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What has it got to do with the FA? It is a Premier League matter, not an FA matter.
The full details of the investigation are here:
www.premierleague.com/public/downl
Reading it only compounds the belief that West Ham were well and truly let off the hook and most of the reasoning given for not deducting points is a complete load of crap!
The full details of the investigation are here:
www.premierleague.com/public/downl
Reading it only compounds the belief that West Ham were well and truly let off the hook and most of the reasoning given for not deducting points is a complete load of crap!
FIFA are on the case, be interesting to see if they can over rule the FA.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footb
I have to admit I don't think any of the organisations that supposedly run football have the balls to actually do much about rule breaking.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footb
I have to admit I don't think any of the organisations that supposedly run football have the balls to actually do much about rule breaking.
Edited by Fittster on Tuesday 15th May 12:48
Fittster said:
FIFA are on the case, be interesting to see if they can over rule the FA.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footb
I have to admit I don't think any of the organisations that supposedly run football have the balls to actually do much about rule breaking.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footb
I have to admit I don't think any of the organisations that supposedly run football have the balls to actually do much about rule breaking.
Edited by Fittster on Tuesday 15th May 12:48
not the best news i must say
wish it could be put to bed now!
can re be relegated after the season?
Premier League chairman Sir Dave Richards and chief executive Richard Scudamore have sent a six-page letter to all 20 club chairmen. These are the key paragraphs in the letter:
# "At no point were West Ham United charged with playing an ineligible player - both (Carlos) Tevez and (Javier) Mascherano were registered on August 31. All the required documentation was received by the Premier League and the usual confirmations received and sent. Registration is definitive as to the status of the player. At no time has Mr Tevez's registration been revoked or terminated and at all times he has been eligible to play for West Ham."
# "The Independent Commission was...convened strictly in accordance with the rules as agreed by all member clubs. Its chair, Simon Bourne-Arton QC, acted very promptly and properly, laying out directions for the hearing in the shortest possible timescale."
# "The Independent Commission carried its work out fully in accordance with our rules, having adopted practices entirely consistent with formal judicial proceedings. In reaching their decision the Independent Commission clearly considered the matter very carefully and did not deliver an irrational or extreme judgement and delivered the sanction that only they (having considered the matter fully and in light of copious evidence) deemed to be proportionate and appropriate."
# "The media, and of course those aggrieved by the decision, have analysed the seven reasons given by the Independent Commission for not deducting points and concentrated on those that to them seem the least convincing. However, there are others that have a less convenient truth, particularly the one that says 'had the club in time made disclosure of the third party contracts to the FAPL, then, in all probability, contracts could have been entered into which would not have offended the rules'."
# "The League could not function if other clubs could effectively intervene in an attempt to overturn decisions not to their liking."
# "Given the complexities around this, we would ask you to step back from the detail and consider the matter in more general terms:
1. Tevez has been properly registered to play for West Ham United since 31 August 2006. The Board, under our Rules, is charged with the authority to determine this.
2. He continues to be registered with West Ham United.
3. This is a case without precedent and certainly cannot be compared with Clubs who have played unregistered players or players ineligible through suspension.
4. "On 26 April West Ham United admitted to breaches of Rules B13 and U18 - for which they have been fined in accordance with our Rules.
5. "The offending third party agreement has been terminated by West Ham United and therefore they are not continuing to be in breach."
# "At no point were West Ham United charged with playing an ineligible player - both (Carlos) Tevez and (Javier) Mascherano were registered on August 31. All the required documentation was received by the Premier League and the usual confirmations received and sent. Registration is definitive as to the status of the player. At no time has Mr Tevez's registration been revoked or terminated and at all times he has been eligible to play for West Ham."
# "The Independent Commission was...convened strictly in accordance with the rules as agreed by all member clubs. Its chair, Simon Bourne-Arton QC, acted very promptly and properly, laying out directions for the hearing in the shortest possible timescale."
# "The Independent Commission carried its work out fully in accordance with our rules, having adopted practices entirely consistent with formal judicial proceedings. In reaching their decision the Independent Commission clearly considered the matter very carefully and did not deliver an irrational or extreme judgement and delivered the sanction that only they (having considered the matter fully and in light of copious evidence) deemed to be proportionate and appropriate."
# "The media, and of course those aggrieved by the decision, have analysed the seven reasons given by the Independent Commission for not deducting points and concentrated on those that to them seem the least convincing. However, there are others that have a less convenient truth, particularly the one that says 'had the club in time made disclosure of the third party contracts to the FAPL, then, in all probability, contracts could have been entered into which would not have offended the rules'."
# "The League could not function if other clubs could effectively intervene in an attempt to overturn decisions not to their liking."
# "Given the complexities around this, we would ask you to step back from the detail and consider the matter in more general terms:
1. Tevez has been properly registered to play for West Ham United since 31 August 2006. The Board, under our Rules, is charged with the authority to determine this.
2. He continues to be registered with West Ham United.
3. This is a case without precedent and certainly cannot be compared with Clubs who have played unregistered players or players ineligible through suspension.
4. "On 26 April West Ham United admitted to breaches of Rules B13 and U18 - for which they have been fined in accordance with our Rules.
5. "The offending third party agreement has been terminated by West Ham United and therefore they are not continuing to be in breach."
gorvid said:
They aren't trying to sweep it under the rug then....
So Premier League chairman Sir Dave Richards, chief executive Richard Scudamore, Simon Bourne-Arton QC and the independant commission are what? Fools? Liars? Desperate West Ham fans?
They say
1. Tevez has been properly registered to play for West Ham United since 31 August 2006. The Board, under our Rules, is charged with the authority to determine this.
and
"The Independent Commission carried its work out fully in accordance with our rules, having adopted practices entirely consistent with formal judicial proceedings. In reaching their decision the Independent Commission clearly considered the matter very carefully and did not deliver an irrational or extreme judgement and delivered the sanction that only they (having considered the matter fully and in light of copious evidence) deemed to be proportionate and appropriate."
But you know better? Where do you get your information from?
gorvid said:
David - do you believe everything you read, or just that which you want to be true ?
Are lawyers still beginning a legal battle David ?
So where does your information come from? If you have some direct line to the clubs perhaps you would like to share your information with us?
Until such time as you produce something new I will believe:
"The Independent Commission carried its work out fully in accordance with our rules, having adopted practices entirely consistent with formal judicial proceedings. In reaching their decision the Independent Commission clearly considered the matter very carefully and did not deliver an irrational or extreme judgement and delivered the sanction that only they (having considered the matter fully and in light of copious evidence) deemed to be proportionate and appropriate."
gorvid said:
Can you not answer my questions ?
I'll answer yours and then maybe you will answer mine.
David - do you believe everything you read, or just that which you want to be true ?
No I don't. Neither do I believe that people such as Premier League chairman Sir Dave Richards, chief executive Richard Scudamore, Simon Bourne-Arton QC will tell barefaced lies to help any team.
Are lawyers still beginning a legal battle David ?
Just because they are starting a legal battle doesn't mean they will win.
``If you make threats, you have to follow them through, but there's very little chance of success'' for Sheffield United's action, Stephen Hornsby, a partner in the sports department of London law firm Michael Simkins LLP, said in a telephone interview. ``You can't overturn what happens on the field of play.''
Now for mine:
So Premier League chairman Sir Dave Richards, chief executive Richard Scudamore, Simon Bourne-Arton QC and the independant commission are what? Fools? Liars? Desperate West Ham fans?
and
So where does your information come from? If you have some direct line to the clubs perhaps you would like to share your information with us?
gorvid said:
You haven't answered the second question.
What second question? I thought the second question was:
Are lawyers still beginning a legal battle David ?
And I answered:
Just because they are starting a legal battle doesn't mean they will win.
``If you make threats, you have to follow them through, but there's very little chance of success'' for Sheffield United's action, Stephen Hornsby, a partner in the sports department of London law firm Michael Simkins LLP, said in a telephone interview. ``You can't overturn what happens on the field of play.''
I suppose a more accurate answer would be 'Yes they are, but that doesn't mean they have a case or any chance of winning."
Edited by david_s on Wednesday 16th May 22:53
david_s said:
Yes they are, but that doesn't mean they have case or any chance of winning."
Ah....there it is.
I'll answer your two:
david_s said:
So Premier League chairman Sir Dave Richards, chief executive Richard Scudamore, Simon Bourne-Arton QC and the independant commission are what? Fools? Liars? Desperate West Ham fans?
I have no idea, I suspect they are very unlikely at this stage to admit there has been errors.
david_s said:
So where does your information come from? If you have some direct line to the clubs perhaps you would like to share your information with us?
I'm sorry, but I can't discuss where my information comes from. Consider it my opinion.
So you have an 'opinion' based on evidence you cannot disclose, whereas the premier league appointed an independent commission who, having considered the matter fully and in light of copious evidence, decided that a fine was appropriate punishment. You honestly think that your 'opinion' outweighs the commissions findings?
Edited by david_s on Wednesday 16th May 23:37
Edited by david_s on Wednesday 16th May 23:37
FFS sheff are a bunch of whinging old men. give it up.. the gang of 4 is now a lonley gang of one relegated managerless team
the Prem have delt there blow to west ham. end off
If a goal was scored in a match but the ref doesnt declare it, It isnt a goal, no one can chage that outcome. no matter how hard you piss on the ref, the PL.
if i was Sheff. id want to sue the t
t who brougth down the wigan player which caused the penalty. he was the little er who caused you to go down. and the fact you hadnt scored enough to win games.
If West Ham did get docked points i think by now we would be getting on with it. prem or not. What is injustice is the fact we have been fined. and now whingign sheff are doign everything in the power to shit stir
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the Prem have delt there blow to west ham. end off
If a goal was scored in a match but the ref doesnt declare it, It isnt a goal, no one can chage that outcome. no matter how hard you piss on the ref, the PL.
if i was Sheff. id want to sue the t
t who brougth down the wigan player which caused the penalty. he was the little er who caused you to go down. and the fact you hadnt scored enough to win games. If West Ham did get docked points i think by now we would be getting on with it. prem or not. What is injustice is the fact we have been fined. and now whingign sheff are doign everything in the power to shit stir
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