The Running Thread

[john2443]

It probably doesn't make you feel any better, but 7:45 is still faster than most of the population can manage and you're still at the early stages of getting back to fitness so (hopefully!) there is room for improvement. Well done for trying it, many people would have accepted defeat.

[MC Bodge]

E65Ross said:

I'm not sure what to do if this vocal cord doesn't improve

I reckon some traditional porting and polishing is in order. Get those ports optimised!

Whilst you're at it I reckon a cross-flow arrangement like a fish's gills would be a big improvement too.

In all seriousness, you'll just have to wait and see what happens, I suppose. Cycling seems good (at my
Lowly level) for aerobic cardio conditioning and allows me to cross-train without the inevitable running injuries I would pick up if I ran 6 days/week.

[E65Ross]

Thanks chaps. As you say I think it's largely a waiting game but whilst I'm waiting I still want to do something at least.

I told my surgeon 2-3 weeks ago I'd been running and they said I was mad but encouraged it.

The hardest thing for me is that uncertainty. Not knowing whether I'll ever be able to run properly again. From running 5ks at 5:20/mile or HMs at 6:00/mile to struggling at 7:45 pace for 5k is quite a big transformation.... But considering where I was after surgery it's quite amazing really. After about 12 days in ICU, 10 of which I was ventilated and completely bed-ridden I finally tried standing up and for ages I couldn't walk without a zimmerframe without falling over so.... I'm doing ok I guess. It's just frustrating all those years and thousands of miles of hard work and.... To lose it through no fault of my own. Still.... I'm alive at least!

[MC Bodge]

E65Ross said:

Thanks chaps. As you say I think it's largely a waiting game but whilst I'm waiting I still want to do something at least.

I told my surgeon 2-3 weeks ago I'd been running and they said I was mad but encouraged it.

The hardest thing for me is that uncertainty. Not knowing whether I'll ever be able to run properly again. From running 5ks at 5:20/mile or HMs at 6:00/mile to struggling at 7:45 pace for 5k is quite a big transformation.... But considering where I was after surgery it's quite amazing really. After about 12 days in ICU, 10 of which I was ventilated and completely bed-ridden I finally tried standing up and for ages I couldn't walk without a zimmerframe without falling over so.... I'm doing ok I guess. It's just frustrating all those years and thousands of miles of hard work and.... To lose it through no fault of my own. Still.... I'm alive at least!

Put into that context, your recent run was very impressive!

[Foliage]

ExV8 said:

Just 19k today. Picked up a blister on the sole of my foot 10k in due to new socks ( I think).

Any tips on getting rid of it by Monday?

I just empty the liquid out and run on it (a pin, lighter and tissue paper). Its just another ache/pain to add to the rest while I run, its all in the head anyway.

I regularly get runners toes and bleeding toes, and I don't even run that far...

[KTF]

Foliage said:

I regularly get runners toes and bleeding toes, and I don't even run that far...

I would suggest increasing your shoe size by a half or going to get fitted again as the above suggests your shoes are too small.

[Foliage]

KTF said:

I would suggest increasing your shoe size by a half or going to get fitted again as the above suggests your shoes are too small.

Shoes are the right size, perhaps a tad to big if anything, its the skin on my feet that's the problem its really soft and easily damaged.

[E65Ross]

Do they bleed on the top or bottom?

Try something like Bodyglide, or even vaseline.... Although vaseline doesn't really allow skin to breathe, so I prefer Bodyglide.

[BrabusMog]

I picked up a blister on my toe about 4km into a 10km run a week ago, by 5km it was so bad the white stitching on my trainers had turned red but I was 5km from home so had no choice to run back. It's amazing how your mind can block out the pain if it needs to. Got home, cut the blister off my toe and whacked a compeed on. It's been fine since!

[RizzoTheRat]

E65Ross said:

Thanks chaps. As you say I think it's largely a waiting game but whilst I'm waiting I still want to do something at least.

I told my surgeon 2-3 weeks ago I'd been running and they said I was mad but encouraged it.

The hardest thing for me is that uncertainty. Not knowing whether I'll ever be able to run properly again. From running 5ks at 5:20/mile or HMs at 6:00/mile to struggling at 7:45 pace for 5k is quite a big transformation.... But considering where I was after surgery it's quite amazing really. After about 12 days in ICU, 10 of which I was ventilated and completely bed-ridden I finally tried standing up and for ages I couldn't walk without a zimmerframe without falling over so.... I'm doing ok I guess. It's just frustrating all those years and thousands of miles of hard work and.... To lose it through no fault of my own. Still.... I'm alive at least!

What is you enjoy though, running or winning races? If its the running rather than the winning does it matter if you're a bit slower? Get out there and do what you enjoy doing, and your speed will improve.

At least you've got decent excuse, you're still 45s/mile faster than me

[E65Ross]

RizzoTheRat said:

What is you enjoy though, running or winning races? If its the running rather than the winning does it matter if you're a bit slower? Get out there and do what you enjoy doing, and your speed will improve.

At least you've got decent excuse, you're still 45s/mile faster than me

I enjoy the running, but I very much enjoyed being at a half decent level. Being able to run 15-20 miles at 7:30/mile or faster and still feel fresh!

So.... Whilst I can still enjoy getting out there, I won't enjoy it as much. Being able to run only a few miles is frustrating too.... Plus I can't drive for 12 months from surgery date so I can't drive anywhere nice to run either.... Doesn't help.

As said only a short run today but I am very glad I did it. Just need to keep at it and hope things improve.

Many thanks

[cerb4.5lee]

Pleased to hear you have managed to get out running again Ross and I always miss you on this thread, the pace you run at considering what you have been through is immense I reckon, I still only run at around the 9 min/mile pace.

Hats off to you.

[MC Bodge]

Everyone has their " pace" and not being able to achieve it is very frustrating (I still look at achieving another 90 min HM and sub 40 10k before I'm decrepit!)

Of course, age will take it's toll at some point, but not usually in your mid-20s.

[E65Ross]

cerb4.5lee said:

Pleased to hear you have managed to get out running again Ross and I always miss you on this thread, the pace you run at considering what you have been through is immense I reckon, I still only run at around the 9 min/mile pace.

Hats off to you.

Thank you Lee. I'm not sure if you kept an eye on my thread whilst I was in hospital but to think of where I am now considering how bad I was after my op is something I'm very grateful for. I have beaten all the odds and I'm literally months ahead of schedule and have shocked all my surgeons (for I ended up with 3 operations in the end.... 1 of which was only a minor stomach peg, mind) with my progress.... I have absolutely no doubt at all that my fitness level has helped significantly in this respect.

It was only a few weeks ago the surgeons told me that last year they had a 32 year old smoker in with the same tumour type and location as me (except his was 2.8cm and mine was 4cm) and, like me, couldn't swallow after the op and, also like me, got severe infections after the op as a result of this (I had a lot of saliva going into my lungs hence I had a tracheostomy eventually after the swallowing ability didn't return.... It has now, mind) and he died because his heart couldn't cope with the stress! I was in hospital for 32 days and the lowest my heart rate ever went to, even during sleep, was 102 (usually 50!)and my blood pressure (usually 110/70) was exceedingly high too....so my heart was working overtime, and I'm lucky it was strong enough!

Running saved me one reason why I want to carry on running!

[anonymous-user]

MC Bodge said:

Everyone has their " pace" and not being able to achieve it is very frustrating (I still look at achieving another 90 min HM and sub 40 10k before I'm decrepit!)

Of course, age will take it's toll at some point, but not usually in your mid-20s.

Keeping weight off is instant gain regardless of training.
In my late 40s I was doing 5k in around 21 mins. Not too podgy 13.5 St 6'1. Now approaching mid 50s and get around in 19 mins on a good day @ 12 St. Training about the same..

[MC Bodge]

Jimboka said:

Keeping weight off is instant gain regardless of training.
In my late 40s I was doing 5k in around 21 mins. Not too podgy 13.5 St 6'1. Now approaching mid 50s and get around in 19 mins on a good day @ 12 St. Training about the same..

That's very encouraging.

I'm 37, (with lifting/pushing leg muscles, apparently ) and have recently dropped from 13st 3 to 12st 9 through cycling and running -and hopefully managing to get over recurring calf injuries.

I've recently started increasing the pace and have done a high 21's 5k on the local pavements (during a brisk/hard Fartlek run) so I'm hopeful of dipping under 20 on a decent course.

I managed a couple of hour-long rocky, hilly fell runs the other day an felt really good.

I just need to avoid injury!!!!

Edited by MC Bodge on Tuesday 7th April 19:56

[lost in espace]

Paris marathon this weekend, London looming 2 weeks after. Just about ready, won't be a pb though probably come in just under 4 hours. It is going to be warm which will be challenging.

[RizzoTheRat]

E65Ross said:

Running saved me

That's a nice thought to bear in mind for us slower types when we reach the point where it feels like running is killing us. I started running as I realised I was getting too sedentary, overweight and unfit, interestingly a fair few mates from school all seem to have taken up running as we've turned 40 too. It's always nice to see living proof that it really can make a difference.

A bit under 8km last night, missed my target pace of 6:00/km by a couple of seconds, which is probably accounted for by waiting to cross a couple of roads. My target of sub 60 mins for the Yately 10k looks achievable if a little slow compared to many on here.

[MC Bodge]

RizzoTheRat said:

That's a nice thought to bear in mind for us slower types when we reach the point where it feels like running is killing us. I started running as I realised I was getting too sedentary, overweight and unfit, interestingly a fair few mates from school all seem to have taken up running as we've turned 40 too. It's always nice to see living proof that it really can make a difference.

A bit under 8km last night, missed my target pace of 6:00/km by a couple of seconds, which is probably accounted for by waiting to cross a couple of roads. My target of sub 60 mins for the Yately 10k looks achievable if a little slow compared to many on here.

Good effort.

I Might have asked before, but What sort of weight are you?

What sort of time can you do 1-2km in?

As I said earlier, everybody does have their own pace, but I suspect that you could make some very big gains by doing some faster intervals, with jogging/walking recovery, to get used to pumping your upper-arms/shoulders back and forward, lifting your knees higher and moving your legs more quickly.

Edited by MC Bodge on Wednesday 8th April 10:20

[RizzoTheRat]

A bit under 15 stone. Not sure on 1-2km time but parkrun PB is 26:36 so I should be able to do 10km in 55-56 minutes but need to work on stamina, following a discussion on here a few weeks back I'm intending to get up to running 10+km regularly and start doing some sprints to improve my speed. Been away a bit with work recently so only been managing one 7-8km run per week plus parkrun, but at home more now and with the lighter evenings it makes it a lot easier to get out.

I was always a sprinter at school and hated distance running, but doing a bit more distance recently has made big difference, took 26 seconds off my parkrun PB the other week and and actually starting to enjoy running rather than seeing it as a necessary evil.