The Running Thread

[jimbop1]

ExV8 said:

Worst run ever today, ran through a midge/ fly storm in a country lane, horrid.

Overheated a little and ended up walking to recover too so all in all poor.

I hate them. I'm always covered in sweat so get them stuck all over my face.

[Fittster]

E65Ross said:

On the subject of diet, how would you all describe yours? Do you eat healthily all the time, or have the odd treat, or do you say "I run so I can eat the fatty stuff!"?

The only reason I run is so I can eat rubbish, really don't give a toss about PBs as long as my waste isn't getting to out of control. Hmmm, cold, leftover pizza for lunch.

[Cybertronian]

Scored a 10k season's best at a low-key local race. Coulda shoulda pushed a little harder to make up 20 seconds for a new 10k PB but oh well.

[cerb4.5lee]

ocrx8 said:

PB in Brentwood 10k today - 34:36.

That is an awesome time

I ran 10 miles this morning which is the longest distance I have ever run it took 1:33 at 9.19/mile but it should be good prep for the half marathon I am doing in September as that will be my first marathon.

The time it takes you to run the 10k is incredible I went by the 10k mark today at 55 mins!

[E65Ross]

cerb4.5lee said:

ocrx8 said:

PB in Brentwood 10k today - 34:36.

That is an awesome time

I ran 10 miles this morning which is the longest distance I have ever run it took 1:33 at 9.19/mile but it should be good prep for the half marathon I am doing in September as that will be my first marathon.

The time it takes you to run the 10k is incredible I went by the 10k mark today at 55 mins!

Good effort Lee.

Don't get too hung up on others' times..... That said, it's 16seconds quicker than my PB

[Locke]

How's it going chaps? I've been struggling with bad shin pain recently (I'm guessing shin splints) so have had 3 weeks off an I plan to return to running again in the next few days. This is the longest I've ever had off running since I started about 2 an a half years ago an it's been a real struggle. Any tips for my return to running? I plan to build up my mileage again gradually start at around 20pw (I was doing about 35-40pw) an try run on soft ground more.

I think it's also time I got some new road shoes, could anyone recommend some decent cushioned neutral shoes that don't have a huge heal on them? (I've recently had some NB 1080 V2s that seemed ok but I'm willing to try something new. Under £100 would be nice.

Cheers.

[cerb4.5lee]

E65Ross said:

cerb4.5lee said:

ocrx8 said:

PB in Brentwood 10k today - 34:36.

That is an awesome time

I ran 10 miles this morning which is the longest distance I have ever run it took 1:33 at 9.19/mile but it should be good prep for the half marathon I am doing in September as that will be my first marathon.

The time it takes you to run the 10k is incredible I went by the 10k mark today at 55 mins!

Good effort Lee.

Don't get too hung up on others' times..... That said, it's 16seconds quicker than my PB

Thanks very much Ross, you made me chuckle over the PB! you lot are like flying machines its awesome!

[E65Ross]

Locke said:

How's it going chaps? I've been struggling with bad shin pain recently (I'm guessing shin splints) so have had 3 weeks off an I plan to return to running again in the next few days. This is the longest I've ever had off running since I started about 2 an a half years ago an it's been a real struggle. Any tips for my return to running? I plan to build up my mileage again gradually start at around 20pw (I was doing about 35-40pw) an try run on soft ground more.

I think it's also time I got some new road shoes, could anyone recommend some decent cushioned neutral shoes that don't have a huge heal on them? (I've recently had some NB 1080 V2s that seemed ok but I'm willing to try something new. Under £100 would be nice.

Cheers.

Describe the symptoms you were getting for me.....no running (so general walking), during running (initial mile or so, once warmed up, towards end of longer/harder run) and after (straight after, a few hours after, next day after running etc). Depending on those could be shin splits, exertional anterior compartment syndrome and a few other bits.

Depending on some of those factors it'd slightly change what I'd suggest but as a rule of thumb go out for what seems like a stupidly short run......1, maybe 2 miles tops.

If it doesn't hurt don't keep going because you might find you slightly aggravate the problem, better to do a small amount and see than to do lots. If you feel fine just very gradually increase the mileage by perhaps 1/2 mile to 1 mile each run and monitor your symptoms (or hopefully lack of).

Shoes - Very subjective. If you are quite a light runner there isn't any real need for massive amounts of cushioning if your biomechanics are generally OK. I'm a pretty big Asics fan, almost all of my general training and racing shoes are Asics so take a look at them but best is to get a gait analysis.

[Locke]

E65Ross said:

Describe the symptoms you were getting

Thanks Ross,

It's just in one leg. I've been trying to run through the pain for about 2 months but in the last few weeks before I stopped it just got progressively worse to the point where I had to get a taxi home from one of my runs. It hurt more when running fast downhill on hard ground. It's like a dull ache in the front/inner part of my leg along the shin around the middle (calf muscle feels fine) an it doesn't feel like usual muscle pain more like a tooth ache sensation if you know what I mean. The pain would at the beginning usally fade slightly after the first mile when I was warmed up but towards the end before I decided to stop it was hurting through out. I'd really pay for it the day after a run with down some fast downhills. Sorry it's quite hard to describe I guess.

[E65Ross]

Locke said:

Thanks Ross,

It's just in one leg. I've been trying to run through the pain for about 2 months but in the last few weeks before I stopped it just got progressively worse to the point where I had to get a taxi home from one of my runs. It hurt more when running fast downhill on hard ground. It's like a dull ache in the front/inner part of my leg along the shin around the middle (calf muscle feels fine) an it doesn't feel like usual muscle pain more like a tooth ache sensation if you know what I mean. The pain would at the beginning usally fade slightly after the first mile when I was warmed up but towards the end before I decided to stop it was hurting through out. I'd really pay for it the day after a run with down some fast downhills. Sorry it's quite hard to describe I guess.

shin splints is a generic term which encompasses several types of problems, most tend to be muscular but you also can get osseous (bony) shin splints too, fascial (compartment syndrome types) and periosteal (inflammation of part of the shin/tibia).......without an examination it's not possible to say exactly which (and some co-exist of course, especially in more chronic and severe cases).

Certainly doesn't sound like a compartment syndrome which is good. You claim pain more on the inside of the lower leg.....so more likely to be problem with a muscle called tibialis posterior (rather than the more common tibialis anterior which typically gives pain at the front-to-outside of the shin). If it is tibialis posterior then that suggests faulty biomechanics.....you either do pronate a little too much or when you foot strike you land from outside and roll in too quickly (force = mass x distance so increased stresses over time). Most likely the former so look at gait analysis and check to see if you need some medial arch aupport. You can also look at tibialis posterior exercises/stretches as well as stretching surrounding musculature (calves (including soleus....can be isolated by bending the knee, google will help you), tibialis anterior is hard to stretch but can be done. Also check your plantar fascia as this will likely be tender, rolling it with your weight on a rolling pin is ideal.

I haven't got time for a more in-depth reply right now (got a Drs appointment to sort my own st out as my tongue has turned yellow/green with this stomach thing ) but if you have any questions just reply here and I'll get back to you later, or PM me and I might be able to help out more without clogging this thread up. Pity you're so far away otherwise I'd take a look!

Ross.

edit - check the tread-wear pattern on your old running shoes, compare 1 side to the other and what's the wear like on the inside near the fore-foot area?

[ocrx8]

cerb4.5lee said:

That is an awesome time

I ran 10 miles this morning which is the longest distance I have ever run it took 1:33 at 9.19/mile but it should be good prep for the half marathon I am doing in September as that will be my first marathon.

The time it takes you to run the 10k is incredible I went by the 10k mark today at 55 mins!

Good to see you on PH Lee, good taste in cars as well as sport! Enjoy the running... it sure is addictive.

[cerb4.5lee]

ocrx8 said:

cerb4.5lee said:

That is an awesome time

I ran 10 miles this morning which is the longest distance I have ever run it took 1:33 at 9.19/mile but it should be good prep for the half marathon I am doing in September as that will be my first marathon.

The time it takes you to run the 10k is incredible I went by the 10k mark today at 55 mins!

Good to see you on PH Lee, good taste in cars as well as sport! Enjoy the running... it sure is addictive.

Thanks!

[Locke]

Thanks for that reply Ross, yea it's a shame you're so far away as I'd love for someone who understands like you too take a look. I better start streching an rolling more when I return like you say. I went for a 2 mile run last night really steady (7:30min/mi) an it felt a lot better than it did 3 weeks ago but the pain is still there ever so slightly. My legs also feel very strange after only cycling for the past 3 weeks (which is something I don't normally do). Won't return to track until next week an will try get some proper running shoes for once rather than seeing what they have in Sports Direct Hope your stomach sorts itself out.

[E65Ross]

Been a good last week for me I guess in terms of getting back into it that bit more.

Sunday was a little over 7.5 miles, Monday was over 4 miles with a semi-tempo 4th mile in 6:25 or so just to get the legs turning over a little without killing myself, Tuesday was an easy 4.5, rested yesterday, easy 4.1 this morning and planning on 6 tomorrow and 8-8.5 Sunday.

No speed until I've been doing 30+ miles/week for a few weeks, save I might add in the odd tempo mile or something here and there......just want to ensure the general base is there first. I've also started ensuring I'm adding more hills into my runs now to build some strength before the speed stuff comes along.

Secondly.....when running at my peak fitness I always weighed around 8st8-9lbs or so and back in Feb once I got injured and then in April especially when this stomach problem started I started eating absurd amounts of chocolate/cakes/biscuits/ice cream etc and felt awful. Genuinely thought I'd put on near a stone or so.....been eating REALLY well the last 3 weeks and weighed myself for the 1st time in around 3 months and came up at 8stone 12lbs, I was expecting MUCH worse. I can lose that 3-4lbs in another 2 weeks without any issues.

Thirdly....I went back to the Drs Monday who seemed a bit more concerned about my issue and has changed medication slightly and done a few things differently and I wasn't sick Tuesday, I was sick yesterday but I wasn't sick this morning....so HOPEFULLY things are turning for the better. To get 2 days of not being sick so close together has been unheard of for quite some time now.

So overall, I'm feeling quite good right now. Onwards and upwards

[markh1973]

E65Ross said:

Been a good last week for me I guess in terms of getting back into it that bit more.

Sunday was a little over 7.5 miles, Monday was over 4 miles with a semi-tempo 4th mile in 6:25 or so just to get the legs turning over a little without killing myself, Tuesday was an easy 4.5, rested yesterday, easy 4.1 this morning and planning on 6 tomorrow and 8-8.5 Sunday.

No speed until I've been doing 30+ miles/week for a few weeks, save I might add in the odd tempo mile or something here and there......just want to ensure the general base is there first. I've also started ensuring I'm adding more hills into my runs now to build some strength before the speed stuff comes along.

Secondly.....when running at my peak fitness I always weighed around 8st8-9lbs or so and back in Feb once I got injured and then in April especially when this stomach problem started I started eating absurd amounts of chocolate/cakes/biscuits/ice cream etc and felt awful. Genuinely thought I'd put on near a stone or so.....been eating REALLY well the last 3 weeks and weighed myself for the 1st time in around 3 months and came up at 8stone 12lbs, I was expecting MUCH worse. I can lose that 3-4lbs in another 2 weeks without any issues.

Thirdly....I went back to the Drs Monday who seemed a bit more concerned about my issue and has changed medication slightly and done a few things differently and I wasn't sick Tuesday, I was sick yesterday but I wasn't sick this morning....so HOPEFULLY things are turning for the better. To get 2 days of not being sick so close together has been unheard of for quite some time now.

So overall, I'm feeling quite good right now. Onwards and upwards

Good to hear that you have had a couple of sick free days - small steps it may be but at least they are steps in the right direction.

I'm also gratified to know that you aren't running at the speeds you do carrying the same amount of weight as I do - not that I'm particularly heavy but at 11 stone 11 lbs I am carrying 3 stone more than you!

I ran the JP Morgan Corporate Challenge - 5.6km through Battersea Park - last night. Assuming I wasn't going to be able to get a clear run I did 8 miles cross country on Tuesday night which almost backfired when I did get a clear run. Managed to finish in 25:13 which wss really pleasing given I didn't go with any intention to run a decent time.

[E65Ross]

I'm probably a bit shorter than you though, I'm only 5ft 6

I spoke too soon, I was sick this evening which is VERY unusual, I can't remember being sick in the evening for a long time. It was just before my dinner on an empty stomach (I'm never sick after eating).

My view is that something seems to be changing, hopefully for the good.

[tenohfive]

I'm part way through a slow recovery from shin splints caused by hip tightness affecting my gait, it's great being able to get back out on the road again but it's really hard forcing myself to take my time. Right now I'm doing one run a week (5K) with daily hip stretching in between. I'm gagging to go further and get back on my 10K cross country route, and to go running more often but I'm trying to be sensible and give it a few more weeks before I start upping the distance - then increase the frequency after that.

Does that sound sensible? A few hundred quids worth of unexpected expenses means a return to the physio isn't on the cards right now.

[EdJ]

markh1973 said:

I ran the JP Morgan Corporate Challenge - 5.6km through Battersea Park - last night. Assuming I wasn't going to be able to get a clear run I did 8 miles cross country on Tuesday night which almost backfired when I did get a clear run. Managed to finish in 25:13 which wss really pleasing given I didn't go with any intention to run a decent time.

I also ran the Corporate Challenge last night. I was aiming for a 21-22 time, allowing for the slightly hilly course, not to mention all the tight and narrow corners. In the end I just made my target with a time of 21.58, but I must admit that I found it hard work. My best parkrun (5km) time is 18:33 so I can't help thinking I could have done a lot better.

[markh1973]

EdJ said:

markh1973 said:

I ran the JP Morgan Corporate Challenge - 5.6km through Battersea Park - last night. Assuming I wasn't going to be able to get a clear run I did 8 miles cross country on Tuesday night which almost backfired when I did get a clear run. Managed to finish in 25:13 which wss really pleasing given I didn't go with any intention to run a decent time.

I also ran the Corporate Challenge last night. I was aiming for a 21-22 time, allowing for the slightly hilly course, not to mention all the tight and narrow corners. In the end I just made my target with a time of 21.58, but I must admit that I found it hard work. My best parkrun (5km) time is 18:33 so I can't help thinking I could have done a lot better.

My best parkrun time is 21:28 but then the parkrun requires me to climb a total of 49m whereas my Garmin told me that I had climbed the grand total of 0m during the JPMCC. Some of the corners were a little tight and at the end I was having to weave my way through a few people.

When I entered I totally messed up my time estimate but it actually did me a favour as it meant that I started right at the front of the green group and had a clear run for the first 4k.

It was amusing to see the number of people that had clearly massively overestimated their ability to run the race in the time they predicted - walking within the first half.

[EdJ]

markh1973 said:

EdJ said:

markh1973 said:

I ran the JP Morgan Corporate Challenge - 5.6km through Battersea Park - last night. Assuming I wasn't going to be able to get a clear run I did 8 miles cross country on Tuesday night which almost backfired when I did get a clear run. Managed to finish in 25:13 which wss really pleasing given I didn't go with any intention to run a decent time.

I also ran the Corporate Challenge last night. I was aiming for a 21-22 time, allowing for the slightly hilly course, not to mention all the tight and narrow corners. In the end I just made my target with a time of 21.58, but I must admit that I found it hard work. My best parkrun (5km) time is 18:33 so I can't help thinking I could have done a lot better.

My best parkrun time is 21:28 but then the parkrun requires me to climb a total of 49m whereas my Garmin told me that I had climbed the grand total of 0m during the JPMCC. Some of the corners were a little tight and at the end I was having to weave my way through a few people.

When I entered I totally messed up my time estimate but it actually did me a favour as it meant that I started right at the front of the green group and had a clear run for the first 4k.

It was amusing to see the number of people that had clearly massively overestimated their ability to run the race in the time they predicted - walking within the first half.

Interestingly, my GPS watch told me I had climbed 55m - it certainly felt to me like there were some hills on the course. I started near the front, but at the back of the "blues" I was overtaking loads of people who looked like they would struggle to make 30 minutes, nevermind 20.