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Intresting. - http://thegarv.com/mma/aleks-blames-fedors-manager...
website said:
In this article by sports.ru, and with assistance from my loyal postal connections buried deep within the Underground Forum and google translator, it appears as if Aleksander Emelianenko is pointing the finger at M-1 Global president and the manager of Fedor Emelianenko, Vadim Finkelstein, as the source of the stalemate in negotiations between Fedor and the UFC.
“On the UFC, you can negotiate. I know that they are sufficiently flexible contracts. And all this talk about the bonded conditions at the time of signing the contract with the UFC come only from Finkelstein, who wants, through a contract with the UFC/Fedor, promote your own business.”
For all of the media hoopla and fan frenzy that has followed in the wake of Fedor’s negotiations with the UFC, and especially for those blaming the UFC for their stringent and allegedly acrimonious contract stipulations, this news is rather shocking.
It shouldn’t come as a surprise that Vadim Finkelstein demands co-promotional options from the UFC to boost the M-1 Global name and its stable of fighters, as both he and Fedor share a stake in the company’s success and profits. The true lash of the whip lies in Alek’s opinion that the UFC offers “sufficiently flexible” contracts, which would have been greeted with scornful and somewhat evil laughter from many devout Fedor followers… this writer being one of them.
“On the UFC, you can negotiate. I know that they are sufficiently flexible contracts. And all this talk about the bonded conditions at the time of signing the contract with the UFC come only from Finkelstein, who wants, through a contract with the UFC/Fedor, promote your own business.”
For all of the media hoopla and fan frenzy that has followed in the wake of Fedor’s negotiations with the UFC, and especially for those blaming the UFC for their stringent and allegedly acrimonious contract stipulations, this news is rather shocking.
It shouldn’t come as a surprise that Vadim Finkelstein demands co-promotional options from the UFC to boost the M-1 Global name and its stable of fighters, as both he and Fedor share a stake in the company’s success and profits. The true lash of the whip lies in Alek’s opinion that the UFC offers “sufficiently flexible” contracts, which would have been greeted with scornful and somewhat evil laughter from many devout Fedor followers… this writer being one of them.
tim2100 said:
Intresting. - http://thegarv.com/mma/aleks-blames-fedors-manager...
It is interesting. Kind of backs up The UFC's owners words (can't remember namewebsite said:
In this article by sports.ru, and with assistance from my loyal postal connections buried deep within the Underground Forum and google translator, it appears as if Aleksander Emelianenko is pointing the finger at M-1 Global president and the manager of Fedor Emelianenko, Vadim Finkelstein, as the source of the stalemate in negotiations between Fedor and the UFC.
“On the UFC, you can negotiate. I know that they are sufficiently flexible contracts. And all this talk about the bonded conditions at the time of signing the contract with the UFC come only from Finkelstein, who wants, through a contract with the UFC/Fedor, promote your own business.”
For all of the media hoopla and fan frenzy that has followed in the wake of Fedor’s negotiations with the UFC, and especially for those blaming the UFC for their stringent and allegedly acrimonious contract stipulations, this news is rather shocking.
It shouldn’t come as a surprise that Vadim Finkelstein demands co-promotional options from the UFC to boost the M-1 Global name and its stable of fighters, as both he and Fedor share a stake in the company’s success and profits. The true lash of the whip lies in Alek’s opinion that the UFC offers “sufficiently flexible” contracts, which would have been greeted with scornful and somewhat evil laughter from many devout Fedor followers… this writer being one of them.
“On the UFC, you can negotiate. I know that they are sufficiently flexible contracts. And all this talk about the bonded conditions at the time of signing the contract with the UFC come only from Finkelstein, who wants, through a contract with the UFC/Fedor, promote your own business.”
For all of the media hoopla and fan frenzy that has followed in the wake of Fedor’s negotiations with the UFC, and especially for those blaming the UFC for their stringent and allegedly acrimonious contract stipulations, this news is rather shocking.
It shouldn’t come as a surprise that Vadim Finkelstein demands co-promotional options from the UFC to boost the M-1 Global name and its stable of fighters, as both he and Fedor share a stake in the company’s success and profits. The true lash of the whip lies in Alek’s opinion that the UFC offers “sufficiently flexible” contracts, which would have been greeted with scornful and somewhat evil laughter from many devout Fedor followers… this writer being one of them.
) when he says if he could get to Fedor, they might have a deal.read that earlier, it does seem to fly in the face of what we've heard this far, in that the UFC wouldnt bend at all for Fedor. Aleks and Fedor seem to be back on good terms again as theyre back training together so maybe he speaks the truth and fedor might get shot of his manager. If he doesnt he's going to spoil his legacy as he's basically fought everyone of any standing outwith the UFC already.
Looks like something might be happening: http://www.fightline.com/news/mma/2009/0728/431458...
Rumour is that fedor will sign on Friday and Lesnar/fedor will be scheduled for UFC 103.
Might get our wish now, lets see if Lesnar is just a big guy that lies on his opponents, or a skilled takedown artist with ground 'n pound that has been improving steadily with every fight, alongwith JJ and punching skills he's been working hard on.
Would be the biggest fight of all time in MMA, they'd sell more PPV's and tickets than any event they've ever had I recon.
Rumour is that fedor will sign on Friday and Lesnar/fedor will be scheduled for UFC 103.
Might get our wish now, lets see if Lesnar is just a big guy that lies on his opponents, or a skilled takedown artist with ground 'n pound that has been improving steadily with every fight, alongwith JJ and punching skills he's been working hard on.
Would be the biggest fight of all time in MMA, they'd sell more PPV's and tickets than any event they've ever had I recon.
Wow, maybe it really will happen. For all this talk of Fedor and te UFC not needing one another, no, they don't need one another per se but they would be very good for one another and it would further the sport of MMA no doubt. It really would cement Fedor's legacy if he comes and performs like we all know he can in the UFC. I'll be interested to hear how Dana dealt with the co-promotion issue too.
As far as Brock goes, he is improving all the time. He has so much potetntial and could be the champ for a long time if he can up his striking and JJ. That said, Fedor is so well rounded that I have a feeling he will defeat Brock as he will be happy wherever the fight goes. The only potential issue I can see is Fedor does not like being on his back. During the first war with Nog in Pride he was very quick to sweep Nog when Nog was on top of him whereas he might not have the strength to do that to Brock. But again, according to a lot of fighters Fedor hits incredibly hard, Overeem in particular said it is deceptive how hard he hits and shocking when it connects, and Brock, IMO, has a suspect chin.
What does Fedor weigh? I would think a lot of fighters would like a pop at him in the UFC so might jump weight. Also, apparently Anderson Silva is moreinterested in what he call's 'history-making fights' nstead of defending his middleweight title against no.1 contenders, I guess because he has said he is retiring when his UFC contract expires. GSP-Silve maybe then?
As far as Brock goes, he is improving all the time. He has so much potetntial and could be the champ for a long time if he can up his striking and JJ. That said, Fedor is so well rounded that I have a feeling he will defeat Brock as he will be happy wherever the fight goes. The only potential issue I can see is Fedor does not like being on his back. During the first war with Nog in Pride he was very quick to sweep Nog when Nog was on top of him whereas he might not have the strength to do that to Brock. But again, according to a lot of fighters Fedor hits incredibly hard, Overeem in particular said it is deceptive how hard he hits and shocking when it connects, and Brock, IMO, has a suspect chin.
What does Fedor weigh? I would think a lot of fighters would like a pop at him in the UFC so might jump weight. Also, apparently Anderson Silva is moreinterested in what he call's 'history-making fights' nstead of defending his middleweight title against no.1 contenders, I guess because he has said he is retiring when his UFC contract expires. GSP-Silve maybe then?
Well, it's fallen through!! I am losing more and more respect for fedor and his management, he is simply ducking the best fighters and probably realises he wouldn't be able to carry on his legacy if he stepped up in competition.
http://www.fightline.com/news/mma/2009/0729/431863...
The UFC bent over backwards for him, $5 million per fight!! allowed to wear and advertise his M-1 brand, allowed to carry on competing in Sambo conpetitions, basically everything he could want. Then M-1 want to co promote the event!! oh please, go build your own org, they'll fold within a year anyway, I completely undertand why the UFC wouldnt go for that.
Says it all really, actions speak louder than words, fedor was all "I want to fight Brock Lesnar", then gets the chance and doesnt take it, you cant make it any clearer than that.
At least Brock stepped into the biggest org and took on the best they had at the time, he's never ducked anyone, fedor will finish his "legacy" fighting LHW's and wash ups, and have a really great record of 1000000 wins and 1 no contest, well done, unfortunately the wins (even many of the 30 he has currently) wont mean anything.
http://www.fightline.com/news/mma/2009/0729/431863...
The UFC bent over backwards for him, $5 million per fight!! allowed to wear and advertise his M-1 brand, allowed to carry on competing in Sambo conpetitions, basically everything he could want. Then M-1 want to co promote the event!! oh please, go build your own org, they'll fold within a year anyway, I completely undertand why the UFC wouldnt go for that.
Says it all really, actions speak louder than words, fedor was all "I want to fight Brock Lesnar", then gets the chance and doesnt take it, you cant make it any clearer than that.
At least Brock stepped into the biggest org and took on the best they had at the time, he's never ducked anyone, fedor will finish his "legacy" fighting LHW's and wash ups, and have a really great record of 1000000 wins and 1 no contest, well done, unfortunately the wins (even many of the 30 he has currently) wont mean anything.
Edited by Tokoloshe on Thursday 30th July 12:02
Got this from sherdog.
sd said:
The UFC offered Fedor a 6 fight, 30 million dollar contract. That's 5 mil a fight
The UFC offered Fedor an immediate title shot
Lesnar/Fedor would be the biggest PPV in MMA history (we assume), and the UFC offered M-1 Global a cut of the PPV on top of Fedor's purse.
Fedor was free to wear as many M-1 logoed items as he wished.
The UFC also relented on allowing Fedor to compete in combat sambo.
Apparently, for good or bad, M-1 refuses to sign a deal unless the UFC agrees to co-promote.
A mistake on Finklsteins part. But it is up to Fedor at the end of the day. I would guess the chance to go for the UFC hvyweights is not what is driving him now.The UFC offered Fedor an immediate title shot
Lesnar/Fedor would be the biggest PPV in MMA history (we assume), and the UFC offered M-1 Global a cut of the PPV on top of Fedor's purse.
Fedor was free to wear as many M-1 logoed items as he wished.
The UFC also relented on allowing Fedor to compete in combat sambo.
Apparently, for good or bad, M-1 refuses to sign a deal unless the UFC agrees to co-promote.
Don't get that.
what is this 'Co-promote that M1 want? is that just to get a cut of the ppv revenue?, or do they want their name everywhere? The m1 name means nothing!
Shame. Would have been good ot have Fedor in the UFC.
Also in news today - UFC is back on TV in the UK.
Shame it is £12 per month, guess I will carry on downloading the events as have no interest in another sports they may have.
what is this 'Co-promote that M1 want? is that just to get a cut of the ppv revenue?, or do they want their name everywhere? The m1 name means nothing!
Shame. Would have been good ot have Fedor in the UFC.
Also in news today - UFC is back on TV in the UK.
fightersonly said:
30/07/09 - UFC signs deal with ESPN for UK broadcasts (updated)
ESPN has officially announced that it will broadcast UFC programming in the UK, starting with UFC 101.
The ESPN UK channel will launch on Monday August 3rd on Sky Channel 417 and in High Definition on Sky Channel 443.
“ESPN’s aim is to serve UK and Ireland sports fans by bringing the very best of both domestic and international live sport to their living rooms. We are delighted to add UFC… to our growing portfolio of live sport,” said Jeroen Oerlemans, ESPN’s Vice President, TV Channels Europe, Middle East and Africa.
UFC 101: Declaration takes place on Saturday 8th August and features the UFC Lightweight Title bout between BJ Penn and number one contender Kenny Florian as well as pound-for-pounder Anderson Silva stepping up to face light heavyweight Forrest Griffin.
On August 29th, legendary heavyweights Randy “The Natural” Couture and Antonio “Minotauro” Nogueira meet in the main event of UFC 102. That event is followed by a UFC Fight Night on September 16th, headlined by Nate Diaz’s lightweight clash with Melvin Guillard.
These will be the first three UFC events broadcast by ESPN to UK viewers
http://www.fightersonlymagazine.co.uk/news/viewarticle.php?id=2826&offset=0ESPN has officially announced that it will broadcast UFC programming in the UK, starting with UFC 101.
The ESPN UK channel will launch on Monday August 3rd on Sky Channel 417 and in High Definition on Sky Channel 443.
“ESPN’s aim is to serve UK and Ireland sports fans by bringing the very best of both domestic and international live sport to their living rooms. We are delighted to add UFC… to our growing portfolio of live sport,” said Jeroen Oerlemans, ESPN’s Vice President, TV Channels Europe, Middle East and Africa.
UFC 101: Declaration takes place on Saturday 8th August and features the UFC Lightweight Title bout between BJ Penn and number one contender Kenny Florian as well as pound-for-pounder Anderson Silva stepping up to face light heavyweight Forrest Griffin.
On August 29th, legendary heavyweights Randy “The Natural” Couture and Antonio “Minotauro” Nogueira meet in the main event of UFC 102. That event is followed by a UFC Fight Night on September 16th, headlined by Nate Diaz’s lightweight clash with Melvin Guillard.
These will be the first three UFC events broadcast by ESPN to UK viewers
Shame it is £12 per month, guess I will carry on downloading the events as have no interest in another sports they may have.
Edited by tim2100 on Thursday 30th July 12:18
Cheers for the ESPN news, ugh, thought it would go to them but was hoping a free channel instead.
Ill just have to watch the odd fight online now and again, after the Setanta debarcle I decided I wouldnt go paying £12 a month to another channel that doesnt show any other sport id want to watch. Ive got Sky Sports and it's superb, I actually watch it a lot, I watched Setanta only when the UFC was on.
I think after Setanta they'll have a hard time convinsing the UK UFC fans to part with £12 a month for the priviledge, so many people had problems cancelling and had really bad experiences with Setanta.
Ill just have to watch the odd fight online now and again, after the Setanta debarcle I decided I wouldnt go paying £12 a month to another channel that doesnt show any other sport id want to watch. Ive got Sky Sports and it's superb, I actually watch it a lot, I watched Setanta only when the UFC was on.
I think after Setanta they'll have a hard time convinsing the UK UFC fans to part with £12 a month for the priviledge, so many people had problems cancelling and had really bad experiences with Setanta.
Tokoloshe said:
Cheers for the ESPN news, ugh, thought it would go to them but was hoping a free channel instead.
Ill just have to watch the odd fight online now and again, after the Setanta debarcle I decided I wouldnt go paying £12 a month to another channel that doesnt show any other sport id want to watch. Ive got Sky Sports and it's superb, I actually watch it a lot, I watched Setanta only when the UFC was on.
I think after Setanta they'll have a hard time convinsing the UK UFC fans to part with £12 a month for the priviledge, so many people had problems cancelling and had really bad experiences with Setanta.
Just download a torrent client and use a decent torrent website and download the entire broadcast.Ill just have to watch the odd fight online now and again, after the Setanta debarcle I decided I wouldnt go paying £12 a month to another channel that doesnt show any other sport id want to watch. Ive got Sky Sports and it's superb, I actually watch it a lot, I watched Setanta only when the UFC was on.
I think after Setanta they'll have a hard time convinsing the UK UFC fans to part with £12 a month for the priviledge, so many people had problems cancelling and had really bad experiences with Setanta.
This is what i do, avoid the mma sites, use 1 or 2 sites to get the broadcast and then stream to my XBOX from the pc. Or you could plug laptop into a TV and watch that way.
I have done a comlete 180 on the Fedor issue. Full repect to Dana and Zuffa, they pulled out all the stops with that offer to give the fans what they want (and make some money!) but this M1 thing is a joke. It is going to kill Fedor's legacy if he does not face the best now, in the last years of his prime time. If he goes to Strikeforce say, where he will not make anywhere near what te UFC is offering and then loses, his carrer's odne. Nobody will care for him and everyone will sya how stupid he was. If he goes there and wins, people will still question his legacy as he is still not in the no 1 promotion with the best fighters.
Interesting to hear what Aleks has said about the matter too.
Interesting to hear what Aleks has said about the matter too.
tim2100 said:
Shame it is £12 per month, guess I will carry on downloading the events as have no interest in another sports they may have.
Idiots. They have given it to a channel that has no brand recognition in this country and will not increase the amount of ppl who watch UFC in any capacity....UFC really fumbled here. If they wanted to grow in the UK they should have gone with a terrestrial free channel. It's not like they need UK revenue to keep going...completely clueless this decision.Tokoloshe said:
Well, it's fallen through!! I am losing more and more respect for fedor and his management, he is simply ducking the best fighters and probably realises he wouldn't be able to carry on his legacy if he stepped up in competition.
http://www.fightline.com/news/mma/2009/0729/431863...
The UFC bent over backwards for him, $5 million per fight!! allowed to wear and advertise his M-1 brand, allowed to carry on competing in Sambo conpetitions, basically everything he could want. Then M-1 want to co promote the event!! oh please, go build your own org, they'll fold within a year anyway, I completely undertand why the UFC wouldnt go for that.
Says it all really, actions speak louder than words, fedor was all "I want to fight Brock Lesnar", then gets the chance and doesnt take it, you cant make it any clearer than that.
At least Brock stepped into the biggest org and took on the best they had at the time, he's never ducked anyone, fedor will finish his "legacy" fighting LHW's and wash ups, and have a really great record of 1000000 wins and 1 no contest, well done, unfortunately the wins (even many of the 30 he has currently) wont mean anything.
The bolded bit is a load of rubbish. The best heavyweights are not in the UFC.http://www.fightline.com/news/mma/2009/0729/431863...
The UFC bent over backwards for him, $5 million per fight!! allowed to wear and advertise his M-1 brand, allowed to carry on competing in Sambo conpetitions, basically everything he could want. Then M-1 want to co promote the event!! oh please, go build your own org, they'll fold within a year anyway, I completely undertand why the UFC wouldnt go for that.
Says it all really, actions speak louder than words, fedor was all "I want to fight Brock Lesnar", then gets the chance and doesnt take it, you cant make it any clearer than that.
At least Brock stepped into the biggest org and took on the best they had at the time, he's never ducked anyone, fedor will finish his "legacy" fighting LHW's and wash ups, and have a really great record of 1000000 wins and 1 no contest, well done, unfortunately the wins (even many of the 30 he has currently) wont mean anything.
He is an idiot for not taking that deal though.
XitUp said:
The bolded bit is a load of rubbish. The best heavyweights are not in the UFC.
I disagree, anyone who wants to fight in the biggest and most professional org work thir way up to the UFC, there are possibly two or three HW's outside the UFC that are around the level of the UFC guys, and one of those is Fedor, the other is Overeem, and no doubt there are one or two others around who were good and could possibly compete in the UFC but are past their best. Who do you recon outside the UFC is better than the current UFC HW's?
Tokoloshe said:
XitUp said:
The bolded bit is a load of rubbish. The best heavyweights are not in the UFC.
I disagree, anyone who wants to fight in the biggest and most professional org work thir way up to the UFC, there are possibly two or three HW's outside the UFC that are around the level of the UFC guys, and one of those is Fedor, the other is Overeem, and no doubt there are one or two others around who were good and could possibly compete in the UFC but are past their best. Who do you recon outside the UFC is better than the current UFC HW's?
All top level fighters i can see outside of the UFC in HW is Fedor, Werdum, Overeem, Arlovski, & Rogers.
Arlovski has been beaten by Fedor & Rogers, Werdum hasn't set the world alight in his fights, Rogers is to inexeperienced at this point, so will be likely cannon fodder to Fedor, and that leaves overeem. Can you see him beating Fedor?
Back on topic, His management are nuts not to take that deal, they must really believe in M1 global. I reckon UFC will try and sign Rogers at some point, so UFC will then definatly have the majority of the best HW's in MMA.
Werdu
Tokoloshe said:
XitUp said:
The bolded bit is a load of rubbish. The best heavyweights are not in the UFC.
I disagree, anyone who wants to fight in the biggest and most professional org work thir way up to the UFC, there are possibly two or three HW's outside the UFC that are around the level of the UFC guys, and one of those is Fedor, the other is Overeem, and no doubt there are one or two others around who were good and could possibly compete in the UFC but are past their best. Who do you recon outside the UFC is better than the current UFC HW's?
Fedor's management is loosing respect from other mma fighters
Thsi is from Frank Triggs twitter feed
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Thsi is from Frank Triggs twitter feed
FRANKTRIGG said:
All responce says m-1 is being put before Fedor. Bad 4 me as a fan I wnt 2 C him fight the best guys now & we all know whr they R
It is txt speak as limited charactersanother
FRANKTRIGG said:
Is Vadim Finkelchtein Putting M-1 Global or Fedor Emelianenko First?i say m-1 you?http://sbnation.com/e/733814
Edited by tim2100 on Friday 31st July 08:39
XitUp said:
Barnett, Overeem, Werdum. Silva and Rogers are better than a lot of them.
I disagree, but the only way to really say who is better is for them to fight.Barnett was okay, not an amazing fighter these days and has tested positive for illegal substances for the 2nd time in his career, he wont fight again in MMA for any org that means anything and has gone back to pro wrestling.
Werdum is decent but has left the UFC for strikeforce, and I dont believe he would've risen to the top in the UFC anyway, he obviously agrees and took the money shot and an easier path to a title.
Silva? Silva who? not Tim Silva? He was awful, only thing he managed to do was catch an overzealous Arlovski (aka Glass Chin) as he chased him, Arlovski himself turned out to be a big dissapointment following that, he was never the same fighter again.
Can you honestly say looking at Tim Silvas fights that Couture, Gonzaga, Velasquez, Carwin, Lesnar, Noguera, Cro Cop wouldnt beat him? Even Dos Santos, Cheick Congo, and Herring would give him a hard fight, and all those fighters are in the UFC!!
Rogers? no way!! who has he fought of any consequence, he has a win over a useless and glass chinned Arlovski, the rest of his wins are absolute nobodies, he hasnt fought a good competitor yet and is completely unproven, not ready to step up to most of the UFC's better HW's..
Tokoloshe said:
Barnett was okay, not an amazing fighter these days and has tested positive for illegal substances for the 3rd time in his career, he wont fight again in MMA for any org that means anything and has gone back to pro wrestling.
EFAEdited by tim2100 on Friday 31st July 17:20
Tokoloshe said:
XitUp said:
Barnett, Overeem, Werdum. Silva and Rogers are better than a lot of them.
I disagree, but the only way to really say who is better is for them to fight.Barnett was okay, not an amazing fighter these days and has tested positive for illegal substances for the 2nd time in his career, he wont fight again in MMA for any org that means anything and has gone back to pro wrestling.
Werdum is decent but has left the UFC for strikeforce, and I dont believe he would've risen to the top in the UFC anyway, he obviously agrees and took the money shot and an easier path to a title.
Silva? Silva who? not Tim Silva? He was awful, only thing he managed to do was catch an overzealous Arlovski (aka Glass Chin) as he chased him, Arlovski himself turned out to be a big dissapointment following that, he was never the same fighter again.
Can you honestly say looking at Tim Silvas fights that Couture, Gonzaga, Velasquez, Carwin, Lesnar, Noguera, Cro Cop wouldnt beat him? Even Dos Santos, Cheick Congo, and Herring would give him a hard fight, and all those fighters are in the UFC!!
Rogers? no way!! who has he fought of any consequence, he has a win over a useless and glass chinned Arlovski, the rest of his wins are absolute nobodies, he hasnt fought a good competitor yet and is completely unproven, not ready to step up to most of the UFC's better HW's..
I don't know who Tim Silva is...
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