The Running Thread
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RizzoTheRat said:
Clearly you are a lightweight, I'm 14.5 stone and my Garmin reckon about 100cal per km. 
About 150 cal in a bottle of Badger Golden Champion.
Although thinking about I'm half a stone lighter than I was when I setup my Garmin so that may drop how much I burn a bit.
I'm knocking around 14.5 stone and my adidas micoach app thing is only reckoning on 90cal per km! I'm 6'5 so not sure if that has anything to do with it! Not sure how many cals Heineken has in it, but I through a fair few on the weekend usually About 150 cal in a bottle of Badger Golden Champion.Although thinking about I'm half a stone lighter than I was when I setup my Garmin so that may drop how much I burn a bit.
trooperiziz said:
RizzoTheRat said:
What a bunch of a
holes, I'm with you in that one of the best things I've found since starting running is how supportive other much faster runners are.
I've got nowhere near the experience of many on here but hopefully this is relevant as I was where you are not that long ago.
The biggest thing for me at the stage your at was just getting out there and doing some miles. The big boost for me was when I first reached the point where I could run 5k without stopping, this was actually slower than I could do intervals but from there the pace picked up quickly. I also started to increase the distance a bit, which makes the 5k seem easier. Now I try to run 3 times a week, 5k parkrun and then a 5k and one slightly longer (6 or 7k) in the week. I also entered a 10k series and my times fell from 67 minutes on the first one to 61 two months later which I'm really pleased about, again knowing I can do the longer distance gives me a lot more confidence on the shorter distance.
For me the limiting factor tends to be mental rather than physical, ie I give up to easily when it hurts. The knowledge I can do the longer distances really helps, but I really can't stress enough the importance (for me, YMMV) of running with other people. I'll push myself a lot harder running with others, races help with that, but I've also made loads of friends through Parkrun that I run with, and joined a local running club that a lot of them belong to which has got me in doing a few other races too.
Sounds very similar! holes, I'm with you in that one of the best things I've found since starting running is how supportive other much faster runners are.I've got nowhere near the experience of many on here but hopefully this is relevant as I was where you are not that long ago.
The biggest thing for me at the stage your at was just getting out there and doing some miles. The big boost for me was when I first reached the point where I could run 5k without stopping, this was actually slower than I could do intervals but from there the pace picked up quickly. I also started to increase the distance a bit, which makes the 5k seem easier. Now I try to run 3 times a week, 5k parkrun and then a 5k and one slightly longer (6 or 7k) in the week. I also entered a 10k series and my times fell from 67 minutes on the first one to 61 two months later which I'm really pleased about, again knowing I can do the longer distance gives me a lot more confidence on the shorter distance.
For me the limiting factor tends to be mental rather than physical, ie I give up to easily when it hurts. The knowledge I can do the longer distances really helps, but I really can't stress enough the importance (for me, YMMV) of running with other people. I'll push myself a lot harder running with others, races help with that, but I've also made loads of friends through Parkrun that I run with, and joined a local running club that a lot of them belong to which has got me in doing a few other races too.
I'm not stopping on the 5k run for any physical reason, it's purely mental, so hopefully I can break that barrier in the next couple of weeks.
Essentially, I've led a pretty sedentary life for the past 20 years, so I just don't know how to deal with feeling of prolonged exercise
Anyroad, I'm in a running club and we all get along well. It can be a bit lonely for the quick runners because on some of the runs we never see anyone until the end. On loops like we did last night I like the banter as we go around. Half of us were running clockwise and half anticlockwise so we were always bumping in to each other. I was trying to meet them sooner every time while at the same time encouraging them not to let me even though I ended up running twice the distance of a lot of people.
Some of the slower runners will say thing like "I'm really slow" but my reply is that they are probably not going to win the Olympics, but are miles faster than everyone that is sat at home watching Eastenders. The they will tell me how easy I make it look and how much easier it is for me. I try to explain that a lot of sessions are about how much effort the individual puts in. It doesn't matter that I am faster than you, what matters is that we both put maximum effort in, that way we both improve.
Some sessions we do we get split into 3 groups, slow, medium and fast. The slow runners go off first and their aim is not to get caught by the medium group and then the fast runners go and try to catch up everyone, racing, banter, laughter, it's all good. At the social events runner prowess takes a back step to knowledge of trivia and cheesy music, who can drink the fastest pint and doing stupid things while under considerable alcoholic influence.
E65Ross said:
To specifically run a 10k with the aim of trying to get a good time? I'd say once every 6-8 weeks, not 3x/week.
How many times per week can you train? 37mins is good going, my pb is a little under 35 and I hope to get back to that soon if my health issues resolve.
A tough session might be something like 1.5 miles at lactate threshold pace (e.g. if you are doing 43mins for 10k you're looking at around 7-7:10/mile, 3mins rest, 3x1mile at 10k pace off 60secs recovery, 3mins rest, 3x1k at 5k pace off 60secs rest, 3mins rest, 2-4x200m off 30secs at 1500m pace.
My coach comes up with some hard sessions!!
Nothing major for me tomorrow, did some light LT/speed today so getting up early before work for a steady 5 miles or so.
Heading to North Wales this weekend so my Sunday long run is going to be very, erm, hilly!!!
It's my sisters birthday tomorrow so had to run tonight as I wouldn't have time tomorrow, so no rest.How many times per week can you train? 37mins is good going, my pb is a little under 35 and I hope to get back to that soon if my health issues resolve.
A tough session might be something like 1.5 miles at lactate threshold pace (e.g. if you are doing 43mins for 10k you're looking at around 7-7:10/mile, 3mins rest, 3x1mile at 10k pace off 60secs recovery, 3mins rest, 3x1k at 5k pace off 60secs rest, 3mins rest, 2-4x200m off 30secs at 1500m pace.
My coach comes up with some hard sessions!!
Nothing major for me tomorrow, did some light LT/speed today so getting up early before work for a steady 5 miles or so.
Heading to North Wales this weekend so my Sunday long run is going to be very, erm, hilly!!!
Ok, so I forgot the training you had mentioned but did my own, made up one. Training is a lot harder than just running!
Did 2k in 6mins48secs, 3 mins rest and then did 3x 1k in 3mins20secs, 3mins27secs and then 3mins37secs. I was blowing out my arse at this point and there was nothing left in the tank. Did a couple of 100m sprints but they were poor, I couldn't use my app timer for all of this so there may be a few secs discrepancy to what I thought I did.
Will have a day off now and aim to do the same again on Thursday and Saturday and then go for a longer run on Saturday. I might try and find a running club near me as I would like to do this with other people and not just on my own.
Edit - need to add 10 secs to each time, maths isn't my strong point! Not as good as I'd hoped for.
Edited by BrabusMog on Tuesday 12th August 18:45
Before you said add 10 seconds.... Those times were pretty close to what I was running when I ran a sub 17 5k. Additional 10 secs on each you should certainly be sub 18 mins at the moment. Get some good structured training in and that'll soon come down.
I was training reasonably well and ran a 17:35 after lots of training and then began to flat line, moved to a decent group and within 4 months I ran under 17 and was still improving rapidly.... Until a few things cropped up!
On another note, gastroscopy tomorrow, not looking forward to it. First one wasn't exactly pleasant. I'm just going to get up very early and run around 5 miles and have a massive bowl of porridge, need to finish eating by 8am as I need to arrive with an empty stomach.
I was training reasonably well and ran a 17:35 after lots of training and then began to flat line, moved to a decent group and within 4 months I ran under 17 and was still improving rapidly.... Until a few things cropped up!
On another note, gastroscopy tomorrow, not looking forward to it. First one wasn't exactly pleasant. I'm just going to get up very early and run around 5 miles and have a massive bowl of porridge, need to finish eating by 8am as I need to arrive with an empty stomach.
Cheers, appreciate it lepetit!
I couldn't do a solid 5k on those times, apart from the initial 2k, after each interval I was completely drained and the recovery seconds melted away far too quickly.
I used to run for a club when I was at school but I am severely ill disciplined and get bored easily, but I really am committed to spend the next year getting myself as fit as I possibly can. Need some new trainers though, my feet have taken a bashing these past few days and both my trainers have a hole by the big toe now!
Edit - best of luck tomorrow.
I couldn't do a solid 5k on those times, apart from the initial 2k, after each interval I was completely drained and the recovery seconds melted away far too quickly.
I used to run for a club when I was at school but I am severely ill disciplined and get bored easily, but I really am committed to spend the next year getting myself as fit as I possibly can. Need some new trainers though, my feet have taken a bashing these past few days and both my trainers have a hole by the big toe now!
Edit - best of luck tomorrow.
Edited by BrabusMog on Tuesday 12th August 22:13
First time posting in the running section (I think) and some advice would be helpful please.
I signed up for a marathon on 24th august. I haven't been following a training plan but have been regularly doing 25 - 30 miles per week plus some cycling. The problem is that I haven't done any long runs: the maximum distance has been 17 miles (have done 3 17 milers in the past couple of weeks). This lack of distance has been primarily because of time constraints on training rather than feeling knackered, although the pace has tailed off slightly in miles 15+.
To put it in context I recently ran a 17.50 5km and my 17 milers have been at a pace of 7.05 to 7min 15 secs per mile.
For the marathon to make up for lack of distance in my legs should I
A) drop the pace back considerably (to 7.30 or 7.45 per mile)?
B) stick to my training pace 7.15/mile and hope for the best in last 8- 9 miles
C) not do the Mara as the last 10 miles will be horrible..
The disadvantage (to my mind) with A is that I could get to 20 miles and still have nothing left in my legs, albeit in a slower time than option B. At least option B gives me the chance of walking bits of the last 10 miles and still getting in under 3hrs 30 (I hope)
Advice and tips much appreciated!
I signed up for a marathon on 24th august. I haven't been following a training plan but have been regularly doing 25 - 30 miles per week plus some cycling. The problem is that I haven't done any long runs: the maximum distance has been 17 miles (have done 3 17 milers in the past couple of weeks). This lack of distance has been primarily because of time constraints on training rather than feeling knackered, although the pace has tailed off slightly in miles 15+.
To put it in context I recently ran a 17.50 5km and my 17 milers have been at a pace of 7.05 to 7min 15 secs per mile.
For the marathon to make up for lack of distance in my legs should I
A) drop the pace back considerably (to 7.30 or 7.45 per mile)?
B) stick to my training pace 7.15/mile and hope for the best in last 8- 9 miles
C) not do the Mara as the last 10 miles will be horrible..
The disadvantage (to my mind) with A is that I could get to 20 miles and still have nothing left in my legs, albeit in a slower time than option B. At least option B gives me the chance of walking bits of the last 10 miles and still getting in under 3hrs 30 (I hope)
Advice and tips much appreciated!
As I appear to be extremely prone to calf muscle problems in both legs and all over the calf area, I am considering using calf compression sleeves for running and/or after running.
Any thoughts/experiences/good ones to use?
How does the sizing work?
ps. I have increased my post-run stretching, do a daily tennis ball/roller routine and attempt to specifically warm-up the calfs before running, although I am intending to further increase the calf warm-up time. I am also intending to do more calf lowers/raises, but not sure how helpful these will be for the dynamic repetitions of a long/fast run.
I am also wondering whether running first thing in the morning is contributing to the calf problems.
Any thoughts/experiences/good ones to use?
How does the sizing work?
ps. I have increased my post-run stretching, do a daily tennis ball/roller routine and attempt to specifically warm-up the calfs before running, although I am intending to further increase the calf warm-up time. I am also intending to do more calf lowers/raises, but not sure how helpful these will be for the dynamic repetitions of a long/fast run.
I am also wondering whether running first thing in the morning is contributing to the calf problems.
Edited by MC Bodge on Wednesday 13th August 09:03
nofuse22 said:
First time posting in the running section (I think) and some advice would be helpful please.
I signed up for a marathon on 24th august. I haven't been following a training plan but have been regularly doing 25 - 30 miles per week plus some cycling. The problem is that I haven't done any long runs: the maximum distance has been 17 miles (have done 3 17 milers in the past couple of weeks). This lack of distance has been primarily because of time constraints on training rather than feeling knackered, although the pace has tailed off slightly in miles 15+.
To put it in context I recently ran a 17.50 5km and my 17 milers have been at a pace of 7.05 to 7min 15 secs per mile.
For the marathon to make up for lack of distance in my legs should I
A) drop the pace back considerably (to 7.30 or 7.45 per mile)?
B) stick to my training pace 7.15/mile and hope for the best in last 8- 9 miles
C) not do the Mara as the last 10 miles will be horrible..
The disadvantage (to my mind) with A is that I could get to 20 miles and still have nothing left in my legs, albeit in a slower time than option B. At least option B gives me the chance of walking bits of the last 10 miles and still getting in under 3hrs 30 (I hope)
Advice and tips much appreciated!
Just my tuppence based on two marathons I've done previously (so by no means authority).I signed up for a marathon on 24th august. I haven't been following a training plan but have been regularly doing 25 - 30 miles per week plus some cycling. The problem is that I haven't done any long runs: the maximum distance has been 17 miles (have done 3 17 milers in the past couple of weeks). This lack of distance has been primarily because of time constraints on training rather than feeling knackered, although the pace has tailed off slightly in miles 15+.
To put it in context I recently ran a 17.50 5km and my 17 milers have been at a pace of 7.05 to 7min 15 secs per mile.
For the marathon to make up for lack of distance in my legs should I
A) drop the pace back considerably (to 7.30 or 7.45 per mile)?
B) stick to my training pace 7.15/mile and hope for the best in last 8- 9 miles
C) not do the Mara as the last 10 miles will be horrible..
The disadvantage (to my mind) with A is that I could get to 20 miles and still have nothing left in my legs, albeit in a slower time than option B. At least option B gives me the chance of walking bits of the last 10 miles and still getting in under 3hrs 30 (I hope)
Advice and tips much appreciated!
Plan A would be the best bet given the unknown nature of the last 9 miles for you. I found it incredibly motivating to be overtaking people in the last 6 miles and whilst I was slowing down, I was slowing down dramatically less than those around me. If you feel great come 18 - 20 miles, you can then of course lift the pace up to your training pace for the remainder of the marathon. If you've not done any/much target pace work, you probably won't be able to run much faster than your training pace, especially in the closing stages of a marathon. People always say the real halfway point of a marathon starts at miles 18-20 and they're absolutely right because those last 6-8 miles can be hell. A friend of mine ran the first half of a marathon at a ridiculously easy pace for him and then ramped things up from halfway to finish very strong in what was a very enjoyable marathon for him. He probably could have gone faster with an even paced strategy, but given he hadn't trained as well as he'd wanted to, it was the safest strategy for him.
Plan C depends on what else you have planned for the rest of the year. I was wrecked for about a month after this year's London marathon and did nothing but slower easy runs. If you've not got anything critical afterwards and are happy to grit your teeth for what could be a potentially painful experience, then I'd go for it, if only to benchmark how far your body can go as an indicator for the next time.
Edited by Cybertronian on Wednesday 13th August 10:20
markh1973 said:
Hope everything goes ok with your gastroscopy today Ross and that it helps them work out what is wrong.
Thanks mate, appreciate it. I did 5.25 miles this morning, was a glorious morning with clear blue skies and a perfect temperature for running, about 3 miles off-road on a local path which runs along the river Itchen....stunning.Annoyingly with the gastroscopy.....I had one last year (October, I think) and they did find the cause of the problem, it's just they don't know what to do about the bloody thing
Having said that it does seem to be improving. I was sick 3 times last week (Tuesday, Saturday and Sunday), and I haven't been sick since Sunday....I still don't quite feel my normal self but certainly seems to be improving.However....it totally went away for 5-6 months and then came back end of April so still needs investigating/sorting even if it does clear up, no reason why it won't come back again.
Cheers
E65Ross said:
Recent evidence suggests not a great deal of benefit in compression socks before exercise, inconclusive evidence for during exercise but positive evidence for after exercise.
Interesting. As there may be a positive it could be worth getting some. As it stands, I'm wondering whether or not it will be wise to do the 10K this weekend.
There is a definite sore spot to touch, but the tightness appears to have become intermittent. It was fine on a short walk (and even a few steps of running)and gentle stretch at lunch after a bit of poking with my thumb, for example.
Edited by MC Bodge on Wednesday 13th August 13:05
trooperiziz said:
Can any of you who know what you are doing, give me a small bit of advice.
If you have been following the thread, you would know I have only very recently started running properly, and have just done a sub 35m 5k. My next goal is sub 30m.
Considering i'm so new to running, i'm assuming that the specific training plans out there aren't really that useful, as I still haven't actually managed to do a 5k in one go without a small walk at some point
My plan is to just keep doing the parkruns until I can run them each week in one go and it starts to feel less of a challenge to just complete them, and then actually start looking at training properly with some interval work, threshold runs etc... I'll also do a couple of runs round the block during the week too, so it will be 3 runs a week currently, including the parkrun. My run round the block is moderately hilly 3k which I can do without stopping in 21m at the moment, so I plan to try and push the pace up for that run as much as possible, and just try and finish the weekly 5k without worrying too much about the speed of that for now.
Does that sound reasonable? Am I right in thinking I just need to get some basic miles under my feet to start with due to how new this all is, regardless of any real training schedule?
One additional thing, I would just like to say that the tone of this thread is really appreciated, regardless of how slow people are, it's good to see advice and support being handed out in equal measure. I did a bit of googling before asking the question above, and saw threads like these http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=... which is just horrendous to read!
Your idea sounds reasonable to me if its what your comfortable with.If you have been following the thread, you would know I have only very recently started running properly, and have just done a sub 35m 5k. My next goal is sub 30m.
Considering i'm so new to running, i'm assuming that the specific training plans out there aren't really that useful, as I still haven't actually managed to do a 5k in one go without a small walk at some point
My plan is to just keep doing the parkruns until I can run them each week in one go and it starts to feel less of a challenge to just complete them, and then actually start looking at training properly with some interval work, threshold runs etc... I'll also do a couple of runs round the block during the week too, so it will be 3 runs a week currently, including the parkrun. My run round the block is moderately hilly 3k which I can do without stopping in 21m at the moment, so I plan to try and push the pace up for that run as much as possible, and just try and finish the weekly 5k without worrying too much about the speed of that for now.
Does that sound reasonable? Am I right in thinking I just need to get some basic miles under my feet to start with due to how new this all is, regardless of any real training schedule?
One additional thing, I would just like to say that the tone of this thread is really appreciated, regardless of how slow people are, it's good to see advice and support being handed out in equal measure. I did a bit of googling before asking the question above, and saw threads like these http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=... which is just horrendous to read!
My story-
After completing couch to 5k i was doing 5km in 39minutes (and pissed off at myself) but i just kept at it, 3 runs a week every week, after a month or so it went down to 36minutes and i got a bit stuck at that for a month or so, someone at work (a runner for many years) suggested increasing my distance to reduce my time so for the last month ive been doing 5km twice a week and 10km on a sunday (i enjoy the 10km) and my time has gone down to just under 32minutes.
My point is just keep at it, I personally dont think you need to do anything to reduce your time, just keep at it get fitter and your running will get better (it wont get easier, but you will get faster) i think the 10km was a mental wake up call, i found the 10km easy at the same pace as my 5km (my fastest 10km is 66minutes), so just keep at it, keep the faith in yourself and maybe, just maybe try run a tiny bit quicker
grumbledoak said:
Calves, especially.Post run. Pre run. Three times a day some days!
I'm still having calf problems, but I'm now suspecting weak hams and glutes causing calf overloading.
Well... that was painful!
Went out to do my 3k loop that I ran non-stop a week ago. Didn't feel too uncomfortable starting off, but I just couldn't catch my breath, and by halfway I had to stop, my chest felt extremely tight and I just couldn't breath enough. Tried a couple more bits of running over the next 1k and couldn't do more than a few steps at a time, so had to walk it. I then managed to run the last 500m, and it felt looser.
No idea what that was about! My heart rate stayed well in my comfort zone the whole way round (until I had to take my chest strap off as that wasn't helping me to breath).
I'm not ill, it's the same chest strap i've always worn without a problem, my last few runs have been over twice the distance I managed to actually run today, I don't have asthma
What the fk was that all about!
Went out to do my 3k loop that I ran non-stop a week ago. Didn't feel too uncomfortable starting off, but I just couldn't catch my breath, and by halfway I had to stop, my chest felt extremely tight and I just couldn't breath enough. Tried a couple more bits of running over the next 1k and couldn't do more than a few steps at a time, so had to walk it. I then managed to run the last 500m, and it felt looser.
No idea what that was about! My heart rate stayed well in my comfort zone the whole way round (until I had to take my chest strap off as that wasn't helping me to breath).
I'm not ill, it's the same chest strap i've always worn without a problem, my last few runs have been over twice the distance I managed to actually run today, I don't have asthma
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