Wiggins - could this be a Similar issue as Lance A ?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/39293763: 'Josh Edmondson: Ex-Team Sky rider says he secretly injected vitamins'
An unfortunate new revelation... Sorry if this is a repost.
An unfortunate new revelation... Sorry if this is a repost.
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AKDC said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/39293763: 'Josh Edmondson: Ex-Team Sky rider says he secretly injected vitamins'
An unfortunate new revelation... Sorry if this is a repost.
Whilst I'm fairly confident BW was bending the rules massively. And I'm open to the possibility of Sky being underhand.An unfortunate new revelation... Sorry if this is a repost.
I read that BBC link as a rider (Edmondson) whose under immense pressure to perform and has probably gone a bit downhill. Potentially even depression.
Dr Steve Peters is a pretty good sports Pysch, with a pretty good pedigree, (and an excellent book in "The Chimp Paradox" ) so I'd trust him on this.
Edmondson didn't leave the house for two months die to depression brought on by the use of tramadol apparently, that's deep psychological issues right there.
With regards to your exercise induced asthma issue, spend up to eight years training hard in a velodrome and then you'd reevaluate your stance. We do 4km team pursuits for a laugh and are hacking on dry throats for at least five minutes afterwards... and that's at tubby wobblers pace. You may well be out of breath after a climb but you're unlikely to be at pro pace or do the miles they do in training. Again, if you did place your respiratory system under the same stress that professional cyclists do, you'd probably suffer from asthma too.
With regards to your exercise induced asthma issue, spend up to eight years training hard in a velodrome and then you'd reevaluate your stance. We do 4km team pursuits for a laugh and are hacking on dry throats for at least five minutes afterwards... and that's at tubby wobblers pace. You may well be out of breath after a climb but you're unlikely to be at pro pace or do the miles they do in training. Again, if you did place your respiratory system under the same stress that professional cyclists do, you'd probably suffer from asthma too.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 16th March 21:26
pablo said:
Edmondson didn't leave the house for two months die to depression brought on by the use of tramadol apparently, that's deep psychological issues right there.
With regards to your exercise induced asthma issue, spend up to eight years training hard in a velodrome and then you'd reevaluate your stance. We do 4km team pursuits for a laugh and are hacking on dry throats for at least five minutes afterwards... and that's at tubby wobblers pace. You may well be it off breath after a climb but you're unlikely to be at pro pace or do the miles they do in training. Again, if you did place your respiratory system under the same stress, you'd probably suffer from asthma too
Is every Pro cyclist on Kenacort?With regards to your exercise induced asthma issue, spend up to eight years training hard in a velodrome and then you'd reevaluate your stance. We do 4km team pursuits for a laugh and are hacking on dry throats for at least five minutes afterwards... and that's at tubby wobblers pace. You may well be it off breath after a climb but you're unlikely to be at pro pace or do the miles they do in training. Again, if you did place your respiratory system under the same stress, you'd probably suffer from asthma too
pablo said:
Edmondson didn't leave the house for two months die to depression brought on by the use of tramadol apparently, that's deep psychological issues right there.
With regards to your exercise induced asthma issue, spend up to eight years training hard in a velodrome and then you'd reevaluate your stance. We do 4km team pursuits for a laugh and are hacking on dry throats for at least five minutes afterwards... and that's at tubby wobblers pace. You may well be out of breath after a climb but you're unlikely to be at pro pace or do the miles they do in training. Again, if you did place your respiratory system under the same stress that professional cyclists do, you'd probably suffer from asthma too.
Yeah I get that what they are doing is tough.With regards to your exercise induced asthma issue, spend up to eight years training hard in a velodrome and then you'd reevaluate your stance. We do 4km team pursuits for a laugh and are hacking on dry throats for at least five minutes afterwards... and that's at tubby wobblers pace. You may well be out of breath after a climb but you're unlikely to be at pro pace or do the miles they do in training. Again, if you did place your respiratory system under the same stress that professional cyclists do, you'd probably suffer from asthma too.
Edited by pablo on Thursday 16th March 21:26
But where does "tough on the body" become "I need asthma meds"
If it was easy everyone would do it. The bottom line is the notion that it MUST be asthma and you MUST need an inhaler (aka drug that makes you go faster!)
Granfondo said:
Is every Pro cyclist on Kenacort?
No, just the Italians! 
Seriously though, we all know it's available through various loopholes via a TUE, this is professional sport, let's not assume that people aren't exploring every possible advantage to try and win. I've said it before, the problem is the TUE system, you can't blame people for exploiting it.
Rich_W said:
Yeah I get that what they are doing is tough.
But where does "tough on the body" become "I need asthma meds"
If it was easy everyone would do it. The bottom line is the notion that it MUST be asthma and you MUST need an inhaler (aka drug that makes you go faster!)
Sure I agree and the point is for us if we ever required medication to continue, we'd just stop cycling at that level of intensity. There does seem to be this perverse mentality throughout professional sport that when an ailment arises, they treat it with any means possible but I guess with cycling, they invest so much in these top riders that they can't just drop them from the team and look for a healthier rider from the roster. As I said the TUE system is a farce, I just watch the racing and assume they all have TUEs and are taking whatever is legally available through the system.But where does "tough on the body" become "I need asthma meds"
If it was easy everyone would do it. The bottom line is the notion that it MUST be asthma and you MUST need an inhaler (aka drug that makes you go faster!)
The Josh Edmondson story is very sad though
pablo said:
With regards to your exercise induced asthma issue, spend up to eight years training hard in a velodrome and then you'd reevaluate your stance.
I'd agree with this.I'm not asthmatic now and never have been before, but I have experienced exercise induced asthma (very occasionally) during races in my sport (IM triathlon) - enough to get a salbutamol inhaler on prescription as a precaution.
My doctor explained it as necessary because of the unnatural load I put on my respiratory system and I'm just an enthusiastic amateur athlete, so I can totally understand the requirement in a professional athlete. That being said, I would never, ever consider using it pre-race to aid performance (not that I'm sure it would).
I'm on the fence with Team Sky - I'm quite certain they push the boundaries though.
CoolHands said:
I don't see why anyone is allowed any kind of drug to level the playing field. If you have asthma and can't cycle as fast as the others, choose a different sport. You're not as good / fast / fit / genetically gifted as the others.
But that's the point, they don't have asthma at the start of their career or rather, very few do. Should they just give up when the symptoms appear?pablo said:
CoolHands said:
I don't see why anyone is allowed any kind of drug to level the playing field. If you have asthma and can't cycle as fast as the others, choose a different sport. You're not as good / fast / fit / genetically gifted as the others.
But that's the point, they don't have asthma at the start of their career or rather, very few do. Should they just give up when the symptoms appear?This "leveling the playing field" business is great.
pablo said:
CoolHands said:
I don't see why anyone is allowed any kind of drug to level the playing field. If you have asthma and can't cycle as fast as the others, choose a different sport. You're not as good / fast / fit / genetically gifted as the others.
But that's the point, they don't have asthma at the start of their career or rather, very few do. Should they just give up when the symptoms appear?If something hurts or makes you sick, stop doing it.
pablo said:
Granfondo said:
Is every Pro cyclist on Kenacort?
No, just the Italians! Seriously though, we all know it's available through various loopholes via a TUE, this is professional sport, let's not assume that people aren't exploring every possible advantage to try and win. I've said it before, the problem is the TUE system, you can't blame people for exploiting it.
Kawasicki said:
pablo said:
CoolHands said:
I don't see why anyone is allowed any kind of drug to level the playing field. If you have asthma and can't cycle as fast as the others, choose a different sport. You're not as good / fast / fit / genetically gifted as the others.
But that's the point, they don't have asthma at the start of their career or rather, very few do. Should they just give up when the symptoms appear?This "leveling the playing field" business is great.
Perhaps there should be a half-way house event, somewhere been Paralympics and regular Olympics; where ostensibly able bodied people but with medical conditions can compete with each other clean, mano a mano, wheezo a wheezo.
pablo said:
But that's the point, they don't have asthma at the start of their career or rather, very few do. Should they just give up when the symptoms appear?
YES. Or is this not a meritocracy? dangerousB said:
I'm not asthmatic now and never have been before, but I have experienced exercise induced asthma (very occasionally) during races in my sport (IM triathlon) - enough to get a salbutamol inhaler on prescription as a precaution.
I have a M Dot tattoo. Yet guess what. I don't have an inhaler! I didn't equate being seriously out of breath after riding up a big hill on a TT bike as a strange problem that I need to speak to a Doctor about. Much like I don't think there must be something wrong with my arms after I've done a 4K training set...dangerousB said:
My doctor explained it as necessary because of the unnatural load I put on my respiratory system and I'm just an enthusiastic amateur athlete...
And yet thousands of others complete IM's every years and don't have these problems. But you do because "it must be something" eh? Have you considered it might be that your training pre event requires modification? To adequately train, test and prepare the lungs and body before race day. You know like all those other thousands who don't need a "precaution"
mcelliott said:
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