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I've just watched that fight (piqued by all the media coverage). That wasn't a fight, it was murder. She was completely outclassed; that Holly girl hardly broke a sweat. Proper clinical job, almost like a professional fighting an amateur.
Wasn't she touted as being able to fight Mayweather or something? Laughable.
Wasn't she touted as being able to fight Mayweather or something? Laughable.
i've enjoyed the hype and excitement of both her and connor over the last 12 months or so, ......but i kept thinking every time i watched rowsey fight there was nothing coming back from the opponent so it didn't mean all that much. we had it in boxing last week with rocky fielding looking sensational ON THE PADS in training before fighting callum smith last saturday. ...as soon as callum started putting combinations together it was a first round blowout.
watching rowsey against holm it was so obvious what holm's game was.....as a southpaw, make sure you get you lead(right) foot outside the lead (left) foot of orthodox rowsey. this way they are right on the line for a back left hand straight down the middle and lead right hooks are perfectly positioned too.
in the fight rowsey was bewildered as if she had never seen a southpaw before. it's the first thing you learn(as a southpaw) after jabs .....but the first time an orthodox boxer goes in with a southpaw his/her coach should be telling them to take the lead and gain control of feet placement
watching rowsey against holm it was so obvious what holm's game was.....as a southpaw, make sure you get you lead(right) foot outside the lead (left) foot of orthodox rowsey. this way they are right on the line for a back left hand straight down the middle and lead right hooks are perfectly positioned too.
in the fight rowsey was bewildered as if she had never seen a southpaw before. it's the first thing you learn(as a southpaw) after jabs .....but the first time an orthodox boxer goes in with a southpaw his/her coach should be telling them to take the lead and gain control of feet placement
Edited by tuscaneer on Monday 16th November 09:15
What a great fight!! Rousey was totally outclassed, the difference in ability and levels was pretty significant.
Ive no idea what was going on in Rousey's head, as she never took a step back and tried to compose herself, it was just this scrappy go forward that Holmes easily avoided because it was so desperate, didnt Rousey appreciate it was a really bad plan of attack after the first round?
Rare to see a champion seem to mentally give up so quickly, all Rousey wanted to do is get hold of Holmes quickly, get it to ground, and armbar her, but when that didnt work she was mentally beaten and ran out of ideas.
I hope this serves as a big comedown for her. She might come back with more humility, not walk around with that whole cross face thing she does, and touch gloves out of respect for her opponent....but I doubt it.
Ive no idea what was going on in Rousey's head, as she never took a step back and tried to compose herself, it was just this scrappy go forward that Holmes easily avoided because it was so desperate, didnt Rousey appreciate it was a really bad plan of attack after the first round?
Rare to see a champion seem to mentally give up so quickly, all Rousey wanted to do is get hold of Holmes quickly, get it to ground, and armbar her, but when that didnt work she was mentally beaten and ran out of ideas.
I hope this serves as a big comedown for her. She might come back with more humility, not walk around with that whole cross face thing she does, and touch gloves out of respect for her opponent....but I doubt it.
tuscaneer said:
i've enjoyed the hype and excitement of both her and connor over the last 12 months or so, ......but i kept thinking every time i watched rowsey fight there was nothing coming back from the opponent so it didn't mean all that much. we had it in boxing last week with rocky fielding looking sensational ON THE PADS in training before fighting callum smith last saturday. ...as soon as callum started putting combinations together it was a first round blowout.
watching rowsey against holm it was so obvious what holm's game was.....as a southpaw, make sure you get you lead(right) foot outside the lead (left) foot of orthodox rowsey. this way they are right on the line for a back left hand straight down the middle and lead right hooks are perfectly positioned too.
in the fight rowsey was bewildered as if she had never seen a southpaw before. it's the first thing you learn(as a southpaw) after jabs .....but the first time an orthodox boxer goes in with a southpaw his/her coach should be telling them to take the lead and gain control of feet placement
Of course you're right, southpaws can be tricky and statistically speaking their success shows just that, to be Rhonda rousey and be totally bewildered by a southpaw counter punching and holms movement (which although brilliant should have been expected) one wonders what practice, training and sparring she had at all in the run up to this. The bit where holms' stepped under a lunging right hand from rousey was almost like aikido 😅 watching rowsey against holm it was so obvious what holm's game was.....as a southpaw, make sure you get you lead(right) foot outside the lead (left) foot of orthodox rowsey. this way they are right on the line for a back left hand straight down the middle and lead right hooks are perfectly positioned too.
in the fight rowsey was bewildered as if she had never seen a southpaw before. it's the first thing you learn(as a southpaw) after jabs .....but the first time an orthodox boxer goes in with a southpaw his/her coach should be telling them to take the lead and gain control of feet placement
Edited by tuscaneer on Monday 16th November 09:15
Holms beat Jane Couch in 2006 for a boxing world title, I'd love to have a time machine and pull Jane couch into modern mma 😊
GregK2 said:
"Ronda" and "Holm" People. That is all 
Or Ronda and Not Ronda people 
Have to say its likely been very good for the UFC (despite Dana's face) everyone in the office was talking about it today when normally there are 1 or 2 of us its more like 30, they may get some new fans from this.
FredClogs said:
Of course you're right, southpaws can be tricky and statistically speaking their success shows just that, to be Rhonda rousey and be totally bewildered by a southpaw counter punching and holms movement (which although brilliant should have been expected) one wonders what practice, training and sparring she had at all in the run up to this. The bit where holms' stepped under a lunging right hand from rousey was almost like aikido ??
Holms beat Jane Couch in 2006 for a boxing world title, I'd love to have a time machine and pull Jane couch into modern mma ??
i remember ricky hatton training with floyd mayweather sr for his fight with pacquiao........he was sparring orthodox fighters!! fHolms beat Jane Couch in 2006 for a boxing world title, I'd love to have a time machine and pull Jane couch into modern mma ??
king barmy!! speaking as a southpaw, i fking hate southpaws.....because i am so used to having the opponents jab on the same side as mine. chuck me in with another lefty and it's like trying to fight backwards.it was so obvious that rousey hadn't sparred many southpaws because you could see in her face she didn't know where the punches were coming from, couldn't read holm's movement at all.
on the other hand, ronda was making it really easy for holly to read her because she was showing shots way before letting them go. you could literally see what she was trying to do from 2 yards out.
jane couch was a hard woman wasn't she!!?? but again, it's hard to quantify how good these female contact sport practitioners are because you haven't got a lot of competition around to base your assesment on. rousey was a "champion" after 4 career fights!
tuscaneer said:
rousey was a "champion" after 4 career fights!
I'd be interested to know what she had done after those wins as well. I remember hearing Antony Joshua say that when he has been winning fights in 2/3 rounds he would immediately go to his dressing room and spar the remaining 9. This way when someone inevitably takes him into the deeper rounds he would at least have some prep for a longer fight. I think once Holly had survived the 1st Ronda was already very tired.anonymous said:
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i did note that and was shocked to be honest. i think she started to truly believe the hype in the way that liverpool heavyweight david price was being told by everyone and his dog that he was the next unified champion of the world. i think it takes away some of their steel, their edge....they end up believing that all they have to do is turn up and the job is done.it certainly didn't help rousey that she was blowing everyone away in quick fashion.
back to callum smith/ rocky fielding. i remember that on the previous bill rocky had a dead easy blowout 2 round win over brian vera wheras callum smith had a really long hard night against rebrasse.......that stood him in really good stead for his next fight which was the rocky fielding bout. and he smashed him up in a round.....had it gone long my money would have been even more in callums favour
Enjoyed the Rousey vs Holm fight, it was a perfect example what really makes a great striker, it's all down to timing, distance and angles, these things can't be mastered in a couple of years, belting out some fancy pad routines can be done by pretty much anyone after about 6 months of practice. There was some technical brilliance by Holm in the clinch too, she knew exactly how to counter Ronda's clinch (all about Holms arm/elbow position)
tuscaneer said:
jane couch was a hard woman wasn't she!!?? but again, it's hard to quantify how good these female contact sport practitioners are because you haven't got a lot of competition around to base your assesment on. rousey was a "champion" after 4 career fights!
Lucia Ryker is/was the Ali/Mayweather of womens boxing and really was incredibly skilled... Here she is taking Jane to school for 8 rounds...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydgmxIicNBY
but as you say Jane was nails, her dad was the care taker at my college - nobody dropped litter at our college
As an 8 stone 17 year old I used to hang around their gym, quite frightening.Don1 said:
Good one!Other fights - Joanna is a killer, Hunt has shown what he thinks of PEDs, and the rest of the card was pretty good.
The interesting conversation isn't about Rousey now, it's about who gets the next shot at Holm. Obviously Rousey will get a rematch because financially it would be stupid not to, but does someone like Tate get a shot first?
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