The Running Thread
Discussion
MC Bodge said:
Having been mid-foot running in a couple of pairs of 7-8mm drop' Puma Faas 300 trainers, I tried a new pair of Puma Faas 300S (formerly known as the 350) with a lower 4mm drop today.
I had been expecting calf problems, but Interestingly, I found it more comfortable to run with the relatively lower heels. I was conscious of the heels touching the ground less/'more gently', so maybe I was able to relax my calf muscles post-foot-strike?
I do wear Zero drop shoes day-to-day.
I'll need to see how my legs are tomorrow and after the next run, though.
Maybe these will help with my ongoing calf problems?
The following day my calf muscles on both legs feel as if they have been worked, but not in a bad way. Fingers crossed that this is the start of a new era!I had been expecting calf problems, but Interestingly, I found it more comfortable to run with the relatively lower heels. I was conscious of the heels touching the ground less/'more gently', so maybe I was able to relax my calf muscles post-foot-strike?
I do wear Zero drop shoes day-to-day.
I'll need to see how my legs are tomorrow and after the next run, though.
Maybe these will help with my ongoing calf problems?
Halb said:
Do you lot wear underpants under your compression tights, or just the tights?
I always wear lycra shorts under tights or running shorts as I have short, think legs and they rub if there is no protection there.Been a little poor with the training over the Christmas period. Did one run on Christmas eve and then didn't do one until the 8th Jan although I was pleased with it.
I fasted last week for 5 days (I know it isn't good) and lost just over 7kg and managed to do a 7.2k, do a 2k swim and go to the gym for the first time in 5 months. I have just arrived back from a 9.8k and it took me 64 mintues which I couldn't quite believe. After about 5k, I lost all energy and my muscles were dead.
Since Saturday, I have been eating but I'll have to see how my run on Wednesday goes. Trying to get down to around 85kg for a marathon at the end of May where I'm hoping to crack 4 hours.
MC Bodge said:
The following day my calf muscles on both legs feel as if they have been worked, but not in a bad way. Fingers crossed that this is the start of a new era!
I've watched your struggle for a while now (two years?) - my own transition to forefoot strike and 4mm drop shoes was admittedly painful but short-lived by comparison. How were the calves two/three days later? That was when I got my DOMS.Possibly not the right place to throw this in. But don't really want to start a new thread 
I've been running consistently since 2010. It started because of my intent to do a Sprint Triathlon. (5k run) As I've carried on doing the Tri's, I've also done a couple of half marathons and last year a full marathon.
PBs
5K 23m (ish)
10K 46m (Heard the course was slightly short though so maybe add another minute)
Half 1:51 (Correct length)
Full 4h20 (Marathon Major so probably accurate)
Anyway to come to a point.
Despite hill running and long slow runs and interval stuff. I never feel like I'm really improving. Just really picking at it. I'll admit this has been on my mind since a friend (a phenomenal cyclist - so has years of aerobic capacity) has taken up running and is really bloody good. I'm not really in competition with him, I can't imagine every running around 3hours for a marathon!
But I was hoping for sub 4hours for my marathon and when I bonked at around 38K and couldn't stomach another gel and started to walk/run I just felt guilty that I was doing so bad. That I had missed something fundamental in my (albeit limited) training going in.
I feel I'm not doing something right though at the same time I'm kind of limited with the swimming and biking in how much more specific run work I can do in a week. (I have done run only weeks where I've run 40-50K over 5 days)
But it can't be just add more volume, add more hills can it?
I've been running consistently since 2010. It started because of my intent to do a Sprint Triathlon. (5k run) As I've carried on doing the Tri's, I've also done a couple of half marathons and last year a full marathon.
PBs
5K 23m (ish)
10K 46m (Heard the course was slightly short though so maybe add another minute)
Half 1:51 (Correct length)
Full 4h20 (Marathon Major so probably accurate)
Anyway to come to a point.
Despite hill running and long slow runs and interval stuff. I never feel like I'm really improving. Just really picking at it. I'll admit this has been on my mind since a friend (a phenomenal cyclist - so has years of aerobic capacity) has taken up running and is really bloody good. I'm not really in competition with him, I can't imagine every running around 3hours for a marathon!
But I was hoping for sub 4hours for my marathon and when I bonked at around 38K and couldn't stomach another gel and started to walk/run I just felt guilty that I was doing so bad. That I had missed something fundamental in my (albeit limited) training going in.
I feel I'm not doing something right though at the same time I'm kind of limited with the swimming and biking in how much more specific run work I can do in a week. (I have done run only weeks where I've run 40-50K over 5 days)
But it can't be just add more volume, add more hills can it?
grumbledoak said:
I've watched your struggle for a while now (two years?) - my own transition to forefoot strike and 4mm drop shoes was admittedly painful but short-lived by comparison. How were the calves two/three days later? That was when I got my DOMS.
Cheers. I'm not sure why I've had so many problems, but currently working on strengthening, shock loading, balance and isostatic(?) exercises. My calves have felt good since Saturday's run, other than a bit of a twinge this afternoon after some sets of 'rebound jumps' that the Physio suggested -I've just been to yoga (something else I'm trying and is really good) and all seems fine now.
Edited by MC Bodge on Monday 26th January 22:18
Edited by MC Bodge on Tuesday 27th January 06:02
SHutchinson said:
Ran Newcastle ParkRun on Saturday. Worst time ever! 23:04
Oh dear. The paths were very frosty though.
Right, back to harriers this week it is.
Worst ever ParkRun time on Saturday spurred me into a steady 8 miles before work this morning. Harriers tomorrow night to work on some pyramid sprints. Hopefully I'll claw a minute back come 9am on Saturday morning!Oh dear. The paths were very frosty though.
Right, back to harriers this week it is.
grumbledoak said:
I've watched your struggle for a while now (two years?) - my own transition to forefoot strike and 4mm drop shoes was admittedly painful but short-lived by comparison. How were the calves two/three days later? That was when I got my DOMS.
The second, more intense, run in the new shoes also seemed successful, I felt that I could relax my calf muscles more than in my other shoes (I'll try the older ones again next time).The instep support of the new shoes plus my orthotics is a little too much, though. I might go without orthotics next time I try them. Wearing minimal shoes day-to-day for the past 18 months has strengthened my feet a lot(and developed arches in previously flat feet) and I mid-foot strike anyway.
It may be placebo, but having some a lot of core strengthening and stretching exercises I'm feeling quite balanced and level in my hips, with no kicking my feet against my other leg.
Edited by MC Bodge on Wednesday 28th January 09:15
It's a French thing, but I had a cardio test today for a medical cert...The old circulatory system is doing fine for a 43 year old. I had a mask and ECG on a cycle for 15 mins (I'm not the keenest on a bike).
In summary I'm a lazy git
But the good news is there's room for improvement!
Anyhow, stats for the geeks:
Max power : 340W for 1 minute
Max BP : 235/100 mmHg
Max Pulse : 190 bpm
VO2 max : 50 ml/kg/min
Inhale vol: 5.15 litres
Max Exhale: 11.4 l/min
I got handed a pile of graphs and told with a wry smile that my VO2 max should be a lot greater and that interval training was a necessary evil!
Observations welcome..
In summary I'm a lazy git
But the good news is there's room for improvement!Anyhow, stats for the geeks:
Max power : 340W for 1 minute
Max BP : 235/100 mmHg
Max Pulse : 190 bpm
VO2 max : 50 ml/kg/min
Inhale vol: 5.15 litres
Max Exhale: 11.4 l/min
I got handed a pile of graphs and told with a wry smile that my VO2 max should be a lot greater and that interval training was a necessary evil!
Observations welcome..
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