Wiggins - could this be a Similar issue as Lance A ?

Wiggins - could this be a Similar issue as Lance A ?

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JuniorD

8,626 posts

223 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
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okgo said:
I'm sure he knows what he is doing re the comments. They need him really.

Without Froome what have they actually got? A few half decent classics riders and some decent but not tour winning climbers.
In all fairness to Sky, they do know how to turn an also-ran into a Tour winner...

WestyCarl

3,255 posts

125 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
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johnxjsc1985 said:
yes these are very principled men who speak out when its safe to do so i.e when they have left or been sacked as in the Locke case. Froome himself has used TUE's for Asthma on a few occasions hasn't he?. Not sure how this could ever be resolved as when UKAD clear SKY the background noise isn't going to go away.
Froome's TUE was for prednisolone which is the standard NHS treatment (after inhaler) not some rocket fuel steroid.

jesusbuiltmycar

4,537 posts

254 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
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WestyCarl said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
yes these are very principled men who speak out when its safe to do so i.e when they have left or been sacked as in the Locke case. Froome himself has used TUE's for Asthma on a few occasions hasn't he?. Not sure how this could ever be resolved as when UKAD clear SKY the background noise isn't going to go away.
Froome's TUE was for prednisolone which is the standard NHS treatment (after inhaler) not some rocket fuel steroid.
Froome was quite open about the 2 occasions that he used it as well. A lot of saddos on the "Clinic" seem to believe he took a dose large enough for a horse.

I have some experience of prednisolone - it has often been prescribed to my 6 year old son in similar sized doses to the one given to Froome - when it works it keeps him out of the ICU ward.


johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

164 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
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WestyCarl said:
Froome's TUE was for prednisolone which is the standard NHS treatment (after inhaler) not some rocket fuel steroid.
but he couldn't have performed without it could he therefore his performance was enhanced as was Wiggins who also had a TUE administered. IF Wiggins symptoms required the drug he was prescribed by a Doctor then agreed to by the UCI he is in the clear end of Story. He will be cleared by UKAD because he followed the rules. the rules may need to be changed and almost certainly will be.

Granfondo

12,241 posts

206 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
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johnxjsc1985 said:
WestyCarl said:
Froome's TUE was for prednisolone which is the standard NHS treatment (after inhaler) not some rocket fuel steroid.
but he couldn't have performed without it could he therefore his performance was enhanced as was Wiggins who also had a TUE administered. IF Wiggins symptoms required the drug he was prescribed by a Doctor then agreed to by the UCI he is in the clear end of Story. He will be cleared by UKAD because he followed the rules. the rules may need to be changed and almost certainly will be.
rofl

epom

11,520 posts

161 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
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johnxjsc1985 said:
WestyCarl said:
Froome's TUE was for prednisolone which is the standard NHS treatment (after inhaler) not some rocket fuel steroid.
but he couldn't have performed without it could he therefore his performance was enhanced as was Wiggins who also had a TUE administered. IF Wiggins symptoms required the drug he was prescribed by a Doctor then agreed to by the UCI he is in the clear end of Story. He will be cleared by UKAD because he followed the rules. the rules may need to be changed and almost certainly will be.
Incredible blinkeragesmile

okgo

38,038 posts

198 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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epom said:
Incredible blinkeragesmile
Quite incredible isn't it.

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

164 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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no its just accepting the facts as they are at present not joining in with the lynch mob mentality against Wiggins. The facts at present are he is guilty of nothing and actually hasn't been charged with anything.
There are a list of riders who have been found guilty more than once in fact but they seem immune to the furore around Wiggins and Sky. Personally I cant stand SKY as a company and I don't think focusing on just the TDF has been good for the rest of cycling but that doesn't mean they have done anything wrong.

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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Some interesting comments about the 2015 Italian National championships revealed this week. Runner up was told the post race blood test couldn't be completed as they didn't have the necessary equipment to do any testing yet the winner went in to the truck for a few minutes and came out with a certificate saying his test was completed....

Winner now threatens to sue runner up and press outlet "to protect his name", wonder if there is more to this than meets the eye....

funkyrobot

18,789 posts

228 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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pablo said:
Some interesting comments about the 2015 Italian National championships revealed this week. Runner up was told the post race blood test couldn't be completed as they didn't have the necessary equipment to do any testing yet the winner went in to the truck for a few minutes and came out with a certificate saying his test was completed....

Winner now threatens to sue runner up and press outlet "to protect his name", wonder if there is more to this than meets the eye....
Do you have a source for this? Fancy a read.

funkyrobot

18,789 posts

228 months

Granfondo

12,241 posts

206 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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[quote=pablo]JTL still bitter is he!? rofl [quote=pablo]

Remember using that as a get out for Sky?

The riders accusing Niballi ,one is serving an 8 year ban and the other who is being sued is serving a lifetime ban!




JuniorD

8,626 posts

223 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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funkyrobot said:
pablo said:
Some interesting comments about the 2015 Italian National championships revealed this week. Runner up was told the post race blood test couldn't be completed as they didn't have the necessary equipment to do any testing yet the winner went in to the truck for a few minutes and came out with a certificate saying his test was completed....

Winner now threatens to sue runner up and press outlet "to protect his name", wonder if there is more to this than meets the eye....
Do you have a source for this? Fancy a read.
http://road.cc/content/news/208775-vincenzo-nibali-threatens-lawsuit-against-tv-show-claims-he-missed-drugs-test

All I can say is the guy in second place - Francesco Reda - making the allegations is an utter specimen and a serial cheat.

After coming back from his first doing ban (14 months in 2013 for refusing to undergo a test) he raced the An Post Ras in Ireland in 2015. He won the first stage and looked absolutely charged up like a loony. The next day he was booted off the race for repeatedly holding onto the team car to get back on after a puncture. After that, he went on a twitter rampage saying Ireland stank of pig st!

A month later, he gets 2nd in the above mentioned Italian national champs against some seriously big hitters, and is caught on the EPO.

What. A. Twunt.


anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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I'm well aware the riders making the accusations are known cheats, I just found the story and reaction interesting.

albundy89

493 posts

238 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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He is guilty of nothing and hasn`t been charged with anything !!!
Shades of LA
Deja Vu
As I said before,Marginal gains my arse
Legalised cheating,absolutely no different to illegal cheating.

funkyrobot

18,789 posts

228 months

Friday 11th November 2016
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okgo

38,038 posts

198 months

Friday 11th November 2016
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Of course it is. No answers yet.

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

164 months

Monday 21st November 2016
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Still no sign of any wrong doing or charges being brought in the meantime he got a great reception in London and just won the 6 Day with Cav to great applause. When I think of all the st that has taken place in Europe for decades preventing good lads from doing well because they wouldn't dope this seems a bit off.

WestyCarl

3,255 posts

125 months

Monday 21st November 2016
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johnxjsc1985 said:
Still no sign of any wrong doing or charges being brought
difficult to bring charges when the TUE's are approved by the UCI.......

Granfondo

12,241 posts

206 months

Wednesday 21st December 2016
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Do we believe Brailsford's statement that the package was a decongestant that is readily available in France but was flown from the UK via Geneva to help Brad with his snotters?