Murray's Clearly Not Turning Into Henman mark II

[im]

<groan>...out again in a Grand Slam tournament

Always the bridesmaid never the bride...

[ascayman]

to be the bridesmade he would have had to get to the final not the third round

[im]

ascayman said:

to be the bridesmade he would have had to get to the final not the third round

He did last year...I suppose this year he's just the uncle sitting at the back who nobody talks about...

[anonymous-user]

No. 2 in the world.

He has a long way to fall before he's "turning into Henman"

[MiniMan64]

el stovey said:

No. 2 in the world.

He has a long way to fall before he's "turning into Henman"

Henman was number 4 in the world and in the top ten for a decade. He still never won a slam.

I fear the same is coming true for Murray. The US Open is his best chance for a Slam win, it's his best surface and he still can't go up against the big boys on the biggest stage. Don't forget that Nadal has been injured most of the season as well so I still consider Murray a #3 in all honesty.

[Greenie]

How many times did Henman beat Federer?

How many times has Murray beat Federer?

That should go some way to answering your question.

Murray will win a GS, he's only 22 FFS. Since 2005 there has only been 1 winner of a GS except for Raf and Roger. It isn't easy you know but he will get it done.

[JJCW]

Yea only #2 in the world... awful. I guess he should try harder

[ascayman]

el stovey said:

No. 2 in the world.

He has a long way to fall before he's "turning into Henman"

likewise he has a long way to go before he is actually the 2nd best player in the world.

[MiniMan64]

JJCW said:

Yea only #2 in the world... awful. I guess he should try harder

You do realise that world rankings actually mean diddly squat these days as to who is actually the best player?

Just have a look at the womens game if you want proof.

[ascayman]

MiniMan64 said:

JJCW said:

Yea only #2 in the world... awful. I guess he should try harder

You do realise that world rankings actually mean diddly squat these days as to who is actually the best player?

Just have a look at the womens game if you want proof.

quite. in the slams he hasnt got anywhere near no 2.

[ChrisMCoupe]

Nitpicking slightly, but I think he is actually no. 3 in the world now after Nadal won his round last night.

Either way, he is in a different league to Henman and will win a GS one day as mentioned. Federer didn't win his first GS until he was 22 so Murray has plenty of time.

[im]

Greenie said:

How many times did Henman beat Federer?

Only in the 2nd tier tournaments though...not usually at one of the big 4 events.

Greenie said:

...he's only 22 FFS.

Age when winning their first Grand Slam:

Rafael Nadal 19
Lleyton Hewitt 19
Boris Becker 17
Pete Sampras 19
John McEnroe 20
Andy Roddick 21
Jimmy Connors 22
Andre Agassi 22
Roger Federer 22

So he'll need to get a move on, 22 is at the back end of when a future champion should be winning his first slam.

Edited by im on Wednesday 9th September 15:25

[anonymous-user]

im said:

Age when winning their first Grand Slam:

Rafael Nadal 19
Boris Becker 17
Pete Sampras 19
John McEnroe 20
Andy Roddick 21
Jimmy Connors 22
Andre Agassi 22
Roger Federer 22

Are many of them British? Nobody is saying Murray will be anywhere near a list like that in the future, just that he might win some Grand Slam tournaments and is already much better than Henman was at his best.

[derestrictor]

This is the problem, that whilst it's a brilliant feat in absolute terms we cannot speak of him as comparable (with Nadal, et al) because quite unlike like all the best foreign talent, his undoubted success lacks the precociousness typical in the prodigious norm one would expect from any other country's offerings.

To wit, he would have won sommat big by now.

Having said that, unlike Timothy, he is actually f@cking superb and on his day can do it but such a triumph will be more a case of a previaling wind, Spirit of '66, etc, etc...

Certainly not indomitable, either, in the mould of any of the past masters.

He is still exceptional and tbh I was thinking no Brit would ever chieve remotely close to what he has, so...

[Greenie]

im said:

Greenie said:

How many times did Henman beat Federer?

Only in the 2nd tier tournaments though...not usually at one of the big 4 events (last years semi against Nadal not with standing)

So he has a 6-3 record against the greatest tennis player of all time and you dismiss it. Who else has a better record against Federer?

As has been said there are plently of players over 22 that have won a GS.

[im]

Greenie said:

So he has a 6-3 record against the greatest tennis player of all time and you dismiss it. Who else has a better record against Federer?

...and in Grand Slam Head-To-Heads?

I mean come on, even Lleyton Hewitt had a slam in the bag at 19.

Sorry, but again I think we Brits have over-hyped one of own - I hope he succeeds but I fear he'll now slide down the table into the also-rans.

All IMHO

[Greenie]

Don't think I'm going to get an answer to who has a better record against Federer-am I. It isn't tiddlywinks they play outside the Grand slams-they still play tennis you know.

Anyway we both seem pretty sure about our views so perhaps we could make it interesting. Are you a sporting man?

[im]

Greenie said:

Anyway we both seem pretty sure about our views so perhaps we could make it interesting. Are you a sporting man?

Oh this is gonna be interesting...

[Greenie]

im said:

Greenie said:

Anyway we both seem pretty sure about our views so perhaps we could make it interesting. Are you a sporting man?

Oh this is gonna be interesting...

Not sure if we are allowed to use PH as a gambling format so perhaps we should confirm by email so PM me. Would suggest a GS in the next 3 years and for a few hundred to make the wait worthwhile! Mind you should be all done by dusted by Jan next year at Melbourne.

[im]

Greenie said:

im said:

Greenie said:

Anyway we both seem pretty sure about our views so perhaps we could make it interesting. Are you a sporting man?

Oh this is gonna be interesting...

Not sure if we are allowed to use PH as a gambling format so perhaps we should confirm by email so PM me. Would suggest a GS in the next 3 years and for a few hundred to make the wait worthwhile! Mind you should be all done by dusted by Jan next year at Melbourne.

Nah - not 3 years...crikey, even I'll win one in that time frame...2 years for £100 to the charity of my/your choice?