The Running Thread

[MC Bodge]

lepetitoeuf said:

MC Bodge said:

I'm intending to take part in a local one on Saturday, having wasted my paid entry to a 10k the other week through injury it makes sense to attempt a free, shorter event.

I've started thinking along the same lines. I have such an awful record with injury and competitions, that I'm going to do my local parkrun once a month, and when I've got a few months under my belt, I'll do a paid for 10K. Month no.2 is Saturday, so fingers crossed

Indeed.

I've have previously entered a 10+ mile Trail/light fell race at the end of the month, though, so I'm really hoping that I'll still be ok for that...

[Nezquick]

E65Ross said:

esuuv said:

The latter - persistence is what makes you better.

Some suggestions that might help, add some structure - if you can run for 15 minutes and then need a minute break to run for another 15 at the moment - stretch it out - next time push for 16 / 17 and then take the break - you'll find over time it gets easier and you know what you are doing - a random break when you feel tired doesn't really help you feel the progression. Also if you're not already then mix it up a bit, do different routes, different way round the same route, different distances - you don't want to get bored of it - or to learn one course too much.

28 minutes also isn't super slow - have you tried running at a slightly slower controlled pace - should help with keeping going for longer.

Also - Parkrun, if there is one near you then go and do it on a Saturday morning - free, timed 5k, super inclusive, super addictive......

This. If you can do 2x15mins in the same "session" with a short break in between, you can run at that pace for more than 15mins non-stop. Just work through it.

Thanks for the tips both of you. I find that I can keep going for around 12/13 mins before I have to rest but then after resting, I can only go for 5/6 mins and then 4/5 mins....you see my problem.

I think it's just a question of stamina and getting enough air into my lungs to keep going. I'll persist for the next few weeks and see how I get on. I'll try monitoring my runs too from now on and work on progression.

Cheers!

[MC Bodge]

Nezquick said:

Thanks for the tips both of you. I find that I can keep going for around 12/13 mins before I have to rest but then after resting, I can only go for 5/6 mins and then 4/5 mins....you see my problem.

I think it's just a question of stamina and getting enough air into my lungs to keep going. I'll persist for the next few weeks and see how I get on. I'll try monitoring my runs too from now on and work on progression.

Cheers!

Run up hills/ramps/bridges and do some slower, longer runs.

You're not slow, so concentrate on improving endurance.

[MC Bodge]

Hmmm, I now appear to have some inflammation and tenderness in the soft tissue below the sides of my left patella. It may or may not be related to improving my ankle mobility.

I did have long term patella tendon pain (and thickening) in my right knee a while ago. It is thankfully not causing me problems now, but this feels different.

Rest or run with it?

[MC Bodge]

Having iced it and taken ibuprofen, the slight inflammation has subsided and there is now a distinct point of soreness below the patella.

Good sense tells me to rest the knee. Non-stress-inducing cycling will have to do.

No Parkrun for me after all, then.


How long will recovery take? I suspect that I am going to waste yet another race entry in 3 weeks time



Should I wear a patella tendon strap and run with it when I do resume?

Running: Historically, something I do for a couple of weeks between injuries

Edited by MC Bodge on Friday 5th September 08:48

[Lotus Notes]

MC Bodge said:

Should I wear a patella tendon strap and run with it when I do resume?

You're doing the right things (cycling etc), you could strap it during the recovery, but don't run with the strapping..why the rush??

[MC Bodge]

Lotus Notes said:

..why the rush??

...because for the first time in years I had been improving and getting back towards the sort of running performance I could manage 15 years ago and I am seemingly plagued with minor injury.

Every few running weeks for the past 2 years I suffer calf problems and, with physio and leg & core exercising, had appeared to be getting over these.

Having spent the past 2 years building up to it, I had been hoping to take part in some races and have paid to enter them.

[Lotus Notes]

MC, I've been going through similar (my body has aged...lots); But your injury could easily become chronic and that's not good.

Do you mobilise your patella?

[MC Bodge]

I self massage my patella and tendon on my previously chronically injured right knee.

I occasionally move my left patella about, but I have never had any problems with my left tendon.

I remember that I did bash the side of my left patella when tripping over a rock on a Welsh hill last week, which might have contributed...

[E65Ross]

lepetitoeuf said:

This morning's parkrun was a PB .

I'm feeling quite pleased as the time I beat was from 5 years ago, when I was 31, so it's good to see the times dropping as my age increases .

Also, the last year has been the most consistent period of running training I've ever done, with only a few months out through injury, so fingers crossed that it continues this way

Big congrats!!!! Consistency is the key in my experience.

I'm ashamed to admit it but I was a bit shagged still after my session Thursday (I even had DOMS for the first time in ages!) and did an easy 4.1M yesterday and today was:

2M warm up
3.2miles "LT" at 6:20/mile
3mins rest
4x200m off 30secs rest

I just felt pretty rubbish so was glad to just get it done. Steady 11-12M planned for tomorrow.

[Cos18]

Sounds like good training ^

I'm out of sync at the moment. Started working in London a few weeks ago and my training has been thrown off kilter. I had my final triathlon of the season last sunday so I'm going to focus soley on running for the next few weeks and get my 5k pb down to under 20 mins. It's going to be 'nice' doing some fast km intervals again, I've not done them properly since about March and I miss them in an odd way!

[E65Ross]

Cos18 said:

Sounds like good training ^

I'm out of sync at the moment. Started working in London a few weeks ago and my training has been thrown off kilter. I had my final triathlon of the season last sunday so I'm going to focus soley on running for the next few weeks and get my 5k pb down to under 20 mins. It's going to be 'nice' doing some fast km intervals again, I've not done them properly since about March and I miss them in an odd way!

I found the types of sessions our group did (2 speed sessions per week....1 is LT based, another is more interval based) and we VERY rarely just did a session like "6x1km at 5k pace"; it was more along the lines of 2x2km at 10k pace off 90secs, 3mins rest, 3x1k at 5k pace off 60secs rest, 3mins rest, 4x200m at 1500m pace off 30secs rest so the speed increases as the session goes on - brought me on leaps and bounds.

I sent my old schedule to cybertronian.....not heard from him in a while, wonder how he's doing? maybe my sessions scared him off

[Cybertronian]

lepetitoeuf said:

This morning's parkrun was a PB .

I'm feeling quite pleased as the time I beat was from 5 years ago, when I was 31, so it's good to see the times dropping as my age increases .

Also, the last year has been the most consistent period of running training I've ever done, with only a few months out through injury, so fingers crossed that it continues this way

Well done, chap! Any more to come in the next few weeks do you think?

[Cybertronian]

E65Ross said:

I found the types of sessions our group did (2 speed sessions per week....1 is LT based, another is more interval based) and we VERY rarely just did a session like "6x1km at 5k pace"; it was more along the lines of 2x2km at 10k pace off 90secs, 3mins rest, 3x1k at 5k pace off 60secs rest, 3mins rest, 4x200m at 1500m pace off 30secs rest so the speed increases as the session goes on - brought me on leaps and bounds.

I sent my old schedule to cybertronian.....not heard from him in a while, wonder how he's doing? maybe my sessions scared him off

LOL, nope still alive and kicking! I took the schedule and cherry picked a couple of the good sessions, modifying them to fit my needs. The one that I've been working on for a few weeks is 3x 2 miles at target half marathon pace (3:15 mins rest). Tough as nails and I can only ever do 2 reps before I'm shagged.

Have the Cardiff 10k in the morning, which is one of my favourite races, but due to the NATO presence in the area, the organisers have had to change the previously flat and fast route into a rather hilly out and back affair. If nothing else, it'll serve as a good faster paced training run towards the autumn sub-90 half marathon goal.

[MattS3]

Anyone doing the great north tomorrow?
I'm all set, travelled 220 miles this afternoon, now in hotel with a 30 mile trip in the morning.

Not really done anything over 12 miles in long runs for the past 6 weeks, (weekly mileage still at 30 ish per week though) but did a 19 miler 6 weeks ago, so don't think I'll have problems getting round, don't think I'll beat my 1h 33m time from earlier this year though.

Did go sub 41mins in a half road, half trail 10k around 2 weeks ago, so do have a bit of speed in me.

Should be a great atmosphere none the less.

Edited by MattS3 on Saturday 6th September 22:19

[ED209]

MattS3 said:

Anyone doing the great north tomorrow?
I'm all set, travelled 220 miles this afternoon, now in hotel with a 30 mile trip in the morning.

Not really done anything over 12 miles in long runs for the past 6 weeks, (weekly mileage still at 30 ish per week though) but did a 19 miler 6 weeks ago, so don't think I'll have problems getting round, don't think I'll beat my 1h 33m time from earlier this year though.

Did go sub 41mins in a half road, half trail 10k around 2 weeks ago, so do have a bit of speed in me.

Should be a great atmosphere none the less.

Edited by MattS3 on Saturday 6th September 22:19

The wife is doing it as are about 80% of y running club. I refuse to do it as its too big, too corporate and too expensive.

She was trying to break 1.40 but its always a challenge in the heavy runner traffic.

[MC Bodge]

ED209 said:

The wife is doing it as are about 80% of y running club. I refuse to do it as its too big, too corporate and too expensive.

She was trying to break 1.40 but its always a challenge in the heavy runner traffic.

I did it back in 1997. I started at the signposted "expected 1:30" place and spent the first few miles overtaking people in teddy bear suits and the rest of it passing other runners.

[ED209]

MC Bodge said:

ED209 said:

The wife is doing it as are about 80% of y running club. I refuse to do it as its too big, too corporate and too expensive.

She was trying to break 1.40 but its always a challenge in the heavy runner traffic.

I did it back in 1997. I started at the signposted "expected 1:30" place and spent the first few miles overtaking people in teddy bear suits and the rest of it passing other runners.

I did it twice in about 2000 ish but to be honest theres far nicer half marathons to do up here anyway, for about a third of the price of the great north run.

The Mrs did a 1.41 half in March on the Northunmberland half when it was blowing an absolute hooligan so she should be there or there a bouts, she has a black and yellow number putting her just behind Mo Farah so that should help with traffic.

Its amazing she is trying to break 1.40 really as it took her about 4-5 attempts to break 2.00!

[ExV8]

After Wednesdays disaster in training I took it easy in the race. Not a PB for the half distance (2 mins off) but 14 minutes better than last year.

Started at the back and spent most of the race overtaking, mentally it was much better, nice to enjoy a race without expecting anything.

[ED209]

The wife will be unhappy, 1hr 40 mins 56 seconds for the great north run, she was trying to break 1.40. Best go out to the pub before she gets home!


Still I think its her best half marathon ever by less than a minute.