Wiggins - could this be a Similar issue as Lance A ?

Wiggins - could this be a Similar issue as Lance A ?

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Granfondo

12,241 posts

207 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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mcelliott said:
This is just too funny. What was the mission statement again? Attention to detail and transparency. Yet they don't keep a record of anything, and their team doctor takes a laptop on holiday apparently detailing all the riders' medical requirement, and it gets stolen. So that was 2014, yes, hmmm, that will coincide with Froome's dodgy TUE at Romandie.
And they don't backup that kind of information?

Kawasicki

13,096 posts

236 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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TUE. What a sham.

I tried to run 800m quickly the other night. I failed. I was wheezing like an asthmatic when I finished.





Wait a minute, I've got an idea.

E24man

6,732 posts

180 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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The Brailsford interview on the BBC website smacks of him being cornered and handing out vague sound-bites by way of delaying the inevitable.

WestyCarl

3,270 posts

126 months

Thursday 2nd March 2017
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I've been a pretty strong Brailsford / SKY supporter, however my bullst detector is telling me all this marginal gains is a window dressing diversion. Seems nothing much has changed in pro cycling frown

Nardiola

1,173 posts

220 months

Thursday 2nd March 2017
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His interview was pretty painful to watch, non-answers, misdirection, lots of hand waving. He didn't do a very good job of coming across as a guy with nothing to hide.

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

197 months

Thursday 2nd March 2017
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So what's a relatively fair overview? It sounds to me love me Sky have got everyone nailed down and if there was any wrongdoing no one is going to talk.

Is Froome under suspicion? I thought he was the one putting out rumours about Wiggins?

Cheib

23,292 posts

176 months

Thursday 2nd March 2017
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I don't think anyone riding for British Cycling or Sky is beyond suspicion now....pretty clear from the quantities of drugs involved it wasn't just Wiggins receiving the medication. That combined with the missing laptop etc all point to something pretty systemic.

tertius

6,858 posts

231 months

Thursday 2nd March 2017
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It is utterly laughable, can they really think anyone believes them?

Granfondo

12,241 posts

207 months

Thursday 2nd March 2017
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
So what's a relatively fair overview? It sounds to me love me Sky have got everyone nailed down and if there was any wrongdoing no one is going to talk.

Is Froome under suspicion? I thought he was the one putting out rumours about Wiggins?
The overview is that unless anyone blabs then the shadow will be very dark over Wiggins and Sky but with no records then that's all it will be but Brailsfords position is untenable! IMO.

epom

11,565 posts

162 months

Thursday 2nd March 2017
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  1. CarryOnTeamSky casting auditions to begin soon !!

ALawson

7,816 posts

252 months

Thursday 2nd March 2017
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I bet Rapha are glad they are out.

It all looks very shambolic now all very disappointing.

DeltonaS

3,707 posts

139 months

Thursday 2nd March 2017
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DeltonaS said:
Granfondo said:
mcelliott said:
Kawasicki said:
David Millar wrote

The full article...

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/16/opinion/sunday/...
"Veins I didn’t even know existed would bulge through my skin. The effect of a shot of cortisone was palpable, nothing like the subtle differences from the relatively small doses of EPO and testosterone I’d previously taken."

"The three times I took Kenacort were also the times I was the lightest I’d been in my career, yet I didn’t lose power — often the penalty when a rider sheds weight. Physically, I looked like a machine, muscle fibers were visible and a road map of veins crisscrossed my entire body."
Kenacort (see above) = Kenalog
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triamcinolone


In The Guardian today:

British Cycling and Team Sky credibility in tatters after hearing
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/mar/02/brit...

"This practice was first revealed by the Fancy Bears leaks of Sir Bradley Wiggins’s therapeutic use exemptions to use the medicine to treat pollen allergies before three major Tours in 2011, 2012 and 2013 and it could well prove to be the biggest issue thrown up by Sapstead’s inquiry team.
That is because of the amount of the corticosteroid – trade name Kenalog – ordered by British Cycling and Team Sky and, by implication, where it all went. Sapstead was clear on this. The quantity of triamcinolone ordered was “far more” than Wiggins would have required for his three injections: “You would think there was an excessive amount of triamcinolone being ordered for one person or quite a few people had a very similar problem.”

"In the absence of a clear audit of which riders had been given what, she added, her team at Ukad would have to go into individual medical records to establish to which riders it had been administered and whether that use was justified. The interview given by Wiggins to the Guardian about Fancy Bears in September 2016 adds little light; he stated that he had not been given it out of competition, but later conceded that he had been given an injection in Leeds for a knee injury in 2013."

Granfondo

12,241 posts

207 months

Thursday 2nd March 2017
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DeltonaS said:
DeltonaS said:
Granfondo said:
mcelliott said:
Kawasicki said:
David Millar wrote

The full article...

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/16/opinion/sunday/...
"Veins I didn’t even know existed would bulge through my skin. The effect of a shot of cortisone was palpable, nothing like the subtle differences from the relatively small doses of EPO and testosterone I’d previously taken."

"The three times I took Kenacort were also the times I was the lightest I’d been in my career, yet I didn’t lose power — often the penalty when a rider sheds weight. Physically, I looked like a machine, muscle fibers were visible and a road map of veins crisscrossed my entire body."
Kenacort (see above) = Kenalog
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triamcinolone


In The Guardian today:

British Cycling and Team Sky credibility in tatters after hearing
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/mar/02/brit...

"This practice was first revealed by the Fancy Bears leaks of Sir Bradley Wiggins’s therapeutic use exemptions to use the medicine to treat pollen allergies before three major Tours in 2011, 2012 and 2013 and it could well prove to be the biggest issue thrown up by Sapstead’s inquiry team.
That is because of the amount of the corticosteroid – trade name Kenalog – ordered by British Cycling and Team Sky and, by implication, where it all went. Sapstead was clear on this. The quantity of triamcinolone ordered was “far more” than Wiggins would have required for his three injections: “You would think there was an excessive amount of triamcinolone being ordered for one person or quite a few people had a very similar problem.”

"In the absence of a clear audit of which riders had been given what, she added, her team at Ukad would have to go into individual medical records to establish to which riders it had been administered and whether that use was justified. The interview given by Wiggins to the Guardian about Fancy Bears in September 2016 adds little light; he stated that he had not been given it out of competition, but later conceded that he had been given an injection in Leeds for a knee injury in 2013."
Take a look at the photos above and you might get a clue to who else on team Sky Who was possibly taking it!

Edited by Granfondo on Thursday 2nd March 13:11

DeltonaS

3,707 posts

139 months

Thursday 2nd March 2017
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Granfondo said:
Take a look at the photos above and you might get a clue to who else on team Sky Who was possibly taking it!

Edited by Granfondo on Thursday 2nd March 13:11
Which photos ?

JuniorD

8,630 posts

224 months

Thursday 2nd March 2017
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Wiggins transformation from a fairly average tour rider to a GC contender (when he came fourth I think) was put down to that old chestnut "by losing weight". Pretty much the same excuse as LA.

Not only did Froome lose weight, he was also diagnosed and treated for bilharzia.

I don't know where I am going with this, but it seems that if you start off with a treatable medical condition and are a bit of a chunk, then you could one day become a winner with an excuse.


Granfondo

12,241 posts

207 months

Thursday 2nd March 2017
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DeltonaS said:
Granfondo said:
Take a look at the photos above and you might get a clue to who else on team Sky Who was possibly taking it!

Edited by Granfondo on Thursday 2nd March 13:11
Which photos ?
The ones that formed part of your quote!

DeltonaS

3,707 posts

139 months

Thursday 2nd March 2017
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Granfondo said:
The ones that formed part of your quote!
That's why I quoted those pics, Froome used TUE's as well.

Granfondo

12,241 posts

207 months

Thursday 2nd March 2017
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DeltonaS said:
Granfondo said:
The ones that formed part of your quote!
That's why I quoted those pics, Froome used TUE's as well.
Did he use Kenacort and cortisone as a TUE?

DeltonaS

3,707 posts

139 months

Thursday 2nd March 2017
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Granfondo said:
DeltonaS said:
Granfondo said:
The ones that formed part of your quote!
That's why I quoted those pics, Froome used TUE's as well.
Did he use Kenacort and cortisone as a TUE?
He used cortisone (officially) at least twice....

Granfondo

12,241 posts

207 months

Thursday 2nd March 2017
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DeltonaS said:
Granfondo said:
DeltonaS said:
Granfondo said:
The ones that formed part of your quote!
That's why I quoted those pics, Froome used TUE's as well.
Did he use Kenacort and cortisone as a TUE?
He used cortisone (officially) at least twice....
Yes, but cortisone alone will not have the weight loss that is the n the pics.