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lost in espace said:
I have run 18 marathons so am not a newbie however would appreciate some advice.
Right so far in March on consecutive weekends I have run:
Cambridge boundary marathon, hilly, muddy, windy. 4.45
Cambridge half, very busy, flat 1.44
North London Vitality Half, hilly 1.48
I have this morning been for a 22 miler at about 10/11 minute miles. The runs listed above were done off the back of pretty shabby training, mainly 5 and 10ks.
Today's 22 miler was horrid, I was asked to run slowly with the group I was with, but it was a real tough one after about 17 miles. I have a low carb, high fat diet and find I don't really hit the wall, but my legs were like jelly. After yesterdays parkrun I got a bit dizzy, but I did push myself.
I am not sure if I should eat more (at least some!) carbs, or my legs were just tired from 3 weeks of tough running. I thought I was enjoying being sort of marathon fit, but today I am rethinking!
I'd take a break!! There's a difference between marathon fit and doing a marathon, 2x halves and a 22 miler in consecutive weeks-plus the intensity of a park run and the training runs.Right so far in March on consecutive weekends I have run:
Cambridge boundary marathon, hilly, muddy, windy. 4.45
Cambridge half, very busy, flat 1.44
North London Vitality Half, hilly 1.48
I have this morning been for a 22 miler at about 10/11 minute miles. The runs listed above were done off the back of pretty shabby training, mainly 5 and 10ks.
Today's 22 miler was horrid, I was asked to run slowly with the group I was with, but it was a real tough one after about 17 miles. I have a low carb, high fat diet and find I don't really hit the wall, but my legs were like jelly. After yesterdays parkrun I got a bit dizzy, but I did push myself.
I am not sure if I should eat more (at least some!) carbs, or my legs were just tired from 3 weeks of tough running. I thought I was enjoying being sort of marathon fit, but today I am rethinking!
With that sort of racing schedule I'd recommend doing bugger all inbetween-and 3 long races/runs then a week off inbetween, unless this has worked well for you in the past?
Disclaimer: I'm not a coach and although I haven't stepped on a track in a while I still consider myself an 800m/1500m runner who does the occassional half marathon so after a half (I only do one a year) I take a full week of 5k easy runs every other day, so could be I'm being too cautious.
Sounds to me like you need a few rest days and to cut down the intensity of your weekend runs every now and again.
I'd have an easy weekend next weekend and focus on a tempo session during the week (but not more than 5 miles of tempo) and reduce the long run to 15 miles at an easy pace .... but your easy pace
I'd have an easy weekend next weekend and focus on a tempo session during the week (but not more than 5 miles of tempo) and reduce the long run to 15 miles at an easy pace .... but your easy pace
Having come back from long term injury, I have now established a bit of a base (ok, probably not enough) and finding myself chomping at the bit to go faster, I strapped on my HRM this morning in an attempt to gauge my effort and reign myself in a bit.
I'm still avoiding full-on efforts, so I've not tested max HR recently, but It was low 190's a couple of years ago.
I discovered that a comfortable, but reasonable, effort was high 140's bpm. Stretching it out a bit for a few hundred metres, it went up to low 160's at the sort of pace I was sustaining the other night. 165 was pressing on. Average for the 7K was 149bpm.
Resting HR is about 42 (naturally quite low and a fair bit of cycling)
I'm thinking that I should probably build distance at 145-150bpm.
Could anybody offer any useful pointers based on the above? Cheers
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Has anybody had positive experiences of generally staying in Zone 2-3, rather than always edging up the intensity, with only going into zone 4-5 during "speedwork"?
I cycle a fair distance at lower heart rates, but I suppose that this is not too transferable to other activities. I assume that I will also need to run at lower heart rates too.
I'm still avoiding full-on efforts, so I've not tested max HR recently, but It was low 190's a couple of years ago.
I discovered that a comfortable, but reasonable, effort was high 140's bpm. Stretching it out a bit for a few hundred metres, it went up to low 160's at the sort of pace I was sustaining the other night. 165 was pressing on. Average for the 7K was 149bpm.
Resting HR is about 42 (naturally quite low and a fair bit of cycling)
I'm thinking that I should probably build distance at 145-150bpm.
Could anybody offer any useful pointers based on the above? Cheers
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Has anybody had positive experiences of generally staying in Zone 2-3, rather than always edging up the intensity, with only going into zone 4-5 during "speedwork"?
I cycle a fair distance at lower heart rates, but I suppose that this is not too transferable to other activities. I assume that I will also need to run at lower heart rates too.
Edited by MC Bodge on Tuesday 24th March 11:56
Anyone else do the fleet half marathon today?
A great race and came back with a bit of sun burn! But best of all a time of 1.39, which is 10 mins quicker than last year. Very pleased with that looking back down I could have shaved another couple of minutes off.
Looking forward to the VLM now, but that is a very different game, just want to get round without stopping!
A great race and came back with a bit of sun burn! But best of all a time of 1.39, which is 10 mins quicker than last year. Very pleased with that looking back down I could have shaved another couple of minutes off.
Looking forward to the VLM now, but that is a very different game, just want to get round without stopping!
Completed my first proper half marathon yesterday (Wilmslow). Which happily coincided with my weight loss goal of 3.5 stone on the day.
Managed my sub 2 hour target (just) @ 1.59.04 but was tough to get there. When people were saying it was a flat course, i wasn't expecting it to be uphill all the way back from the 10k mark.
Sadly, just before the finish I passed a guy being given CPR at the side of the road who will hopefully pull through.
Anyway, cheers KTF for the gel and water advice, i tried a few in the run up and found the pineapple SiS to be the most palatable.
What did people progress onto after a half marathon?
edit - don't trust friends for news
Managed my sub 2 hour target (just) @ 1.59.04 but was tough to get there. When people were saying it was a flat course, i wasn't expecting it to be uphill all the way back from the 10k mark.
Sadly, just before the finish I passed a guy being given CPR at the side of the road who will hopefully pull through.
Anyway, cheers KTF for the gel and water advice, i tried a few in the run up and found the pineapple SiS to be the most palatable.
What did people progress onto after a half marathon?
edit - don't trust friends for news
Edited by Alapeno on Monday 23 March 14:31
Alapeno said:
Completed my first proper half marathon yesterday (Wilmslow). Which happily coincided with my weight loss goal of 3.5 stone on the day.
Managed my sub 2 hour target (just) @ 1.59.04 but was tough to get there. When people were saying it was a flat course, i wasn't expecting it to be uphill all the way back from the 10k mark.
Sadly, just before the finish I passed a guy being given CPR at the side of the road who unfortunately died, despite the commendable effort from the organisers and emergency services.
Anyway, cheers KTF for the gel and water advice, i tried a few in the run up and found the pineapple SiS to be the most palatable.
What did people progress onto after a half marathon?
You sure he died?Managed my sub 2 hour target (just) @ 1.59.04 but was tough to get there. When people were saying it was a flat course, i wasn't expecting it to be uphill all the way back from the 10k mark.
Sadly, just before the finish I passed a guy being given CPR at the side of the road who unfortunately died, despite the commendable effort from the organisers and emergency services.
Anyway, cheers KTF for the gel and water advice, i tried a few in the run up and found the pineapple SiS to be the most palatable.
What did people progress onto after a half marathon?
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...
Alapeno said:
Completed my first proper half marathon yesterday (Wilmslow). Which happily coincided with my weight loss goal of 3.5 stone on th
What did people progress onto after a half marathon?
Depends on your motivation, you can improve your time on the half, go to a full or longer, go mixed terrain. I am doing a 25k at Keswick in May which is pretty lumpy for the 1st seven miles. Personally I like some of the lower key club type events where you get a fig roll and a cup of water at the end rather than the big events. What did people progress onto after a half marathon?
Roger645 said:
Depends on your motivation, you can improve your time on the half, go to a full or longer, go mixed terrain. I am doing a 25k at Keswick in May which is pretty lumpy for the 1st seven miles. Personally I like some of the lower key club type events where you get a fig roll and a cup of water at the end rather than the big events.
I'm doing the Keswick MF 25k too! 
Edit: Some of my favourite events are the fell races where you get beer at the end
Edited by ewenm on Monday 23 March 13:25
ewenm said:
I'm doing the Keswick MF 25k too!
Edit: Some of my favourite events are the fell races where you get beer at the end
I will be a long way behind your finish time for the 25k! I have a bit of a knackered Achilles at the moment so not even thought about any training yet. Have a half this weekend to start to try and put some training in the legs.Edit: Some of my favourite events are the fell races where you get beer at the end
Edited by ewenm on Monday 23 March 13:25
Beer, yes, saw the phrase the other day "slips down like a wet penguin" sums up a nice beer after a tough run!
Roger645 said:
You sure he died?
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...
A friend that was also running told me the news, probably not the most credible source. Hope he pulls through anyway. http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...
Did a double run-commute yesterday. Morning was the usual 5.5 miles Bristol Temple Meads => Filton on a mostly traffic-free but tarmac route. Evening was 6.5 miles Keynsham => Bath mostly on the riverside path. Did the 5.5miler this morning too. Legs tired, left calf niggles, not enough sleep, stress from work and home - the life of a amateur runner.
Oh, and another thing...
GPS watches that take ages to find a signal. FFS!
I don't want to hang around for minutes at a cold train station waiting for my watch to decide it has found enough satellites. But if I set off it'll take even longer to find a signal and sometimes fail entirely in the whole run.
So, anyone know of a decent watch that finds signal quickly and reliably? And please don't suggest phone apps - I LIKE running without my phone for the sense of freedom and not wishing to carry a £500+ computer with me when having time to myself.
Grumpy Ewen today.
GPS watches that take ages to find a signal. FFS!
I don't want to hang around for minutes at a cold train station waiting for my watch to decide it has found enough satellites. But if I set off it'll take even longer to find a signal and sometimes fail entirely in the whole run.
So, anyone know of a decent watch that finds signal quickly and reliably? And please don't suggest phone apps - I LIKE running without my phone for the sense of freedom and not wishing to carry a £500+ computer with me when having time to myself.
Grumpy Ewen today.
A mate's just bought a tomtom one that seems to be really quick at acquiring satellites.
My Garmin 610 is usually pretty good but can occasionally take ages, never had it loose signal once I've started, but if it's locked on and I don't start the timer within a few minutes it switches back to power save mode, so if I don't notice it buzzing (it gives me 3 warnings 10 seconds apart before going to power save) it'll drop the lock and occasionally I'll go to start the timer and realised it's gone to sleep again, which can be pretty annoying.
My Garmin 610 is usually pretty good but can occasionally take ages, never had it loose signal once I've started, but if it's locked on and I don't start the timer within a few minutes it switches back to power save mode, so if I don't notice it buzzing (it gives me 3 warnings 10 seconds apart before going to power save) it'll drop the lock and occasionally I'll go to start the timer and realised it's gone to sleep again, which can be pretty annoying.
Foliage said:
Hurt my calf, I have a twinge 
cant run this week, kind of miffed about it.
Don't rush back to running! cant run this week, kind of miffed about it.Consider seeing a Physio if there is a knot or sore spot.
Do lots of strength exercises when the niggle has gone.
I have found that core exercises and yoga have been beneficial to my on-going running problems.
MC Bodge said:
Don't rush back to running!
Consider seeing a Physio if there is a knot or sore spot.
Do lots of strength exercises when the niggle has gone.
I have found that core exercises and yoga have been beneficial to my on-going running problems.
Its my first injury from running.Consider seeing a Physio if there is a knot or sore spot.
Do lots of strength exercises when the niggle has gone.
I have found that core exercises and yoga have been beneficial to my on-going running problems.
I do leg lifts once a week and do my core 3 times a week alogn with other lifting, im a big believer in core exercises. I snowboard as well which I find is good for legs and core.
I will see if I can book myself on a yoga class.
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