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pugwash4x4 said:
HSVGTSCoupe said:
Certainly consistent top 4 in many sports but not consistent No.1.
good luck at proving me wrong.
well, you certainly aren't consistently number one, neither are AB, neither are SA, good luck at proving me wrong.
that's right, like all sports there come times that you have to prove you are number one- those times are often called WORLD CUPS, and if you win a world cup you are presumed (by just about ever rational thinking non trogladyte) to be the best in the world.
sorry chap- but the aussies are far far from the best in the world in rugby.
I think we are 3 or 4 from memory although that should of changed when the post WC results are accounted for.
...and for the record - ranking systems are for N0.1, 2 etc, world cups are for prestige to show who can perform when it matters - thats why they are so great to watch. You've been consistent since the last WC - consistently shite, but that counts for nout if you put in a good game on the day when it counts like yr lads did Sat.
HSVGTSCoupe said:
Did I say we were brains? maybe you should put yr specs back on.
no you didn't specifically say that you think you are number one, but you did say that we have something to "prove". Now we only have something to prove if we AREN'T number one- but, currently we are! world rankings are only a "guide" to who is best- you have to be able to perform when it counts. World ranking in rugby don't work very well because the biggest teams rarely meet- it's not like we are playing each other 2-3 times a year every year!
i find it very difficult to beleive that their is an ozzie stupid enough to beleive that the England rugby team have anything to prove anymore- you guys have consistenly showed that you are the ones with the HUGE chip on your shoulder- tell me, what does it feel like to lose to the guys "that everyone hates" that "don't have a gameplan"- if we are that bad, how come you lost to us, for the second time in a row?
sorry chap but we have nothing to prove, it's you that need to do the proving. i look forward to having this chat in another 4 years time.
and another thing- who was it that was resorting to dirty tricks and tactics because they couldn't stand up to the oppostion front 5.
BTW (because i know you have trouble sometimes
:P ) it wasn't England.pugwash4x4 said:
HSVGTSCoupe said:
Did I say we were brains? maybe you should put yr specs back on.
no you didn't specifically say that you think you are number one, but you did say that we have something to "prove". Now we only have something to prove if we AREN'T number one- but, currently we are! as the man in flying high said:
Shirley... you can't be serious?
How can you seriously say that yr team, that have played like a complete rabble & been beaten by just about evryone in the world (maybe except the outer mongolian U13 girls), are the current No.1 in the world? World champs yes - maybe in two weeks double WC & well done if they can get that Monkey off the back of UK sport, and that my old boy you do STILL have to prove.Just look back over 4 years of posts on here re yr side to see if yr compatriates agree you are the No.1 side. Would you have said that after yr drubbing by SA? - brave or stupid if you did. I have never said we are No.1, I think the Wallabies are also very inconsistent but we have over the years played above ourselves on the big occasions and are regarded by most as more of a danger side than England. A survey of England Rrugby fans on Friday would have shown about 1 in ten being seriously confident of a victory - No.1 team me arse! You shut us down superbly on Sat in a gritty game and maybe you can do the same to FR & SA - we'll see. Don't get ambition & ability too mixed up me old chum and try not to type on here when yr still under the influence of euphoria pills.
Just to add some facts to the debate, here are the world rankings as at 1st October (so not yet updated for this weekend's games). Incidentally, RWC games carry proportionately higher weight than other games:
1(1) NEW ZEALAND 93.38
2(2) AUSTRALIA 87.73
3(3) SOUTH AFRICA 86.44
4(4) ARGENTINA 85.78
5(5) FRANCE 84.63
6(7) ENGLAND 80.10
7(6) IRELAND 78.66
8(10) SCOTLAND 77.09
9(11) FIJI 75.82
10(8) WALES 74.08
http://www.irb.com/rankings/index.html
1(1) NEW ZEALAND 93.38
2(2) AUSTRALIA 87.73
3(3) SOUTH AFRICA 86.44
4(4) ARGENTINA 85.78
5(5) FRANCE 84.63
6(7) ENGLAND 80.10
7(6) IRELAND 78.66
8(10) SCOTLAND 77.09
9(11) FIJI 75.82
10(8) WALES 74.08
http://www.irb.com/rankings/index.html
TheGreatSoprendo said:
Just to add some facts to the debate, here are the world rankings as at 1st October (so not yet updated for this weekend's games). Incidentally, RWC games carry proportionately higher weight than other games:
1(1) NEW ZEALAND 93.38
2(2) AUSTRALIA 87.73
3(3) SOUTH AFRICA 86.44
4(4) ARGENTINA 85.78
5(5) FRANCE 84.63
6(7) ENGLAND 80.10
7(6) MONGOLIAN GIRLS U16 79.32
8(6) IRELAND 78.66
9(10)SCOTLAND 77.09
10(11)FIJI 75.82
11(8)WALES 74.08
http://www.irb.com/rankings/index.html
Geeez.. well I never, fancy letting the FACTS ruin a good story.1(1) NEW ZEALAND 93.38
2(2) AUSTRALIA 87.73
3(3) SOUTH AFRICA 86.44
4(4) ARGENTINA 85.78
5(5) FRANCE 84.63
6(7) ENGLAND 80.10
7(6) MONGOLIAN GIRLS U16 79.32
8(6) IRELAND 78.66
9(10)SCOTLAND 77.09
10(11)FIJI 75.82
11(8)WALES 74.08
http://www.irb.com/rankings/index.html
Like I said, W'champs maybe... No.1 me arse.
If England can go the distance and get the double then they might go top 4 at best. Sth Africa in the final should see them rattle the Kiwi's for No.1 spot, we will certainly drop below ARG & SA IMO.
HSVGTSCoupe said:
TheGreatSoprendo said:
Just to add some facts to the debate, here are the world rankings as at 1st October (so not yet updated for this weekend's games). Incidentally, RWC games carry proportionately higher weight than other games:
1(1) NEW ZEALAND 93.38
2(2) AUSTRALIA 87.73
3(3) SOUTH AFRICA 86.44
4(4) ARGENTINA 85.78
5(5) FRANCE 84.63
6(7) ENGLAND 80.10
7(6) MONGOLIAN GIRLS U16 79.32
8(6) IRELAND 78.66
9(10)SCOTLAND 77.09
10(11)FIJI 75.82
11(8)WALES 74.08
http://www.irb.com/rankings/index.html
Geeez.. well I never, fancy letting the FACTS ruin a good story.1(1) NEW ZEALAND 93.38
2(2) AUSTRALIA 87.73
3(3) SOUTH AFRICA 86.44
4(4) ARGENTINA 85.78
5(5) FRANCE 84.63
6(7) ENGLAND 80.10
7(6) MONGOLIAN GIRLS U16 79.32
8(6) IRELAND 78.66
9(10)SCOTLAND 77.09
10(11)FIJI 75.82
11(8)WALES 74.08
http://www.irb.com/rankings/index.html
Like I said, W'champs maybe... No.1 me arse.
If England can go the distance and get the double then they might go top 4 at best. Sth Africa in the final should see them rattle the Kiwi's for No.1 spot, we will certainly drop below ARG & SA IMO.
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DJC said:
Dude...you win the WC yer no 1. End of.
Errr Duuuuuude; not end of...Hmmm, call the quack; looks like we got another case of Euphoriosis!
You better hurry up & tell the IRC cos it looks like they got the ranking system all arse about.
I just scrolled back through the last few weeks posts & I must of missed your one about England being No1 in the world after the Springboks kicked yr arse 36-0. Great effort by the Boks humiliating the world's best side so convincingly.
We had a bad day, you had a good one - thankfully both are the exception not the rule.
Eng have been dogshit for 4 years since we won the WC - we are rightly way down on the rankings, but the rankings are not that great a reflection as some teams play each other a lot and other nations hardly get a look in for big games to climb the rankings.
The team that wins the World Cup are the World Champions and the best - no one can disgaree with that mainly because to win a WC you have do a hell of a lot more than play good rugby. It comes down to huge pressure, bottle and great decision making Thats why WC are the best sporting events in the world, its sorts the men from the boys. NZ crumbled under the pressure vs France in the last 40 and let France dictate how the game would be played, NZ alllowed that to happen thinking they would be good enough in the end, the were not. They had about 10 mins to take a shot at goal and didn't, thats schoolboy decision making.
Australia were simply ground down and destroyed in the forwards. They also came up against a team that wanted to win the game more than they did.
Its that simple.
Im shocked at the turn around from Eng vs SA to Eng vs Aus but it shows our rugby team do have huge mental strength. NZ are the best team in the world, no question, but who wants to be the best team in the world when it matters least. You ask the Aussies and Kiwi players how it feels to be pu there as the best for 2/3 years and fail when it matters the most.
Eng team that won the 03 comp, dominated rugby for 3 years prior to that. They then won the Tournament - which goes down as one of the best teams of all time.
The team that wins the World Cup are the World Champions and the best - no one can disgaree with that mainly because to win a WC you have do a hell of a lot more than play good rugby. It comes down to huge pressure, bottle and great decision making Thats why WC are the best sporting events in the world, its sorts the men from the boys. NZ crumbled under the pressure vs France in the last 40 and let France dictate how the game would be played, NZ alllowed that to happen thinking they would be good enough in the end, the were not. They had about 10 mins to take a shot at goal and didn't, thats schoolboy decision making.
Australia were simply ground down and destroyed in the forwards. They also came up against a team that wanted to win the game more than they did.
Its that simple.
Im shocked at the turn around from Eng vs SA to Eng vs Aus but it shows our rugby team do have huge mental strength. NZ are the best team in the world, no question, but who wants to be the best team in the world when it matters least. You ask the Aussies and Kiwi players how it feels to be pu there as the best for 2/3 years and fail when it matters the most.
Eng team that won the 03 comp, dominated rugby for 3 years prior to that. They then won the Tournament - which goes down as one of the best teams of all time.
I certainly wouldn't claim that we're number 1 in the World at the moment, although maybe we've turned the corner to go back up in that direction.
It will be interesting though to see if we can make ourselves into something of a bogey team for the Aussies in the RWC? We have, after all, put them out of the competition in 3 of the last 4 cups, and we didn't play each other in '99.
Given that we've now beaten the Aussies in their own World Cup and in a tournament where we were written off by almost all, surely they have to start wondering what they need to do to beat us in the cup?
It will be interesting though to see if we can make ourselves into something of a bogey team for the Aussies in the RWC? We have, after all, put them out of the competition in 3 of the last 4 cups, and we didn't play each other in '99.
Given that we've now beaten the Aussies in their own World Cup and in a tournament where we were written off by almost all, surely they have to start wondering what they need to do to beat us in the cup?
http://www.irb.com/rankings/index.html
Could someone explain why France and Australia have moved since last week while NZ and England haven't. I don't understand how it works. Surely England should have moved up cos Aus moved down, and the same with NZ/France.
Could someone explain why France and Australia have moved since last week while NZ and England haven't. I don't understand how it works. Surely England should have moved up cos Aus moved down, and the same with NZ/France.
130R said:
NZ are clearly the best team in the world if you mean most consistent outside of the world cup but that means jack when they keep choking when it really matters.
In a one off game England, NZ, Australia, SA and France can all beat each other.
They are simply not the best team in the world if they cannot win the key pressure matches.In a one off game England, NZ, Australia, SA and France can all beat each other.
Tri-nations you get to play every year, home and away. You get a crack at the Northern Hemisphere teams every year or so as well. So great, you can win the one off games when the pressure is limited.
If you can't do it in the ultimate pressure scenario then you are not the best team in the world.
HSVGTSCoupe said:
pugwash4x4 said:
HSVGTSCoupe said:
Certainly consistent top 4 in many sports but not consistent No.1.
good luck at proving me wrong.
well, you certainly aren't consistently number one, neither are AB, neither are SA, good luck at proving me wrong.
that's right, like all sports there come times that you have to prove you are number one- those times are often called WORLD CUPS, and if you win a world cup you are presumed (by just about ever rational thinking non trogladyte) to be the best in the world.
sorry chap- but the aussies are far far from the best in the world in rugby.
I think we are 3 or 4 from memory although that should of changed when the post WC results are accounted for.
...and for the record - ranking systems are for N0.1, 2 etc, world cups are for prestige to show who can perform when it matters - thats why they are so great to watch. You've been consistent since the last WC - consistently shite, but that counts for nout if you put in a good game on the day when it counts like yr lads did Sat.
The commentator at the start of the game said the aussies looked like sunflowers, resplendant in their green & gold. I'd imagine a front row of sunflowers probably could have scummaged better and given away fewer pens.
But oh well - chin up. Only 4 years until the next one.
Kermit power said:
It will be interesting though to see if we can make ourselves into something of a bogey team for the Aussies in the RWC? We have, after all, put them out of the competition in 3 of the last 4 cups, and we didn't play each other in '99.
I'd say you have already established yourselves as our WC bogey team... nobody can say that we can't perform on the big occasions - we certainly have the solid record of big game success and three WC's to back that up, often against the trend of prior form. No escaping the fact though that England have ended the other three of our WC campaigns so I guess we are conditional chokers of sorts? I don't think Oz RU will implode like the sheep shaggers are likely to do but some careful analysis of why playing Eng at the WC turns our scrum to Jelly & breaks our usual solid rythym, should be looked at long & hard. Along the same lines, Eng RU should use the Oz games as a benchmark for analysing how well they can bring a strong team apart - no reason why with some application, a stable 15 and confidence, they couldn't acheive same against others more consistently than in the last 4 years.HSVGTSCoupe said:
Kermit power said:
It will be interesting though to see if we can make ourselves into something of a bogey team for the Aussies in the RWC? We have, after all, put them out of the competition in 3 of the last 4 cups, and we didn't play each other in '99.
I'd say you have already established yourselves as our WC bogey team... nobody can say that we can't perform on the big occasions - we certainly have the solid record of big game success and three WC's to back that up, often against the trend of prior form. No escaping the fact though that England have ended the other three of our WC campaigns so I guess we are conditional chokers of sorts? I don't think Oz RU will implode like the sheep shaggers are likely to do but some careful analysis of why playing Eng at the WC turns our scrum to Jelly & breaks our usual solid rythym, should be looked at long & hard. Along the same lines, Eng RU should use the Oz games as a benchmark for analysing how well they can bring a strong team apart - no reason why with some application, a stable 15 and confidence, they couldn't acheive same against others more consistently than in the last 4 years.
A couple of golden digs at those departed from the cup. ( and yes I'm an Aussie )
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Whats's the difference between The Wallabies, The All Blacks, Fiji and an arsonist ??
An arsonist wouldn't waste five matches.
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Whats the differnce between The All Blacks and a bra.
The All Blacks have all support but no cup.
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Whats's the difference between The Wallabies, The All Blacks, Fiji and an arsonist ??
An arsonist wouldn't waste five matches.
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Whats the differnce between The All Blacks and a bra.
The All Blacks have all support but no cup.
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