What fishing rod?
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Telescopic rods tend to have a serious flaw - in order to telescope, all the segments tend to be the same length. This means all the runners are evenly spaced, which is not ideal. If you look at any one, two, or more piece conventional rod, you will notice the runner spacing descreases as you approach the tip, which gives a more even loading and better casting.
I personally find a two-piece rod of about 7' length a good compromise. It's long and soft enough to throw a float or soft plastic lure, and still stiff enough at the base to handle a decent fish.
Be aware that rods designed for eggbeater reels are set up differently to rods for fixed pin or other reel types. The guide closest to the reel tends to stand off the rod a fair way to match the reel, and is relatively large to guide the line spiralling off the reel when you cast. If all the runners are smallish, and the one nearest the reel is close to the rod, it is probably designed for an overhead (drum) reel.
I would go for an eggbeater reel myself, as the simplest to use. A baitrunner type eggbeater is nice, but more expensive.
Most of my reels are overhead (drum) types. They are harder to cast, but I mainly bottom fish or troll, from a boat where casting is less important. My pier / bank fishing reels are mostly eggbeaters.
I personally find a two-piece rod of about 7' length a good compromise. It's long and soft enough to throw a float or soft plastic lure, and still stiff enough at the base to handle a decent fish.
Be aware that rods designed for eggbeater reels are set up differently to rods for fixed pin or other reel types. The guide closest to the reel tends to stand off the rod a fair way to match the reel, and is relatively large to guide the line spiralling off the reel when you cast. If all the runners are smallish, and the one nearest the reel is close to the rod, it is probably designed for an overhead (drum) reel.
I would go for an eggbeater reel myself, as the simplest to use. A baitrunner type eggbeater is nice, but more expensive.
Most of my reels are overhead (drum) types. They are harder to cast, but I mainly bottom fish or troll, from a boat where casting is less important. My pier / bank fishing reels are mostly eggbeaters.
If you need to buy off Amazon for c.£40, I'd go for something like this...
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Oakwood-Power-Match-Feede...
Which gives you the option to float or ledger/feeder.
And match it with this...
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Shimano-Hyperloop-4000RB-...
Then load the reel with 6lb Diawa Sensor line (good all rounder).
This will cover most basic needs until you decide to upgrade! Assume your kid has all the end tackle?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Oakwood-Power-Match-Feede...
Which gives you the option to float or ledger/feeder.
And match it with this...
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Shimano-Hyperloop-4000RB-...
Then load the reel with 6lb Diawa Sensor line (good all rounder).
This will cover most basic needs until you decide to upgrade! Assume your kid has all the end tackle?
That Oakwood rod would do. It's a stepped up model, so it might be a bit stiff for small hooks and light lines, but ought to handle small carp, tench, bream, chub, etc, and it's a twin tip model for legering. Ideally, for general light float fishing, I would suggest something a bit lighter, but then so many venues these days are stuffed with small to medium sized carp that a stepped up rod might make sense.
otolith said:
That Oakwood rod would do. It's a stepped up model, so it might be a bit stiff for small hooks and light lines, but ought to handle small carp, tench, bream, chub, etc, and it's a twin tip model for legering. Ideally, for general light float fishing, I would suggest something a bit lighter, but then so many venues these days are stuffed with small to medium sized carp that a stepped up rod might make sense.
I've had double figure Carp on a Drennan Ultralight, a pin, 2lb bottom and a size 20 hook whilst roach fishing. But takes an age to land them, and the swim is ruined afterwards. As long as the rod above has a reasonably soft tip it should be ok for silvers. AW111 said:
Telescopic rods tend to have a serious flaw - in order to telescope, all the segments tend to be the same length. This means all the runners are evenly spaced, which is not ideal. If you look at any one, two, or more piece conventional rod, you will notice the runner spacing descreases as you approach the tip, which gives a more even loading and better casting.
I personally find a two-piece rod of about 7' length a good compromise. It's long and soft enough to throw a float or soft plastic lure, and still stiff enough at the base to handle a decent fish.
Be aware that rods designed for eggbeater reels are set up differently to rods for fixed pin or other reel types. The guide closest to the reel tends to stand off the rod a fair way to match the reel, and is relatively large to guide the line spiralling off the reel when you cast. If all the runners are smallish, and the one nearest the reel is close to the rod, it is probably designed for an overhead (drum) reel.
I would go for an eggbeater reel myself, as the simplest to use. A baitrunner type eggbeater is nice, but more expensive.
Most of my reels are overhead (drum) types. They are harder to cast, but I mainly bottom fish or troll, from a boat where casting is less important. My pier / bank fishing reels are mostly eggbeaters.
You sound like a sea fisherman? OP said he will be fishing rivers and lakes. I've never seen an overhead reel used for coarse fishing? I personally find a two-piece rod of about 7' length a good compromise. It's long and soft enough to throw a float or soft plastic lure, and still stiff enough at the base to handle a decent fish.
Be aware that rods designed for eggbeater reels are set up differently to rods for fixed pin or other reel types. The guide closest to the reel tends to stand off the rod a fair way to match the reel, and is relatively large to guide the line spiralling off the reel when you cast. If all the runners are smallish, and the one nearest the reel is close to the rod, it is probably designed for an overhead (drum) reel.
I would go for an eggbeater reel myself, as the simplest to use. A baitrunner type eggbeater is nice, but more expensive.
Most of my reels are overhead (drum) types. They are harder to cast, but I mainly bottom fish or troll, from a boat where casting is less important. My pier / bank fishing reels are mostly eggbeaters.
Overhead (multipliers) are generally used for lure/dead bait fishing in freshwater.
Here is an example:-
https://www.anglingactive.co.uk/abu-garcia-maxtoro...
Here is an example:-
https://www.anglingactive.co.uk/abu-garcia-maxtoro...
Chris Stott said:
I've had double figure Carp on a Drennan Ultralight, a pin, 2lb bottom and a size 20 hook whilst roach fishing. But takes an age to land them, and the swim is ruined afterwards. As long as the rod above has a reasonably soft tip it should be ok for silvers.
I have landed low doubles on a 12oz bottom and #22, but that was in a large snag free reservoir and a lot of line was taken!I also have a Matchpro Ultralight - cracking rod, lovely for trotting for grayling and silvers or light waggler work, but get a decent chub or tench and you'd better hope there are no snags to bolt into!
My worry about that rod above is that it won't be very forgiving for a beginner using small hooks and light bottoms, but then he's probably not going to be fishing anywhere too hard and can maybe get away with fishing a bit heavier. I grew up fishing Northern canals, so...
otolith said:
I have landed low doubles on a 12oz bottom and #22, but that was in a large snag free reservoir and a lot of line was taken!
I also have a Matchpro Ultralight - cracking rod, lovely for trotting for grayling and silvers or light waggler work, but get a decent chub or tench and you'd better hope there are no snags to bolt into!
My worry about that rod above is that it won't be very forgiving for a beginner using small hooks and light bottoms, but then he's probably not going to be fishing anywhere too hard and can maybe get away with fishing a bit heavier. I grew up fishing Northern canals, so...
I have a few Drennans, but the ultra is the only rod I'd never sell. Use mine primarily for Cristian's and tench with an okuma pin.I also have a Matchpro Ultralight - cracking rod, lovely for trotting for grayling and silvers or light waggler work, but get a decent chub or tench and you'd better hope there are no snags to bolt into!
My worry about that rod above is that it won't be very forgiving for a beginner using small hooks and light bottoms, but then he's probably not going to be fishing anywhere too hard and can maybe get away with fishing a bit heavier. I grew up fishing Northern canals, so...
I also have a 'specimen float rod'', which is meant for carp/bigger tench, but is also fine with silvers as the tip is super soft. Just need to be careful on the strike!
We had a cracking day on the Thames a couple of years ago, fishing from a friend of a friend's boat in the weir pools. We had my Ultralight, my mate's acolyte and the boat owner's Normark. We swapped rods, and I was very impressed with the Acolyte - it felt as light as my rod, with a lot more backbone. Like all of these high performance light weight blanks, though, they are thin walled and very vulnerable to impact damage (modern fly rods are terrible for this). Another mate has been getting some good natured ribbing this week about his new four piece Harrison GTi. I mean, it's not a new rod, he's been singing its praises for a few years, but it's only this week that it's become a four piece...
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