Sidermec was the first team to be sanctioned under this rule.
On 3 August, Tom Danielson (Cannondale–Garmin) disclosed that he'd been notified by the USADA that he had tested positive for synthetic testosterone in a sample collected out-of-competition 9 July.
On 18 August, it was announced that Giampaolo Caruso was provisionally suspended for an EPO positive after a sample from March 2012 had been re-tested by UCI.
On 24 August, it was announced that Hichem Chaabane had been handed a 4-year ban from sports for testing positive for EPO and methylprednisolone on 24 and 28 March, during the Tour d'Algérie.
On 6 September, Clara Hughes revealed that she had served a 3-month "silent ban" after an ephedrine positive at the 1994 UCI Road World Championships. Neither UCI nor Cycling Canada had announced the doping case at the time, and UCI has never published any information about Hughes being disqualified from the 1994 World Championships.
On 18 September, UCI revealed that Alexey Shmidt (Russia) was provisionally suspended for an EPO positive in sample collected in November 2011.Shmidt rode for the professional continental team Team Type 1-Sanofi in 2011, and was a DS for the Team Novo Nordisk development team at the time of the announcement of the positive.
On 18 September, UCI revealed that mountain biker Blaža Klemen?i? (Slovenia) was provisionally suspended for an EPO positive in sample collected in March 2012.Blaža Klemen?i? rode for the Felt-Ötztal-X-Bionic Team in 2012. She was subsequently handed a two-year ban and her results from 27 March 2012 to 31 December 2012 were annulled.
On 18 September, the Czech Cycling Federation announced that 22 year old track cyclist Ondrej Rybin (Czech Republic) had been handed a 4-year ban from sports after he'd tested positive for EPO in an out-of-competition control in June. Rybin had won bronze in the scratch race at the 2015 European Track Championships (under-23 & junior) in July, a race he was set to be disqualified from after the positive from June was revealed.
On 19 September, it was announced that British cyclist Dan Stevens had been banned for 21 months after refusing to submit to an out-of-competition doping control on 29 January 2014. He'd received a 3-month cut of the sanction for providing valuable information to the Cycling Independent Reform Commission in 2014.
On 28 September, UCI announced that José Roberto Rojas Romero of Venezuela was banned for 2 years for a formestane positive from 10 July 2014, that Adrian Alvarado Teneb of Chile was banned for 2 years for an EPO positive from 1 May 2014, and that Karl Murray of New Zealand was banned 2 years for a nandrolone and testosterone positive from 22 October 2013.
On 11 December Naser Rezavi (Pishgaman–Giant Team) tested positive for anabolic steroids
On 19 January, it was announced that Lampre rider Diego Ulissi was banned for nine months after the Salbutamol positive from the 2014 Giro d'Italia. The ban was backdated and ended on March 28.
On 22 January, it was announced that former Rabobank and Team Sky doctor Geert Leinders was banned for life by USADA, Anti-Doping Denmark and Anti-Doping Authority Netherlands. Former Rabobank riders Michael Rasmussen and Levi Leipheimer testified at the hearing. Information from the hearing lead to UCI Doctor and Scientific Advisor Dr. Mario Zorzoli being suspended by UCI.
On 10 March, UCI announced that Lloyd Mondory (Ag2r-La Mondiale) had tested positive for EPO in an out-of-competition control on 17 February 2015.
On 23 April, it was announced that Hichem Chaabane had tested positive for two undisclosed prohibited substances and was provisionally suspended from racing.
On 9 June, it was announced that Petr Ignatenko of Rusvelo had tested positive to human growth hormone on 8 April 2015. He was fired by his team.
On 9 June, the UCI confirmed that Ramon Carretero of Southeast Pro Cycling had tested positive for EPO on 22 April, before the Tour of Turkey.
On 30 June, it was announced that Davide Appollonio of Androni Giocattoli–Sidermec gave an adverse analytical finding for EPO, on June 14 – two weeks after completing the Giro d'Italia, and was provisionally suspended.
On 22 June, former pro rider Nicki Sørensen publicly admitted to doping in the past.
On 23 June, Anti-doping Danmark published their report on doping in Danish cycling between 1998 and 2015. The report said that CSC team leaders and staff Bjarne Riis, Johnny Weltz, Alex Pedersen, and a number of Danish former riders, of whom only Nicki Sørensen and Frank Høj were named, had all violated applicable anti-doping rules, but that the statute of limitations (8 years) prevented ADD from opening doping cases against them.
On 24 June, former pro rider Bjarke Schmidt Nielsen admitted to prohibited use of cortisone in the past.
On 8 July, it was disclosed that Vegard Robinson Bugge (Team Sparebanken Sør) had tested positive for terbutaline and was provisionally suspended by his team. He was handed a four-month ban in October, lasting from 29 June to 28 October 2015.
On 10 July, it was disclosed that in the 2015 Tour de France, Luca Paolini (Team Katusha) tested positive for cocaine. He was thrown out of the race after stage 7.
On 15 July, it was announced that Francesco Reda (Team Idea 2010 ASD) had tested positive to EPO after the Italian National Road Race Championships, which he finished second.
On 16 July, UCI announced that Alexandre Pliu?chin had been banned for 9 months for a Salbutamol positive from November 2014,[630] when he was riding for Skydive Dubai Pro Cycling.
On 19 July, former pro rider Frank Høj admitted to doping in the past.
On 20 July, it was announced by the Chilean Olympic Committee that Carlos Oyarzun had been sent home from the 2015 Pan American Games in Toronto after he'd tested positive for the HIF prolyl-hydroxylase inhibitor FG-4592. In August 2016 UCI disclosed that Oyarzun had been handed a four-year ban.
On 22 July, it was disclosed that Colombian track rider María Luisa Calle had tested positive for GHRP2 at the 2015 Pan American Games.
On 27 July, it was announced that Fabio Taborre (Androni Giocattoli–Sidermec) had tested positive for the HIF prolyl-hydroxylase inhibitor FG-4592 on 16 June, and that Taborre was provisionally suspended. His team Androni Giocattoli-Sidermec was also facing sanction from UCI, as this was the second anti-doping rule violation in less than a year for riders from the team. Davide Appollonio had tested positive for EPO in a control only two days prior to Taborre's positive test. The team would also have to auto suspend itself from competition for 4 weeks in accordance with MPCC rules, as it was their 3rd positive in less than 2 years. (Patrick Facchini tested positive for tuaminoheptane in 2014).
On 28 July, UCI announced that Mónica Calderon of Colombia had tested positive for clostebol metabolites at Vuelta Ciclista Femenina a Costa Rica on 13 June.
On 29 July, UCI announced that their Disciplinary Commission had suspended Androni Giocattoli–Sidermec for 30 days, starting 1 August, for two doping rule violatons committed by the team's riders within 12 months. Davide Appollonio and Fabio Taborre had both tested positive mid June, and new UCI rules 1 January 2015 introduced Team Suspension provisions in cases of multiple doping rule violations on a team. Androni Giocattoli–Sidermec was the first team to be sanctioned under this rule.
On 3 August, Tom Danielson (Cannondale–Garmin) disclosed that he'd been notified by the USADA that he had tested positive for synthetic testosterone in a sample collected out-of-competition 9 July.
On 18 August, it was announced that Giampaolo Caruso was provisionally suspended for an EPO positive after a sample from March 2012 had been re-tested by UCI.
On 24 August, it was announced that Hichem Chaabane had been handed a 4-year ban from sports for testing positive for EPO and methylprednisolone on 24 and 28 March, during the Tour d'Algérie.
On 6 September, Clara Hughes revealed that she had served a 3-month "silent ban" after an ephedrine positive at the 1994 UCI Road World Championships. Neither UCI nor Cycling Canada had announced the doping case at the time, and UCI has never published any information about Hughes being disqualified from the 1994 World Championships.
On 18 September, UCI revealed that Alexey Shmidt (Russia) was provisionally suspended for an EPO positive in sample collected in November 2011.Shmidt rode for the professional continental team Team Type 1-Sanofi in 2011, and was a DS for the Team Novo Nordisk development team at the time of the announcement of the positive.
On 18 September, UCI revealed that mountain biker Blaža Klemen?i? (Slovenia) was provisionally suspended for an EPO positive in sample collected in March 2012.Blaža Klemen?i? rode for the Felt-Ötztal-X-Bionic Team in 2012. She was subsequently handed a two-year ban and her results from 27 March 2012 to 31 December 2012 were annulled.
On 18 September, the Czech Cycling Federation announced that 22 year old track cyclist Ondrej Rybin (Czech Republic) had been handed a 4-year ban from sports after he'd tested positive for EPO in an out-of-competition control in June. Rybin had won bronze in the scratch race at the 2015 European Track Championships (under-23 & junior) in July, a race he was set to be disqualified from after the positive from June was revealed.
On 19 September, it was announced that British cyclist Dan Stevens had been banned for 21 months after refusing to submit to an out-of-competition doping control on 29 January 2014. He'd received a 3-month cut of the sanction for providing valuable information to the Cycling Independent Reform Commission in 2014.
On 28 September, UCI announced that José Roberto Rojas Romero of Venezuela was banned for 2 years for a formestane positive from 10 July 2014, that Adrian Alvarado Teneb of Chile was banned for 2 years for an EPO positive from 1 May 2014, and that Karl Murray of New Zealand was banned 2 years for a nandrolone and testosterone positive from 22 October 2013.
On 11 December Naser Rezavi (Pishgaman–Giant Team) tested positive for anabolic steroids
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 27th September 14:57
To Pablo,I am not making a comparison with lance and Wiggo just that LA fooled a lot of people including the UCI and maybe just maybe some athletes are getting TUEs when they don't need them!
Does anyone really believe that Dave Brailsford Sky's top man didn't know or wasn't made aware that Wiggo was being prescribed a known cyclists PED?
Does anyone really believe that Dave Brailsford Sky's top man didn't know or wasn't made aware that Wiggo was being prescribed a known cyclists PED?
Its interesting that only Paolini and Danielson were with UCI world tour teams, the rest were pro continental etc. You could argue that the WT teams are being issued with TUEs and therefore dont have to get involved in the murky world of EPO or growth hormones these days to find their "equalisers"...
I'm still positive that there is a lot more going on than people want to admit, the Iglinsky case stank, that they were acting alone and without the teams knowledge is bulls
t. They were sacrifical lambs and paid handsomely for their efforts.
Sky are the only team who have been outed but if Wiggins was being issued with TUEas far back as his days at Slipstream, I guarantee every WT team has TUEs.
I'm still positive that there is a lot more going on than people want to admit, the Iglinsky case stank, that they were acting alone and without the teams knowledge is bulls
t. They were sacrifical lambs and paid handsomely for their efforts. Sky are the only team who have been outed but if Wiggins was being issued with TUEas far back as his days at Slipstream, I guarantee every WT team has TUEs.
Granfondo said:
To Pablo,I am not making a comparison with lance and Wiggo just that LA fooled a lot of people including the UCI and maybe just maybe some athletes are getting TUEs when they don't need them!
Does anyone really believe that Dave Brailsford Sky's top man didn't know or wasn't made aware that Wiggo was being prescribed a known cyclists PED?
Lance didnt fool them though, he bought them. He was bringing in millions of viewers to the sport, why would they ban him?Does anyone really believe that Dave Brailsford Sky's top man didn't know or wasn't made aware that Wiggo was being prescribed a known cyclists PED?
I too think that pretty much the entire peloton are in possession of TUEs that arent required, that would at least help explain some things we have witnessed in recent grand tours because this is sport and there is money involved. Its not clean and it never will be but there are things that the UCI and WADA can do to help. Namely, without disclosing identities, releasing all the TUEs approved in the last few years may help?
Do I believe DB was unaware Wiggo had taken a known PED, I doubt it, I think DB knows exactly who in the peloton has what TUE though.
Ok, does anyone on here truly believe that someone with Asthma so bad that he would need a TUE would be able to win the toughest competition there is?
Does he even have Asthma ?
Why be allowed to have a TUE, I'm too small for basketball but hey I haven't applied for leg extensions to level out the playing field.
As earlier stated, those that can't see what is really going on here just don't want to. And ya know what? That's cool too.
Does he even have Asthma ?
Why be allowed to have a TUE, I'm too small for basketball but hey I haven't applied for leg extensions to level out the playing field.
As earlier stated, those that can't see what is really going on here just don't want to. And ya know what? That's cool too.
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