2017 Lions Tour

[Einion Yrth]

Yorkshire haka I think it's a marvellous and respectful homage to the form; some seem to be being offended.

[The Mad Monk]

I recently had a Q & A session with Eddie Jones.

amongst other things, he said:-

He wouldn't want to manage the Lions, I think mainly because of dealing with the different RUs.

He was disappointed with the performance of the Lions.

He thought only Itoje in the third test played well.

He takes personal responsibility for the defeat against Ireland.

A very interesting man, if that is not a statement of the B obvious.

[phil_cardiff]

The Mad Monk said:

I recently had a Q & A session with Eddie Jones.

amongst other things, he said:-

He wouldn't want to manage the Lions, I think mainly because of dealing with the different RUs.

He was disappointed with the performance of the Lions.

He thought only Itoje in the third test played well.

He takes personal responsibility for the defeat against Ireland.

A very interesting man, if that is not a statement of the B obvious.

Not short of ego is he?

[V12 Virgin]

phil_cardiff said:

The Mad Monk said:

I recently had a Q & A session with Eddie Jones.

amongst other things, he said:-

He wouldn't want to manage the Lions, I think mainly because of dealing with the different RUs.

He was disappointed with the performance of the Lions.

He thought only Itoje in the third test played well.

He takes personal responsibility for the defeat against Ireland.

A very interesting man, if that is not a statement of the B obvious.

Not short of ego is he?

I had a long chat with him at Pennyhill Park- he really is one of the most humble men I have met. He takes absolutely no credit for the way that England have played, he sees it as the players developing and reaching their full potential.

[phil_cardiff]

V12 Virgin said:

phil_cardiff said:

The Mad Monk said:

I recently had a Q & A session with Eddie Jones.

amongst other things, he said:-

He wouldn't want to manage the Lions, I think mainly because of dealing with the different RUs.

He was disappointed with the performance of the Lions.

He thought only Itoje in the third test played well.

He takes personal responsibility for the defeat against Ireland.

A very interesting man, if that is not a statement of the B obvious.

Not short of ego is he?

I had a long chat with him at Pennyhill Park- he really is one of the most humble men I have met. He takes absolutely no credit for the way that England have played, he sees it as the players developing and reaching their full potential.

Maybe. For me, the inference above is that if he was coaching the Lions he wouldn't have been disappointed in their performance. I may be wrong, I may not be.

[anonymous-user]

phil_cardiff said:

Maybe. For me, the inference above is that if he was coaching the Lions he wouldn't have been disappointed in their performance. I may be wrong, I may not be.

I think it is fair to say he is confident in his own abilities.

[The Mad Monk]

V12 Virgin said:

phil_cardiff said:

The Mad Monk said:

I recently had a Q & A session with Eddie Jones.

amongst other things, he said:-

He wouldn't want to manage the Lions, I think mainly because of dealing with the different RUs.

He was disappointed with the performance of the Lions.

He thought only Itoje in the third test played well.

He takes personal responsibility for the defeat against Ireland.

A very interesting man, if that is not a statement of the B obvious.

Not short of ego is he?

I had a long chat with him at Pennyhill Park- he really is one of the most humble men I have met. He takes absolutely no credit for the way that England have played, he sees it as the players developing and reaching their full potential.

When were you at PHP?

Eddie is not short of self confidence, but that doesn't bother me. Results. Results, that is what matters.

[V12 Virgin]

The Mad Monk said:

V12 Virgin said:

phil_cardiff said:

The Mad Monk said:

I recently had a Q & A session with Eddie Jones.

amongst other things, he said:-

He wouldn't want to manage the Lions, I think mainly because of dealing with the different RUs.

He was disappointed with the performance of the Lions.

He thought only Itoje in the third test played well.

He takes personal responsibility for the defeat against Ireland.

A very interesting man, if that is not a statement of the B obvious.

Not short of ego is he?

I had a long chat with him at Pennyhill Park- he really is one of the most humble men I have met. He takes absolutely no credit for the way that England have played, he sees it as the players developing and reaching their full potential.

When were you at PHP?

Eddie is not short of self confidence, but that doesn't bother me. Results. Results, that is what matters.

I've been a good number of times and spoke to Eddy on a few occasions. The last time I saw him was April time after the six nations. Last there two weeks back.

[phil_cardiff]

Me saying that he had a big ego was in no way a criticism by the way.

[DocJock]

Einion Yrth said:

Yorkshire haka I think it's a marvellous and respectful homage to the form; some seem to be being offended.

There's always someone who will be offended. I think it's great!

[phil_cardiff]

DocJock said:

Einion Yrth said:

Yorkshire haka I think it's a marvellous and respectful homage to the form; some seem to be being offended.

There's always someone who will be offended. I think it's great!

Kiwis offended by someone else doing a haka? Never!

[anonymous-user]

phil_cardiff said:

Maybe. For me, the inference above is that if he was coaching the Lions he wouldn't have been disappointed in their performance. I may be wrong, I may not be.

I agree with EJ completely.

He would have had different players and coaching staff with him and used different tactics and thus achieved a different performance from the players. I think he could have won a lions tour against the all blacks.

The lions were very lucky to get a draw and it was largely due to the sending off in the second test. With EJ instead of Gatland and Howley we would have seen a better squad and better tactics. He was quite critical of Gatlands player selections and coaching staff before the tour and he was proved right.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/9...

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 28th July 17:18

[phil_cardiff]

El stovey said:

phil_cardiff said:

Maybe. For me, the inference above is that if he was coaching the Lions he wouldn't have been disappointed in their performance. I may be wrong, I may not be.

I agree with EJ completely.

He would have had different players and coaching staff with him and used different tactics and thus achieved a different performance from the players. I think he could have won a lions tour against the all blacks.

The lions were very lucky to get a draw and it was largely due to the sending off in the second test. With EJ instead of Gatland and Howley we would have seen a better squad and better tactics. He was quite critical of Gatlands player selections and coaching staff before the tour and he was proved right.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/9...

Edited by El stovey on Friday 28th July 17:18

Hmmmm can't agree with you on a lot of that. And that's coming from someone who really dislikes Gatland and Howley.

[anonymous-user]

phil_cardiff said:

El stovey said:

phil_cardiff said:

Maybe. For me, the inference above is that if he was coaching the Lions he wouldn't have been disappointed in their performance. I may be wrong, I may not be.

I agree with EJ completely.

He would have had different players and coaching staff with him and used different tactics and thus achieved a different performance from the players. I think he could have won a lions tour against the all blacks.

The lions were very lucky to get a draw and it was largely due to the sending off in the second test. With EJ instead of Gatland and Howley we would have seen a better squad and better tactics. He was quite critical of Gatlands player selections and coaching staff before the tour and he was proved right.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/9...

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 28th July 17:18

Hmmmm can't agree with you on a lot of that. And that's coming from someone who really dislikes Gatland and Howley.

So would you rather EJ (assuming he had wanted to do it) or Gatland had led this lions tour? I would have much rather had EJ in charge. reading his comments before the tour we can see he would have done things very differently. Are you sure you don't disagree with him because he said the setup was too Welsh, and you're Welsh?

Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 29th July 12:00

[phil_cardiff]

El stovey said:

phil_cardiff said:

El stovey said:

phil_cardiff said:

Maybe. For me, the inference above is that if he was coaching the Lions he wouldn't have been disappointed in their performance. I may be wrong, I may not be.

I agree with EJ completely.

He would have had different players and coaching staff with him and used different tactics and thus achieved a different performance from the players. I think he could have won a lions tour against the all blacks.

The lions were very lucky to get a draw and it was largely due to the sending off in the second test. With EJ instead of Gatland and Howley we would have seen a better squad and better tactics. He was quite critical of Gatlands player selections and coaching staff before the tour and he was proved right.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/9...

Edited by El stovey on Friday 28th July 17:18

Hmmmm can't agree with you on a lot of that. And that's coming from someone who really dislikes Gatland and Howley.

So would you rather EJ (assuming he had wanted to do it) or Gatland had led this lions tour? I would have much rather had EJ in charge. reading his comments before the tour we can see he would have done things very differently. Are you sure you don't disagree with him because he said the setup was too Welsh, and you're Welsh?

Edited by El stovey on Saturday 29th July 12:00

100% sure.

[irocfan]

the coaching team (particularly Rob Howler [sic]) comes in for a bashing from Sean O'Brien...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/41342719

[DocJock]

Can't really argue with any of that.

[Joey Ramone]

Everyone was aware of Howley's shortcomings. It's a tribute to the players that they overcame the handicap of his presence. It was a shocking and mystifying selection.

And to correct the anti-Welsh bias evident in that statement, I thought Jonathan Davies was sublime throughout the tour, and Faletau when it counted.

Could EJ have won 3 nil? Dunno. His team lost the crucial decider in Dublin so I don't see why another team of his would have blown the All Blacks away.

[anonymous-user]

That article is spot on. Unfortunately the draw flattered many of the tours shortcomings. Hopefully Gatland (and Howley)won’t be involved otherwise it will be the same again in 2021.

I’d like to see EJ or Joe Schmidt in charge with Gregor Townsend possibly also involved,

Loads of quality coaches up for grabs after 2019 World Cup.

[Kermit power]

It does make you wonder just how much a coach at that level can actually do, doesn't it?

As I recall, there was a very similar situation in the 2007 RWC when the senior England players effectively took over running the team, and they went from almost getting dumped out at the pool stages to making the final.

Coaching kids or lower level players is one thing, but coaching a group of players who are far better players than most coaches have ever been surely has to be seriously challenging!