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E38Ross said:
what's wrong with your foot? do you know the diagnosis from the osteo?
My right ITB, left gastrocs and other left sides muscles lower down are all very tight, and it looks like this impacts my gait... my left foot is twisted outwards slightly and I land on the outside of the foot.It's still early days, and so far a three pronged attack seemed to have been doing this trick:
1. I've been particularly sensible with my footwear for a few months (both running and casual)
2. Regular massage from the osteo has been helping.
3. I've more recently got orthotics that provide additional support, including a corrective wedge on my left foot (the one with the problems) - as I tend land on the outside of the foot all the time.
The net result is a very tender spot on the inside of my ankle/bottom of my foot. It's not on my heel but just in front of it. It can often be too painful to run, although walking actually causes me more problems than running. The prognosis is an inflamed tendon but not 100% sure at this stage. I have no traditional heel pain - PF or heel spur type symptoms.
Things had been going well, so when I go back next week I'll see what she says.
It may be the (relatively recent) orthotics or as I suspect it could be coupled to my improved fitness & training pace. Last summer I was doing most of my running at 6:30-ish pace when things fell apart. I reduced distances and frequency and as a result lost fitness and was quite happy "jogging" at 7:30, typically for no more than 10m, and mainly 10k-ish distances.
I've recently (last couple of months) stepped training up again and the increase in distances doesn't seem to have been a problem, but in the last few weeks the fitness (or more likely confidence) has returned and I'm now hitting much better times on my quick runs - probably faster than last summer on the short stuff, but not there on the long runs yet.
My guess is that either the stress of this, or a change in gait when moving faster is part of the problem.
dave_s13 said:
Just thinking out loud but my 110kg frame must carry a degree of forward momentum when travelling at 6-7mph. On a treadmill you probably aren't carrying that kinetic energy with you into the next gait cycle so the effort required is greater.
17st 4lb at 6/7 mph is good going. How long do you run for at that weight?Uptheiron, on phone and in clinic so can't write much but look into tibialis posterior, that often causes medial foot pain, depending where you're getting the pain and whether you pronate a bit too much. shed loads of things it could be and can't say without doing full history and exam obviously.
Sounds like your similarly paced to me, my 10m pb is a shade under 63mins, so 7:30 os a brisk jog
though it's all relative. I also hate the term jog/jogging!!
Sounds like your similarly paced to me, my 10m pb is a shade under 63mins, so 7:30 os a brisk jog
though it's all relative. I also hate the term jog/jogging!! Halb said:
dave_s13 said:
Just thinking out loud but my 110kg frame must carry a degree of forward momentum when travelling at 6-7mph. On a treadmill you probably aren't carrying that kinetic energy with you into the next gait cycle so the effort required is greater.
17st 4lb at 6/7 mph is good going. How long do you run for at that weight?9m 8s per mile.
This is according to SportsTracker app on my phone, which I'm sure has got it in for me as it feels faster, the GPS based little bstard.
I'm trying desperately to get my pace below 9 minute miles for the same run and hoping to crack sub 50minutes for a 10k I'm running in approx 4 weeks.
I'm also doing leeds 1/2 and currently up to 9.5 miles for my long runs and average 10minute miles for that. Feel like I should be going much faster.
If I lost 2 stone, I'd be flying along
so, who trained tonight then?
7.5 miles for me, first 4 at a steady 7:40, then the next 3 miles at 5:50/mile, then a gentle jog the last 1/2 mile.
on another "recovery nutrition" note; i've found the God of all healthy post-training smoothies that isn't expensive like rego recovery (sure, it doesn't have quite as many minerals and vitamins but it's still blood good IMO!!)
might sound odd but get some porridge oats, put into a blender and blend them until "dusty"; pour in milk, add some fruit (today i used a banana) and blend and mix up....put in the fridge and take asap after training.
sugars from the milk, protein from the milk and oats, starch from the oats, essential fats from the oats, various minerals and vitamins from whatever fruit(s) you use....awesome
and pretty filling too.
steady 5 mile run tomorrow and then back to hard training thursday.
Dave - you'll get under 9min/mile. as you say, if you're slightly on the heavy side try incorporating a good diet to gradually lose some weight....don't "yoyo diet". once the pounds start falling your pace will get quicker and quicker.
7.5 miles for me, first 4 at a steady 7:40, then the next 3 miles at 5:50/mile, then a gentle jog the last 1/2 mile.
on another "recovery nutrition" note; i've found the God of all healthy post-training smoothies that isn't expensive like rego recovery (sure, it doesn't have quite as many minerals and vitamins but it's still blood good IMO!!)
might sound odd but get some porridge oats, put into a blender and blend them until "dusty"; pour in milk, add some fruit (today i used a banana) and blend and mix up....put in the fridge and take asap after training.
sugars from the milk, protein from the milk and oats, starch from the oats, essential fats from the oats, various minerals and vitamins from whatever fruit(s) you use....awesome
and pretty filling too.steady 5 mile run tomorrow and then back to hard training thursday.
Dave - you'll get under 9min/mile. as you say, if you're slightly on the heavy side try incorporating a good diet to gradually lose some weight....don't "yoyo diet". once the pounds start falling your pace will get quicker and quicker.
E38Ross said:
so, who trained tonight then?
For once I did, just 5.5 miles in a very easy 45 mins with the wife, but nice to be back running. I also took past in a 5k for cancer at the weekend just north of Barcelona in Sabadell. I say 5k, because it was 4.7k at most, no timing apart from my watch which said 18:13 and the road course was actually on 4 different surfaces and only 300m was road..... but thats the way of some Spanish races. The goody bag was incredible.. a t-shirt, 1.5L of chicken stock!, a full sized washing liquid (not powder) and various other goodies.Trying to get back into running after 1x per week for months. A lack of motivation since running a fairly decent marathon in April last year and then being injured
I went for a run at lunchtime yesterday, did about 3.5 miles at just over 7 min/mile pace. Its only the third run I've done since deciding to give it a go this year and I hope to get two to three runs in per week, two of this length at lunchtimes during the week and then a longer, maybe 6-7 mile run at the weekend.
I'm a swimmer mainly, I usually train around four times a week for that, but am finding it difficult to get to the pool enough due to other commitments, so will be cutting down to three sessions and hopefully a few runs can take up the slack.
I'm the sort of person who needs something to aim for, so am thinking of entering a 10k in May (anyone done Wallingford 10k?) as a target, also have the time of my sister to beat, she did 41.30 or thereabouts at the Bristol 10k last year and I'll never live it down if I can't beat her!
I'm a swimmer mainly, I usually train around four times a week for that, but am finding it difficult to get to the pool enough due to other commitments, so will be cutting down to three sessions and hopefully a few runs can take up the slack.
I'm the sort of person who needs something to aim for, so am thinking of entering a 10k in May (anyone done Wallingford 10k?) as a target, also have the time of my sister to beat, she did 41.30 or thereabouts at the Bristol 10k last year and I'll never live it down if I can't beat her!
6k for me last night, only managed it in just over 40 mins which I was a bit disappointed with but then again it was 5 minutes quicker than the week befores attempt and I managed to run the whole lot this time.
Doing the 3 peaks at the end of April so trying to get my fitness up ready for that, what sort of training would be recommended, unfortunately I seem to be in the flattest part of the country!!
Doing the 3 peaks at the end of April so trying to get my fitness up ready for that, what sort of training would be recommended, unfortunately I seem to be in the flattest part of the country!!
ewenm said:
Sounding good guys. I'm hoping to get out for a cheeky 30mins/4.5-5miles after putting my daughter to bed tonight.
Well, I failed 
I did run to work this morning though (4.5 miles, 33 mins) and might run home tonight too.It really is time to write a proper training plan fitted in around the family's needs and STICK TO IT!
ewenm said:
ewenm said:
Sounding good guys. I'm hoping to get out for a cheeky 30mins/4.5-5miles after putting my daughter to bed tonight.
Well, I failed I did run to work this morning though (4.5 miles, 33 mins) and might run home tonight too.It really is time to write a proper training plan fitted in around the family's needs and STICK TO IT!
I quite like the posting of training as it makes me feel I should do a bit/lot more....
I´m progressing to 4x a week from next week, then hopefully back to the 6 or 7 in 2 months when my body is used to it.
Got 6 miles with the wife tonight before 10 miles at the weekend. Half tempted to enter Barcelona half next weekend to see if I can still churn out half reasonable times without any training.
I´m progressing to 4x a week from next week, then hopefully back to the 6 or 7 in 2 months when my body is used to it.
Got 6 miles with the wife tonight before 10 miles at the weekend. Half tempted to enter Barcelona half next weekend to see if I can still churn out half reasonable times without any training.
Disaster!
5.5 miles into a final 8 miler before a half-marathon on Saturday, and I've torn a calf muscle. Felt a slight tear and slowed down, and then felt more pain. Hobbled home and iced it, but now really hacked-off.
I can barely walk at the moment so hope is fading for a speedy recovery. Not only is it really disappointing, but it will make a real hole in my training for the London Marathon in April. Any tips for the recovery?
And for the brucey bonus, it's my sodding birthday today too. Not happy.
5.5 miles into a final 8 miler before a half-marathon on Saturday, and I've torn a calf muscle. Felt a slight tear and slowed down, and then felt more pain. Hobbled home and iced it, but now really hacked-off.
I can barely walk at the moment so hope is fading for a speedy recovery. Not only is it really disappointing, but it will make a real hole in my training for the London Marathon in April. Any tips for the recovery?
And for the brucey bonus, it's my sodding birthday today too. Not happy.
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