2017 Six Nations
Discussion
TheGreatSoprendo said:
Surely that was a try? TMO says he lost control, whatever that means. If any part of the hand is still in contact with the ball as it touches the ground then it's a try. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall seeing anything in the laws about "control".
Try for me too. The TMO will have some explaining to do in review. Even the Scotch commentator said it was a try!irocfan said:
Kermit power said:
The other obvious issue with using up your bench according to a plan is what happens if you get an injury after you've put your whole bench on through tactical substitutions?
Twice this season, Adam Jones has been subbed on for Quins inside the first 15 minutes because of injuries to other props and played 65+ minutes as a sub. What would've happened if they'd picked up those injuries 15 minutes into the second half after tactical substitutions had already been made? They'd have been stuck at 14 men for the rest of the match.
Worth noting as well, btw, that the second of those two Jones substitution appearances was probably the best rugby performance by a Welshman in years! It's not all that common for a sub to win man of the match at the best of times, but for a distinctly aging prop to do it from the wrong side of the scrum when he wasn't even in the match day squad when he got out of bed that morning is rather impressive!
WRT to your example here - that'd not be a problem. Front row are allowed to go back on.Twice this season, Adam Jones has been subbed on for Quins inside the first 15 minutes because of injuries to other props and played 65+ minutes as a sub. What would've happened if they'd picked up those injuries 15 minutes into the second half after tactical substitutions had already been made? They'd have been stuck at 14 men for the rest of the match.
Worth noting as well, btw, that the second of those two Jones substitution appearances was probably the best rugby performance by a Welshman in years! It's not all that common for a sub to win man of the match at the best of times, but for a distinctly aging prop to do it from the wrong side of the scrum when he wasn't even in the match day squad when he got out of bed that morning is rather impressive!
At the very least, I would assume that if all the substitutions have been used, then the team would have to drop down to 14 players and take someone else off for the previously subbed front row player to come back on?
It seemed an odd sort of match. I haven't seen the stats but there seemed to be a lot of fumbles ball in hand.
The conversion that never was is not the sort of thing you expect to see in an international. Very poor.
As a more or less neutral it lacked fizz.The dominance of the French pack in the scrum wasn't utilised. They should have had more points which seems to suggest that the Scots played well.
I thoroughly enjoyed it.
The conversion that never was is not the sort of thing you expect to see in an international. Very poor.
As a more or less neutral it lacked fizz.The dominance of the French pack in the scrum wasn't utilised. They should have had more points which seems to suggest that the Scots played well.
I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Derek Smith said:
Glad to see Launchbury get MotM. He was at my lad's team, Worthing, as a youth and it was apparent, even to me, that he was a bit of quality. He's just 25. I've followed his career and he seems to get better and better. One of the old guys at Worthing reckoned, when JL was 14/15, that he'd be England captain. Not sure I'd agree as he's a bit taciturn and a captain should give the ref an ear bashing all through the match.
Launchbury is one of those players that gets on with the job and makes it look simple....never makes massive "box office" tackles nor breaks the gain line but does so much work in the tight its ridiculous. But if you watch the game a second time around and just watch him you suddenly see how much work he gets through and how influential he is. Lawes has a great game yesterday too....got through a huge amount of work.
Gatland is certainly spoilt for choice at lock. AWJ being talked of as captain....is he certain enough of a place for that ?
Kermit power said:
There could be some interesting developments in the World rankings over the next couple of weeks...
If Scotland play like they did last week, I could definitely see them beating the French by a fair margin, and in doing so, possibly going ahead of the Saffers.
Further down, the total injustice of Georgia is starkly demonstrated once again. Even though they're in action in the second tier tournament, if I've correctly understood how rankings points are calculated, then they're so far ahead of their competitors in the rankings that I don't think they'll gain anything from winning, and likewise, Italy are so far behind theirs that I don't think they'll drop points if they get beaten!
How long do Georgia have to stay in front of Italy in the rankings - despite everything being rigged against them - before the powers that be decide they've got to act?
I was intrigued by this as welł. One of the reasons for adding Italy to the 5N was to give that countries players experience to bring on their international game and stimulate competition. In Italys case it simply hasn't happened as much much it was hoped.If Scotland play like they did last week, I could definitely see them beating the French by a fair margin, and in doing so, possibly going ahead of the Saffers.
Further down, the total injustice of Georgia is starkly demonstrated once again. Even though they're in action in the second tier tournament, if I've correctly understood how rankings points are calculated, then they're so far ahead of their competitors in the rankings that I don't think they'll gain anything from winning, and likewise, Italy are so far behind theirs that I don't think they'll drop points if they get beaten!
How long do Georgia have to stay in front of Italy in the rankings - despite everything being rigged against them - before the powers that be decide they've got to act?
Georgia are making a compelling case for inclusion but there is a huge but, even outlined by a 6N representative who was interviewed about the issue; how do you go about it?
The two easy methods are 1. Expand the competition to 7N but this will have even harder consequences for Club rugby and a greater wear and tear impact on the players, or 2. Keep it as a 6N but use a relegate and promotion system from the second tier tournament.
I'm not sure if his exact words but regarding the second method the 6N representative nailed it when he basically stated, 'Be careful what you wish for'.
Italy haven't always finished last and Georgia might not either. This could easily see a situation where one of the original four home Nation teams was playing in the second tier competition with Georgia and Italy taking slots in the 6N. I'm quite sure that this has passed across all the minds of the powers that be and representatives of the current 6N teams and proved to be distinctly unpalatable as a potential prospect, so they might well choose to close ranks and protect what they have while Georgia have no real recourse to say anything stronger than a plaintive 'please'.
This last weekends Rugby has proved just how exciting and popular the 6N is as a competition, and whilst it is not the perfect platform for improving northern hemisphere rugby it is still the best we have as proved by the herculean efforts of all the teams to try and win in some very narrow margin games.
E24man said:
Italy haven't always finished last and Georgia might not either. This could easily see a situation where one of the original four home Nation teams was playing in the second tier competition with Georgia and Italy taking slots in the 6N. I'm quite sure that this has passed across all the minds of the powers that be and representatives of the current 6N teams and proved to be distinctly unpalatable as a potential prospect, so they might well choose to close ranks and protect what they have while Georgia have no real recourse to say anything stronger than a plaintive 'please'.
This last weekends Rugby has proved just how exciting and popular the 6N is as a competition, and whilst it is not the perfect platform for improving northern hemisphere rugby it is still the best we have as proved by the herculean efforts of all the teams to try and win in some very narrow margin games.
If there was a promotion/relegation system to/from the Six Nations, only England and Ireland have not finished bottom of the 6N.This last weekends Rugby has proved just how exciting and popular the 6N is as a competition, and whilst it is not the perfect platform for improving northern hemisphere rugby it is still the best we have as proved by the herculean efforts of all the teams to try and win in some very narrow margin games.
As the man said "Be careful what you wish for".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Nations_Champion...
The Mad Monk said:
If there was a promotion/relegation system to/from the Six Nations, only England and Ireland have not finished bottom of the 6N.
As the man said "Be careful what you wish for".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Nations_Champion...
Relegation with a play off could be the answer OR simply a 7 Nations setup instead. As the man said "Be careful what you wish for".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Nations_Champion...
The Mad Monk said:
E24man said:
Italy haven't always finished last and Georgia might not either. This could easily see a situation where one of the original four home Nation teams was playing in the second tier competition with Georgia and Italy taking slots in the 6N. I'm quite sure that this has passed across all the minds of the powers that be and representatives of the current 6N teams and proved to be distinctly unpalatable as a potential prospect, so they might well choose to close ranks and protect what they have while Georgia have no real recourse to say anything stronger than a plaintive 'please'.
This last weekends Rugby has proved just how exciting and popular the 6N is as a competition, and whilst it is not the perfect platform for improving northern hemisphere rugby it is still the best we have as proved by the herculean efforts of all the teams to try and win in some very narrow margin games.
If there was a promotion/relegation system to/from the Six Nations, only England and Ireland have not finished bottom of the 6N.This last weekends Rugby has proved just how exciting and popular the 6N is as a competition, and whilst it is not the perfect platform for improving northern hemisphere rugby it is still the best we have as proved by the herculean efforts of all the teams to try and win in some very narrow margin games.
As the man said "Be careful what you wish for".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Nations_Champion...
Sure, there's a risk that one day, one of the home nations will play badly enough to lose the 6N and also lose to Georgia, Italy, Romania or whomever, but is that actually worse than watching your team risk injury every year in the pointless dead rubber that is the Italy game?
It's bad enough now. Just how embarrassing is it going to become when Parisse eventually retires? How many of the other Italian players could you even name?
The addition of Italy to the Six Nations was well meant, but has added nothing to the competition, and in many ways has detracted from it. How can it be right to persist with a system where Georgia have to much more promise than Italy?
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