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Totally unexpected but managed to thrash out a sub-40 10k and a new PB on a tougher course than July's race - 39:43!
Two of my friends managed to drag me through along with sub-40 PBs of their own - one not having run a sub-40 in over 20 years and the other where it's eluded him despite tidy 5k and half marathon PBs (18:45 and 1:26).
Two of my friends managed to drag me through along with sub-40 PBs of their own - one not having run a sub-40 in over 20 years and the other where it's eluded him despite tidy 5k and half marathon PBs (18:45 and 1:26).
ED209 said:
The wife will be unhappy, 1hr 40 mins 56 seconds for the great north run, she was trying to break 1.40. Best go out to the pub before she gets home!
Still I think its her best half marathon ever by less than a minute.
I found it tough today - it was very hot. I made my usual mistake of enjoying myself a bit too much in the first three miles and was struggling a lot by mile 11.Still I think its her best half marathon ever by less than a minute.
I don't know what the Great North Run is like normally but I must have witnessed at least a dozen people who has collapsed by the side of the road.
andrewparker said:
ED209 said:
The wife will be unhappy, 1hr 40 mins 56 seconds for the great north run, she was trying to break 1.40. Best go out to the pub before she gets home!
Still I think its her best half marathon ever by less than a minute.
I found it tough today - it was very hot. I made my usual mistake of enjoying myself a bit too much in the first three miles and was struggling a lot by mile 11.Still I think its her best half marathon ever by less than a minute.
I don't know what the Great North Run is like normally but I must have witnessed at least a dozen people who has collapsed by the side of the road.
I was at a BBQ yesterday and got into a conversation about a 10k on a hard local course that happens at the weekend and naturally, I've been talked into running it.
I've not run 6 miles for months and have concentrated my training on changing my running technique as per Julian Goater's book. I'll just have to give it a go and hope that my time is improved on the terrible time that I ran there a couple of years ago when the sun shone and the temperature was in the high 20s.
I think I'm going to do a speed session mid-week and go into the 10k with no idea about my current 10k pace.
I've not run 6 miles for months and have concentrated my training on changing my running technique as per Julian Goater's book. I'll just have to give it a go and hope that my time is improved on the terrible time that I ran there a couple of years ago when the sun shone and the temperature was in the high 20s.
I think I'm going to do a speed session mid-week and go into the 10k with no idea about my current 10k pace.
Two options, go out hard and pick up the pieces later on, or run at a conservative pace from the outset knowing that you might not fulfil your potential. I'd choose the first option and would be tempted not to bother with any midweek speed work session, and do a 3 or 4 miles easy run to loosen up.
andy_s said:
A new PB, 155 miles in 44 hours in Madagascar; an hour less than my MdS 2005 time. 
Wow! Great work. I'd love to do the MdS but will try a "normal" ultra first. thinking about the London2Brighton. Do you have any tips on going from marathon to ultra? I'd love to hear about the MdS as it has that mystique around it.Can't recall if I posted but did a lovely 12.5 mile run Sunday, about 8 miles off road.
Easy 7.5 miles yesterday.... Rest today and LT session tomorrow which is 3.2 miles at LT pace, 2mins rest, 1.6 miles at LT pace, 3mins rest then 4x200m off 30secs rest at 1500m pace so not too hard a session really but just base endurance.
Easy 7.5 miles yesterday.... Rest today and LT session tomorrow which is 3.2 miles at LT pace, 2mins rest, 1.6 miles at LT pace, 3mins rest then 4x200m off 30secs rest at 1500m pace so not too hard a session really but just base endurance.
im well pleased, first time coming close to my goal of 30 minutes.I really enjoy running (and cycling).
It isn't a chore and poor weather doesn't put me off.
I realise that I'm not alone and it is only a minor moan, but I'm feeling quite demoralised with it at the moment.
As I've written before, having been mostly prevented from running by various (mostly minor) injuries over the past 17(!) years, I made a determined effort to get back into it properly in January 2013 (ie. 21 months ago).
-Mid-foot striking, quicker step-rate, lighter shoes etc.
Result:
....Multiple lingering calf injuries in different places in both legs. Physio. Months on/off, little improvement.
....An MCL strain in my knee this January (that is still niggling at times). Physio. Months off.
Things appeared to be looking up from the spring, when I began building up mileage again gently.
I presumably didn't take it easy enough, though, as for the past couple of months I've suffered more calf problems after longer runs. These did appear to be being overcome, with more physio and core exercises.
...Last week I began with a patella tendon pain in my left knee
(I have suffered on/off with the same in the other knee for a few years, so I am keen to avoid this), which is currently sore even when cycling (walking was sore last week) with any sort of effort, so I've had to back right off from my mountain biking 
and road biking. I've no idea how long it will take to heal.
I've entered 10K and trail races and been required to pull-out beforehand over the years. I've not even managed a Parkrun yet
-Grandads in teddy bear suits doing the Great North Run are coping better than I am.
I don't want to give up completely, but I'm thinking that, longer term, if I do carry on persevering with it, I'm probably going to have to be content with just doing some fairly gentle, low-mileage running and hoping that I can avoid injury.
ps. Somebody I know took up running less than 2 years ago and completed the Ring of Fire Ultra in good time the other week....
People who can run without major problems are very fortunate!
It isn't a chore and poor weather doesn't put me off.
I realise that I'm not alone and it is only a minor moan, but I'm feeling quite demoralised with it at the moment.
As I've written before, having been mostly prevented from running by various (mostly minor) injuries over the past 17(!) years, I made a determined effort to get back into it properly in January 2013 (ie. 21 months ago).
-Mid-foot striking, quicker step-rate, lighter shoes etc.
Result:
....Multiple lingering calf injuries in different places in both legs. Physio. Months on/off, little improvement.
....An MCL strain in my knee this January (that is still niggling at times). Physio. Months off.
Things appeared to be looking up from the spring, when I began building up mileage again gently.
I presumably didn't take it easy enough, though, as for the past couple of months I've suffered more calf problems after longer runs. These did appear to be being overcome, with more physio and core exercises.
...Last week I began with a patella tendon pain in my left knee
(I have suffered on/off with the same in the other knee for a few years, so I am keen to avoid this), which is currently sore even when cycling (walking was sore last week) with any sort of effort, so I've had to back right off from my mountain biking and road biking. I've no idea how long it will take to heal.I've entered 10K and trail races and been required to pull-out beforehand over the years. I've not even managed a Parkrun yet
-Grandads in teddy bear suits doing the Great North Run are coping better than I am.
I don't want to give up completely, but I'm thinking that, longer term, if I do carry on persevering with it, I'm probably going to have to be content with just doing some fairly gentle, low-mileage running and hoping that I can avoid injury.
ps. Somebody I know took up running less than 2 years ago and completed the Ring of Fire Ultra in good time the other week....
People who can run without major problems are very fortunate!
andrewparker said:
Two options, go out hard and pick up the pieces later on, or run at a conservative pace from the outset knowing that you might not fulfil your potential. I'd choose the first option and would be tempted not to bother with any midweek speed work session, and do a 3 or 4 miles easy run to loosen up.
Thanks. The first option is my traditional style, start too fast and feel worn out late in the race, but I still think I'll go with it using my new-found natural running technique.
lepetitoeuf said:
Have you considered swimming?
A dodgy elbow from a mountain biking accident as a teenager hasn't helped.... I really need to do more swimming, though -I really enjoyed it on holiday.lepetitoeuf said:
Joking aside, your history of injury makes upsetting reading, I've had a fraction of the injuries that you've had, yet have felt like giving up on running many times. It must be incredibly demoralising, but if nothing else you've definitely got determination
Don't get me wrong, I don't sit at home crying about it, but I have been nursing knee, upper and lower-leg injuries for a fairly long time. Thankfully most have not prevented me from also riding a bike too often.lepetitoeuf said:
In 'The Art of Running' by Julian Goater, he suggests that most injuries are knock on effects from other areas of your body, especially the back, so again, that could be an area to look at.
It's a very good book, that I have recently read. Much of it is stuff I am already doing, from previous reading.I am carrying some old sporting wounds and don't have good biomechanics.
I suppose there has to come a point at which the repairs, maintenance, yoga, pilates, weight-training, visualisation, crystal healing, shamanism and voodoo out-weigh the benefits, though. I'm not a talented, up-an-coming athlete, I'm a (potentially) mid-pack runner in his late 30s who is heading towards the Veteran categories...
lepetitoeuf said:
I also buy from Wiggle, normally about the cheapest around if you stick to free 3-5 day delivery.
Currently 33% off if you buy it direct from SiS:http://m.scienceinsport.com/sis-products/sis-rego-...
Brings it down to £19.18 a tub delivered - currently £21.45 on wiggle.
andrewparker said:
My biggest improvement in injury prevention came when I took 6 weeks off and did a lot of hip strengthening exercises, mainly with resistance bands. I was prone to IT band problems, which have since never reappeared. I'd also suggest strengthening your core.
I think there may be something in that.I have been doing some hip/glute stretching and strengthening, although I'm yet to benefit from it.
ITB tightness seemed to be helped by foam rolling.
I have re-inflated my Swiss ball and begun using that.
I was doing some 1 leg squats, which may have contributed to the knee problem as there were some funny noises coming from that area....
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