2017 Six Nations
Discussion
DocJock said:
In a level 6 match (Scotland) I'd have been penalising them for loitering in front of the ball.
I guess I need to go and brush up on my interpretation of the laws...
That's a good call, I've been brushing up too. It seems to depend on whether that player was taking part in the game.I guess I need to go and brush up on my interpretation of the laws...
Knock your self out
I've just read the whole section of Laws By Number, it certainly cleared up a few of my misconceptions. It's still clear as mud to me as to whether the Italians were actually infringing the laws or spirit of the game.
Europa1 said:
Pugster said:
I was in the South Lower and no one around me had a clue what was going on including me! We were content just to give the ref grief at various points. I didn't realise what was going on until I re-watched it later when I got home.
Amusingly, the Italians around me didn't seem to give a s
t what was going on and were quite content to get as much Guinness down them as humanely possible 
Is it possible to consume Guinness in an inhumane manner? Amusingly, the Italians around me didn't seem to give a s
t what was going on and were quite content to get as much Guinness down them as humanely possible 
OK you got me. I'm calling auto correct on that one...Pugster said:
I was in the South Lower and no one around me had a clue what was going on including me! We were content just to give the ref grief at various points. I didn't realise what was going on until I re-watched it later when I got home.
Amusingly, the Italians around me didn't seem to give a st what was going on and were quite content to get as much Guinness down them as humanely possible
Likewise - even with the odd glimpse of the screen most of us had no idea until checking online at half time. Having watched the game back, England were as sAmusingly, the Italians around me didn't seem to give a s
t what was going on and were quite content to get as much Guinness down them as humanely possible t as they appeared to be in the first half - probably worst I've seen them play. Brown looked jaded, Haskell back to nearly his best. OF made pre match comparisons with JW look insane.TheExcession said:
DocJock said:
In a level 6 match (Scotland) I'd have been penalising them for loitering in front of the ball.
I guess I need to go and brush up on my interpretation of the laws...
That's a good call, I've been brushing up too. It seems to depend on whether that player was taking part in the game.I guess I need to go and brush up on my interpretation of the laws...
Knock your self out
I've just read the whole section of Laws By Number, it certainly cleared up a few of my misconceptions. It's still clear as mud to me as to whether the Italians were actually infringing the laws or spirit of the game.
Parisse, standing near Ford and waving his arms around like some demented baboon was interfering with play.
Definition of offside "In general play a player is offside if the player is in front of a team-mate who is carrying the ball, or in front of a team-mate who last played the ball."
He is then contravening Law 11.1(b)
Obviously Mr Poite disagrees though...
DocJock said:
TheExcession said:
DocJock said:
In a level 6 match (Scotland) I'd have been penalising them for loitering in front of the ball.
I guess I need to go and brush up on my interpretation of the laws...
That's a good call, I've been brushing up too. It seems to depend on whether that player was taking part in the game.I guess I need to go and brush up on my interpretation of the laws...
Knock your self out
I've just read the whole section of Laws By Number, it certainly cleared up a few of my misconceptions. It's still clear as mud to me as to whether the Italians were actually infringing the laws or spirit of the game.
Parisse, standing near Ford and waving his arms around like some demented baboon was interfering with play.
Definition of offside "In general play a player is offside if the player is in front of a team-mate who is carrying the ball, or in front of a team-mate who last played the ball."
He is then contravening Law 11.1(b)
Obviously Mr Poite disagrees though...
DocJock said:
The simple solution is to define making a tackle as playing the ball.
That would be my interpretation if I was still refereeing.
Actually, using that to head off at a tangent, is it a relatively recent thing to ping defending players for a knock on if they knock the ball out of the attacking player's hands in the tackle?That would be my interpretation if I was still refereeing.
Obviously if they just slapped the ball out of the player's hands, then fair enough to call a knock on for it, but there have been a couple of occasions this tournament where the ball has come flying out as part of a full on tackle. It seems really harsh to me to ping the tackler just because the other player can't keep hold of the ball!
The Mad Monk said:
phil_cardiff said:
The laws (not rules) are fine, it was England who were too stupid to adapt to it by using the pick and go. The Italian tactic was an attack coach's wet dream. There were gaps everywhere but England were too daft to exploit them until later in the game.
They are rules. Rugby chooses to call them laws, but they aren't. Nobody ever went to prison for a forward pass!I should be careful who you call stupid and daft. Wales didn't exactly cover themselves with glory. "Shall we kick for touch, or kick for goal". "We will kick for goal", and what happened?
It's totally inexplicable to me why England didn't pick and go. It's rugby 101 if there's weak fringe defence. They could have tried it once to see if it worked but appeared confused by a tactic that isn't totally unknown. Indeed, your defence coach knew all about Australia doing it and said you had a plan for it. Some plan!
Kermit power said:
Actually, using that to head off at a tangent, is it a relatively recent thing to ping defending players for a knock on if they knock the ball out of the attacking player's hands in the tackle?
Obviously if they just slapped the ball out of the player's hands, then fair enough to call a knock on for it, but there have been a couple of occasions this tournament where the ball has come flying out as part of a full on tackle. It seems really harsh to me to ping the tackler just because the other player can't keep hold of the ball!
Dislodged in contact is play on AFAIC.Obviously if they just slapped the ball out of the player's hands, then fair enough to call a knock on for it, but there have been a couple of occasions this tournament where the ball has come flying out as part of a full on tackle. It seems really harsh to me to ping the tackler just because the other player can't keep hold of the ball!
I did give up reffing years ago though.
DocJock said:
The simple solution is to define making a tackle as playing the ball.
That would be my interpretation if I was still refereeing.
I'm almost ready to agree with you there, but the ball should be in open play as much as possible, and players should be onside all of the time.That would be my interpretation if I was still refereeing.
It's a hard one to call!
I only caught the second half of the Italy game ( too busy watching Bristol beat Barf)( Not a sentence one types very often), but this seems a lot of fuss about very little.
Everyone is now wise to the 'tactic' and knows what to do ( Pick and drive a la Launchbury).
I doubt we will see it again.
Everyone is now wise to the 'tactic' and knows what to do ( Pick and drive a la Launchbury).
I doubt we will see it again.
I'm off to the England V Scotland game with some mates, think its going to be a great atmosphere but am seriously worried about the Scots. England are starting every game so badly at the moment...regardless of the tactics the Italians employed England didn't respond well nor did they execute the basics well.
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