Wiggins - could this be a Similar issue as Lance A ?

Wiggins - could this be a Similar issue as Lance A ?

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WestyCarl

3,248 posts

125 months

Thursday 22nd December 2016
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johnxjsc1985 said:
its not SKY doing the investigation its UKAD and they need more time apparently. They gave Brailsford permission to discuss the contents of the package as previously they were not allowed to discuss anything whilst the investigation was ongoing. Some have already made their minds up regardless of the findings UKAD will publish. I'll wait until the evidence is out before I stick the boot in.

More time rolleyes it's just a decongestant (apparently.....)

Granfondo

12,241 posts

206 months

Thursday 22nd December 2016
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Talksteer said:
mcelliott said:
Lets not forget that through all this sky gave a perfectly healthy Wiggins a PED to win the tour.
Look up prophylactic, Wiggins is never going to have to return the yellow jersey.

okgo

38,031 posts

198 months

Thursday 22nd December 2016
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I'm going round to Johnxc's place to flog him new windows and a driveway I think.

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

164 months

Thursday 22nd December 2016
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okgo said:
I'm going round to Johnxc's place to flog him new windows and a driveway I think.
£50 and the jobs yours but the drive is just over 100m long.

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

123 months

Thursday 29th December 2016
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guardian said:
The British Cycling president, Bob Howden, insists he is prevented from confirming what was in a package delivered to Sir Bradley Wiggins five years ago due to the ongoing UK Anti-Doping investigation into the matter.

Wiggins announced his retirement on Wednesday but the contents of the package given to him at the end of a race in France in 2011 are the subject of a Ukad probe into alleged “wrongdoing”.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2016/dec/29/cycling-president-bob-howden-cannot-reveal-bradley-wiggins-package?client=safari

mail said:
Sir Bradley Wiggins might no longer be racing a bike — but the questions mount up for the first British winner of the Tour de France and his former colleagues at Team Sky.

The most damning information contained in British Cycling's response to questions put to them by MPs about the medical package delivered to Wiggins in the French Alps in June 2011 concerns the role of the courier Simon Cope.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-4071742/amp/How-urgent-Sir-Bradley-Wiggins-medicine-took-Team-Sky-four-days-package-him.html?client=safari

AndStilliRise

2,295 posts

116 months

Friday 30th December 2016
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EPO

mcelliott

8,661 posts

181 months

Friday 30th December 2016
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Really good piece by Nicole Cooke itThe Guadian about this fiasco. Me i think it was nothing more than a spare pair of bugger grips for super cool Brad.

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

164 months

Friday 30th December 2016
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Cooke hates British Cycling always has done and has always been a loner and frequently ignored team orders.

Granfondo

12,241 posts

206 months

Friday 30th December 2016
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johnxjsc1985 said:
Cooke hates British Cycling always has done and has always been a loner and frequently ignored team orders.

okgo

38,031 posts

198 months

Friday 30th December 2016
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johnxjsc1985 said:
Cooke hates British Cycling always has done and has always been a loner and frequently ignored team orders.
Please just have a listen to yourself, its nauseating.

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

164 months

Friday 30th December 2016
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okgo said:
Please just have a listen to yourself, its nauseating.
just as you are so possessed by some weird loathing for a man you probably even have never met. Which part of Cooke was untrue just ignore my posts your a real bore.

okgo

38,031 posts

198 months

Friday 30th December 2016
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johnxjsc1985 said:
just as you are so possessed by some weird loathing for a man you probably even have never met. Which part of Cooke was untrue just ignore my posts your a real bore.
My what is a real bore?

I have zero loathing at all, been to watch him race a fair few times, inc the hour, incredible athlete and always has been, but there is more to this, clearly, and the retirement is fanning the flames.

Magic919

14,126 posts

201 months

Friday 30th December 2016
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He was saying he'd retire at the end of 2016, back in 2015. I don't see why it's a factor now.

okgo

38,031 posts

198 months

Friday 30th December 2016
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He said the other week he might not, so I do see that its a factor now.

neilr

1,514 posts

263 months

Friday 30th December 2016
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In Micheal Barrys book he makes it clear that they were told in a team meeting that team Sky would do everything* within the rules to win. The context in which it is written and with what is now known about Wiggins and others makes it pretty clear what was meant.

Rules have apparently not been broken. However, whether collusion between those in higher positions in a team , riders and doctors/specialists in order for drugs to be prescribed that were performance enhancing but could be passed off as a medical requirement is something that surely at best must be a murky area as far as the rules apply.

TUE abuse is undoubtedly rampant as has been proved by various sports people admitting this. If its happening in cycling its happening in all professional sports as is outright cheating via the use of PEDs. To think otherwise is to be naive in the extreme. For the media not to make this leap smacks of not wanting to kill the golden goose.

Wiggins won the Tour and other races too with the help of legally prescribed performance enhancing drugs. His career is tainted. At best that's pretty morally questionable, even if he didn't break the actual rules. Wiggins credibility is further dented by his outright denials of injections other than for rehydration and vaccinations in his book.

I'm not saying all TUE's make an athlete a cheat, that would be ridiculous, some (maybe a lot) are totally legitimate. But closer inspection of what drugs they are prescribed and for what conditions clearly is something that needs investigation.


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popeyewhite

19,863 posts

120 months

Friday 30th December 2016
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neilr said:
Wiggins won the Tour and other races too with the help of legally prescribed performance enhancing drugs.
To have any effect on performance you'd have to take a much higher dosage of a PED than that prescribed legally by a doctor wouldn't you?

Granfondo

12,241 posts

206 months

Friday 30th December 2016
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popeyewhite said:
neilr said:
Wiggins won the Tour and other races too with the help of legally prescribed performance enhancing drugs.
To have any effect on performance you'd have to take a much higher dosage of a PED than that prescribed legally by a doctor wouldn't you?
No.

popeyewhite

19,863 posts

120 months

Friday 30th December 2016
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Granfondo said:
popeyewhite said:
neilr said:
Wiggins won the Tour and other races too with the help of legally prescribed performance enhancing drugs.
To have any effect on performance you'd have to take a much higher dosage of a PED than that prescribed legally by a doctor wouldn't you?
No.
Last time I doubled up my ventolin and had a strong coffee before a run I didn't notice any difference. I appreciate that a drug can still be described as 'performance enhancing' even if it just helps you sleep well (ie aid recovery). So what drugs in tiny amounts that a team Doctor can prescribe are we talking about?

Granfondo

12,241 posts

206 months

Friday 30th December 2016
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popeyewhite said:
Granfondo said:
popeyewhite said:
neilr said:
Wiggins won the Tour and other races too with the help of legally prescribed performance enhancing drugs.
To have any effect on performance you'd have to take a much higher dosage of a PED than that prescribed legally by a doctor wouldn't you?
No.
Last time I doubled up my ventolin and had a strong coffee before a run I didn't notice any difference. I appreciate that a drug can still be described as 'performance enhancing' even if it just helps you sleep well (ie aid recovery). So what drugs in tiny amounts that a team Doctor can prescribe are we talking about?
Read what David Millar said about the drug!

popeyewhite

19,863 posts

120 months

Friday 30th December 2016
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Granfondo said:
Read what David Millar said about the drug!
Do you have a link please?