Wiggins - could this be a Similar issue as Lance A ?
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popeyewhite said:
JuniorD said:
In a healthy person, like David Millar, it can make you lose a shed load of weight, and retain all your power,
Not if you lose muscle mass."It is said to help riders lose weight without losing power. David Millar is a former professional cyclist who admits to abusing triamcinolone twice. In the report, he is quoted as saying the drug made him "the lightest I’d been in my career, yet I didn’t lose power—often the penalty when a rider sheds weight. Physically, I looked like a machine, muscle fibres were visible and a road map of veins crisscrossed my entire body. It made me better all around."
Seems you can maintain power and lose the mass!
garyhun said:
popeyewhite said:
JuniorD said:
In a healthy person, like David Millar, it can make you lose a shed load of weight, and retain all your power,
Not if you lose muscle mass."It is said to help riders lose weight without losing power. David Millar is a former professional cyclist who admits to abusing triamcinolone twice. In the report, he is quoted as saying the drug made him "the lightest I’d been in my career, yet I didn’t lose power—often the penalty when a rider sheds weight. Physically, I looked like a machine, muscle fibres were visible and a road map of veins crisscrossed my entire body. It made me better all around."
Seems you can maintain power and lose the mass!
popeyewhite said:
sgtBerbatov said:
It seems to me though that a lot of cyclists are asthmatic?
A lot of runners are as well. It happens that a lot of runners don't even realise they're asthmatic until they start running and wonder why their lungs don't do quite so well as the rest of the field.popeyewhite said:
Granfondo said:
Pro cyclists like Froome and Wiggins would already be at 3-4-% body fat and reducing "lean muscle mass" is exactly the point! ]
If you reduce muscle mass you also reduce power and endurance. Lean tissue has nothing to do with bodyfat so posting pictures of skinny people is somewhat pointless. Yes endurance cyclists don't need big muscles, but if catabolism takes place they will start to lose what they've got!
And yes that is the same person!
sgtBerbatov said:
The thing I'd like to see is the break down of the participants and what percentage of them are asthmatic. I'm not saying they're all at it, but you can see how it could be a way of manipulating the system if you had a forgiving doctor who said you were "inclined to asthma" and gave you an inhaler just in time for a sprint?
An inhaler would make no difference, just return the asthmatics lungs to their natural non-asthmatic state - so no 'boost' whatsoever. It's murky waters that's for sure and does provide an avenue for questionable medication provision.popeyewhite said:
sgtBerbatov said:
The thing I'd like to see is the break down of the participants and what percentage of them are asthmatic. I'm not saying they're all at it, but you can see how it could be a way of manipulating the system if you had a forgiving doctor who said you were "inclined to asthma" and gave you an inhaler just in time for a sprint?
An inhaler would make no difference, just return the asthmatics lungs to their natural non-asthmatic state - so no 'boost' whatsoever. It's murky waters that's for sure and does provide an avenue for questionable medication provision.I read in one book that EPO was the one drug no cyclist could do without.
popeyewhite said:
An inhaler would make no difference, just return the asthmatics lungs to their natural non-asthmatic state - so no 'boost' whatsoever. It's murky waters that's for sure and does provide an avenue for questionable medication provision.
You and me know nothing about various pharmaceuticals and their affects combined. Kawasicki said:
popeyewhite said:
JuniorD said:
In a healthy person, like David Millar, it can make you lose a shed load of weight, and retain all your power,
Not if you lose muscle mass.
You can now tell us all how fast twitch fibres work, and indeed what classification of fast twitch fibres they are, i.e.IIa or IIb, and the difference between the two. All that being said it would be a huge disadvantage for any endurance athlete to lose Type I fibres as well.
popeyewhite said:
Kawasicki said:
popeyewhite said:
JuniorD said:
In a healthy person, like David Millar, it can make you lose a shed load of weight, and retain all your power,
Not if you lose muscle mass.You can now tell us all how fast twitch fibres work, and indeed what classification of fast twitch fibres they are, i.e.IIa or IIb, and the difference between the two. All that being said it would be a huge disadvantage for any endurance athlete to lose Type I fibres as well.
It was Tyler Hamilton on the effects of blood doping using EPO.
Said on here many times before of course, but muscle 'power' isn't a thing in endurance cycling, forces are tiny, hence you have people that look like little boys winning the biggest races going. Contador is utterly tiny.
Said on here many times before of course, but muscle 'power' isn't a thing in endurance cycling, forces are tiny, hence you have people that look like little boys winning the biggest races going. Contador is utterly tiny.
okgo said:
It was Tyler Hamilton on the effects of blood doping using EPO.
Said on here many times before of course, but muscle 'power' isn't a thing in endurance cycling, forces are tiny, hence you have people that look like little boys winning the biggest races going. Contador is utterly tiny.
Pantani was too. I remember seeing him go past on Ventoux in the 2000 TdeF with Armstrong - surprised me how small he wasSaid on here many times before of course, but muscle 'power' isn't a thing in endurance cycling, forces are tiny, hence you have people that look like little boys winning the biggest races going. Contador is utterly tiny.
I was in the breakfast tent one morning when cyclists on the TdF came in for food - bananas and pasta mainly. They all seemed small but there was the occasional 'big' bloke who stood out, but they were more or less normal size.
However, there are a small number of big blokes, or at least there were in 1990.
However, there are a small number of big blokes, or at least there were in 1990.
Granfondo said:
popeyewhite said:
Kawasicki said:
popeyewhite said:
JuniorD said:
In a healthy person, like David Millar, it can make you lose a shed load of weight, and retain all your power,
Not if you lose muscle mass.You can now tell us all how fast twitch fibres work, and indeed what classification of fast twitch fibres they are, i.e.IIa or IIb, and the difference between the two. All that being said it would be a huge disadvantage for any endurance athlete to lose Type I fibres as well.
Granfondo said:
There is a thread running on PH about "Steroids" and you would be amazed at the posters on here pumping themselves full of "the juice"!
I don't like taking paracetamol never mind buying stuff of some dodgy bloke out the back of a gym!
Surprises me how they square it away. I think people who use steriods have deep psychological scars or issues that they aren't fully aware of. I don't like taking paracetamol never mind buying stuff of some dodgy bloke out the back of a gym!
okgo said:
Said on here many times before of course, but muscle 'power' isn't a thing in endurance cycling,
In cycling outright muscle power would only be needed for sprints, so the dominating muscle fibre would be Type I slow twitch. For sprinting it would be Type IIa and Type IIb, so sprinters have bigger muscles, generally. That is not to say, as Derek has pointed out, you can't have big endurance cyclists, or even small sprinters but it's not common.okgo said:
forces are tiny, hence you have people that look like little boys winning the biggest races going. Contador is utterly tiny.
Nothing to do with tiny forces. but the energy to weight ratio of the cyclist. Gassing Station | Sports | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff