Wiggins - could this be a Similar issue as Lance A ?
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_Neal_ said:
Rich_W said:
Granfondo said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
Granfondo said:
That's the bit I don't understand when he has missed 3 tests himself!
So he missed three tests in 11 years. 
Yes and goes on to criticise another Pro about being unprofessional !
I can fully accept anybody missing a whereabouts. Hence why the system allows for a genuine mistake. But 3 in the same year is just nonsense. And points to either something sinister (not convinced she's a doper tbh) But more likely a case of "do you know who I am?" An arrogance that is simply not becoming.
Very different from Deignan, hence why he (and other pros who may miss tests now and again) aren't sanctioned for it. And why would he mention it in his book? Unless he's said something like "I've never missed a test" (which I don't believe he has).
Presumably he meant no excuse other than a flight and a time difference...
He's a right plum.
JuniorD said:
Discussing Armitstead/Deignan's missed test, Wiggins stated: "When you're a professional athlete and you're a world champion, there's no excuse".
Presumably he meant no excuse other than a flight and a time difference...
He's a right plum.
As in "no excuse for missing three tests" (i.e. because after 1 missed test, let alone 2, your own governing bodies are all over you putting in place procedures, dedicated staff etc to ensure you don't miss more). Very harsh to criticise Wiggins for this I think. Presumably he meant no excuse other than a flight and a time difference...
He's a right plum.
As to the point above about "why not put it in his book then?" he's rather damned if he does and damned if he doesn't isn't he? Puts it in the book and headlines are "Wiggins : I missed drug tests" or similar, even though the whole system is set up to allow leeway because things happen, but if enough tests are missed in a set period, there are sanctions because missing that many tests in that time period is indicative of having something to hide.
Missing one test (or three tested over 10+ years) isn't.
_Neal_ said:
JuniorD said:
Discussing Armitstead/Deignan's missed test, Wiggins stated: "When you're a professional athlete and you're a world champion, there's no excuse".
Presumably he meant no excuse other than a flight and a time difference...
He's a right plum.
As in "no excuse for missing three tests" (i.e. because after 1 missed test, let alone 2, your own governing bodies are all over you putting in place procedures, dedicated staff etc to ensure you don't miss more). Very harsh to criticise Wiggins for this I think. Presumably he meant no excuse other than a flight and a time difference...
He's a right plum.
As to the point above about "why not put it in his book then?" he's rather damned if he does and damned if he doesn't isn't he? Puts it in the book and headlines are "Wiggins : I missed drug tests" or similar, even though the whole system is set up to allow leeway because things happen, but if enough tests are missed in a set period, there are sanctions because missing that many tests in that time period is indicative of having something to hide.
Missing one test (or three tested over 10+ years) isn't.
People in glass houses and all that....
Granfondo said:
I'am not criticising him for missing the tests but for ripping into Diegnan when the first missed test was not her fault and one other was "a family crisis" which could happen to any rider!
People in glass houses and all that....
But he's not in a glass house (in respect of missed tests) is he? He's never missed two in a row, let alone three. People in glass houses and all that....
Let's also be clear, Diegnan didn't appeal the first one until she missed the third, either.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/02/lizz...
_Neal_ said:
Granfondo said:
I'am not criticising him for missing the tests but for ripping into Diegnan when the first missed test was not her fault and one other was "a family crisis" which could happen to any rider!
People in glass houses and all that....
But he's not in a glass house (in respect of missed tests) is he? He's never missed two in a row, let alone three. People in glass houses and all that....
Let's also be clear, Diegnan didn't appeal the first one until she missed the third, either.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/02/lizz...
Why would she bother to appeal when you have a 3 strike rule?
okgo said:
Re that, I think Wiggins again probably made his comments thinking nobody would ever know about his own missed tests. But yes, 3 in 11 years somewhat different to 3 in a year. Which is totally idiotic, and I still think very questionable.
Exactly, if there were genuine reasons for missing the tests then what harm was it including them in the book, another talking point and publicity for the book. All ideal for Wiggins.... unless. Granfondo said:
He criticised someone for missing tests when he himself has missed tests and that's not a glass house?
Why would she bother to appeal when you have a 3 strike rule?
He criticised her for missing three tests (not one test) as you actually stated above. If he criticised her for missing one test then your "glass house" point holds. But he didn't, so it doesn't make sense. Unless you're saying he's in a glass house because of the TUE controversy? Which again isn't logical. Why would she bother to appeal when you have a 3 strike rule?
Why wouldn't she have appealed if the finding wasn't legitimate? If she'd been successful she wouldn't have even been on "Strike 1", and thus never got to Strike 3 in the first place. The fact is she got to Strike 3 then had to scratch around (in public) for a ground to appeal one of the findings. Far more stressful and high profile than appealing the first one at the time, surely?
By the way, as you can see from my posts above, I'm not a big Sky/Wiggins fan, but feel he should at least be criticised/accused of hypocrisy for reasonable and logical reasons.
epom said:
Exactly, if there were genuine reasons for missing the tests then what harm was it including them in the book, another talking point and publicity for the book. All ideal for Wiggins.... unless.
he also missed the three times he had an amazing dump. It was 11 years it is not significant now it wasn't significant then. Missing 3 test in 12 months is a different matter and needed a full explanation which the powers that be considered and accepted you cant have it all ways these matters are black and white and no penalties were administered to either rider._Neal_ said:
He criticised her for missing three tests (not one test) as you actually stated above. If he criticised her for missing one test then your "glass house" point holds. But he didn't, so it doesn't make sense. Unless you're saying he's in a glass house because of the TUE controversy? Which again isn't logical.
Why wouldn't she have appealed if the finding wasn't legitimate? If she'd been successful she wouldn't have even been on "Strike 1", and thus never got to Strike 3 in the first place. The fact is she got to Strike 3 then had to scratch around (in public) for a ground to appeal one of the findings. Far more stressful and high profile than appealing the first one at the time, surely?
By the way, as you can see from my posts above, I'm not a big Sky/Wiggins fan, but feel he should at least be criticised/accused of hypocrisy for reasonable and logical reasons.
I thought "testS" was more than one but you may have a different perspective!Why wouldn't she have appealed if the finding wasn't legitimate? If she'd been successful she wouldn't have even been on "Strike 1", and thus never got to Strike 3 in the first place. The fact is she got to Strike 3 then had to scratch around (in public) for a ground to appeal one of the findings. Far more stressful and high profile than appealing the first one at the time, surely?
By the way, as you can see from my posts above, I'm not a big Sky/Wiggins fan, but feel he should at least be criticised/accused of hypocrisy for reasonable and logical reasons.
If there was no grounds for appeal then she would not have been found in her favour and IMO missed tests should be public anyway as with TUEs!
Anyway we all see things differently so
http://www.ukad.org.uk/anti-doping-rule-violations...
check out the list of people currently serving bans and just look at the Rugby lads and the ONE or two Cyclist.
check out the list of people currently serving bans and just look at the Rugby lads and the ONE or two Cyclist.
mcelliott said:
'I've never ever ever spoken to any rider, any nationality, either at British cycling, or team sky about doping.' Brailsford.
Hmmm, that one's up there with Wiggins' 'I've never raced with Lance'.
The comical thing is we know he's had these discussions because of the Leinders/Barry/Millar conversations, so what's the point denying it?!... Sir Dave needs to go away for a month or two and have a think. It's getting silly. A great institution and a lot of people hard work is now on a knife edge of credibility.Hmmm, that one's up there with Wiggins' 'I've never raced with Lance'.
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I thought "testS" was more than one but you may have a different perspective!
If there was no grounds for appeal then she would not have been found in her favour and IMO missed tests should be public anyway as with TUEs!
Anyway we all see things differently so
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Indeed, we do see things differently!
johnxjsc1985 said:
mcelliott said:
So Froome dawg weighs in with 'it's a shame we're now questioning the validity of another Tour winner'. Jesus wept.
if he questions Wiggins then he is questioning Brailsford and SKY don't think that will go down to well.
Dr Imran T said:
I'm sure Froome made some other comments regarding BW use of TUE's earlier too.
Didn't Nico Roche put the knife in a bit now he's left Sky??
yes these are very principled men who speak out when its safe to do so i.e when they have left or been sacked as in the Locke case. Froome himself has used TUE's for Asthma on a few occasions hasn't he?. Not sure how this could ever be resolved as when UKAD clear SKY the background noise isn't going to go away. Didn't Nico Roche put the knife in a bit now he's left Sky??
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