Murray's Clearly Not Turning Into Henman mark II
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Jasey@ said:
When he's winning he's "the greatest British hope since nineteen oatcake"
When he's losing he's "That Scottish tw@t"
Says a lot more about England than it does about Andy Murray
my personal opinion of Murray has never changed: he is a miserable git but a great player and I will support him as he is of this fair isle When he's losing he's "That Scottish tw@t"
Says a lot more about England than it does about Andy Murray
I don't think so. He's beaten the best, even if it's "only" over the best of 3. He just needs to consistently get in the last four of majors and get the experience of playing them when they play at full steam.
FWIW I think he will win a slam at some point in his career. He was the US junior champ. It's within him to do it.
I think when I watched Tim play you were hoping the other player wouldn't bring their A game to the court and Tim would have a blinder, one seemed to happen but not both. Andy seems to be able to almost (but not quite atm) play on level terms.
FWIW I think he will win a slam at some point in his career. He was the US junior champ. It's within him to do it.
I think when I watched Tim play you were hoping the other player wouldn't bring their A game to the court and Tim would have a blinder, one seemed to happen but not both. Andy seems to be able to almost (but not quite atm) play on level terms.
chippy17 said:
DJC said:
elster said:
chippy17 said:
and don't get me started on his 'entourage' and/or coaching team, pumping their fists at every point won like a bunch of baboons.
Murray needs a really good coach to sort his technique and head out, get rid of the hangers on and perhaps spend some time away from his predatory shark like mother as well, that would be a start
That damn entourage. All 4 of them, although 1 has never cheered ever. So that is 2 people that celebrate every point won, a bit like the rest of the crowd.Murray needs a really good coach to sort his technique and head out, get rid of the hangers on and perhaps spend some time away from his predatory shark like mother as well, that would be a start
Its not really an entourage is it?
that's another thing, how does Federer remain so fit and injury free, he certainly does not look like a superfit mean machine yet outlasts them all with energy to spare?
ewenm said:
chippy17 said:
DJC said:
elster said:
chippy17 said:
and don't get me started on his 'entourage' and/or coaching team, pumping their fists at every point won like a bunch of baboons.
Murray needs a really good coach to sort his technique and head out, get rid of the hangers on and perhaps spend some time away from his predatory shark like mother as well, that would be a start
That damn entourage. All 4 of them, although 1 has never cheered ever. So that is 2 people that celebrate every point won, a bit like the rest of the crowd.Murray needs a really good coach to sort his technique and head out, get rid of the hangers on and perhaps spend some time away from his predatory shark like mother as well, that would be a start
Its not really an entourage is it?
that's another thing, how does Federer remain so fit and injury free, he certainly does not look like a superfit mean machine yet outlasts them all with energy to spare?
I think you are exaggerating massively tbh
, he is one of the best movers out there, hugely quick around the court and is there at the ball almost telepathically, look at the way he can run around his backhand for those huge forehands and still be back in position just in case it comes back! Just look at Wimbledon last year, Roddick was a mess Federer looked as though he had just gone for a jog round the block
Errr he wasn't good enough on the day, as he says himself.
Not good enough now, especially on clay. What would be good enough for you im? Is it win or nothing? Should he retire now? Or is it the media hype about him you're believing?
Not good enough now, especially on clay. What would be good enough for you im? Is it win or nothing? Should he retire now? Or is it the media hype about him you're believing?
So you judge him against media hype rather than against his competitors? How peculiar.
We'd all like him to win a couple of slams but only those blinded by our notoriously fickle sports media (everyone is either the greatest or rubbish, no middle ground) believe that it's something he should easily achieve.
We'd all like him to win a couple of slams but only those blinded by our notoriously fickle sports media (everyone is either the greatest or rubbish, no middle ground) believe that it's something he should easily achieve.
Plus the fact we are living in an age with probably the most gifted tennis player the world has ever seen, and the only time he ever looses is to Nadal on clay or to Nadal when Nadal is playing out of skin.
Even if Murray had got through yesterday I couldn't seem him beating either of those two men in this tournement.
Even if Murray had got through yesterday I couldn't seem him beating either of those two men in this tournement.
So - can Murray break the British mould and win a Grand Slam tournament?
Better judges of tennis than me think he'll get one some day, but I don't know.
I can't see him ever winning on clay, so that leaves US, Australia or Wimbledon.
The competition's pretty stiff - Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Del Potro, Soderling, etc, etc. Plus quite a few juniors coming through.
Better judges of tennis than me think he'll get one some day, but I don't know.
I can't see him ever winning on clay, so that leaves US, Australia or Wimbledon.
The competition's pretty stiff - Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Del Potro, Soderling, etc, etc. Plus quite a few juniors coming through.
MiniMan64 said:
Plus the fact we are living in an age with probably the most gifted tennis player the world has ever seen, and the only time he ever looses is to Nadal on clay or to Nadal when Nadal is playing out of skin.
Except he is now OUT. Great performance by Soderling. First time in 23 Slams that The Fed has not made the semis - incredible.Just how much longer WILL he go on?
2-3 years? I know he is a class act and all that but he's a legend already ... suppose it depends when he loses that hunger and competitive edge. What gets me though is that he never LOOKS like he has it though - typical Swiss
ViperScot said:
It's telling that Andy's forced into stressing his 'Britishness' these days when he previously was proudly Scottish (which, I assume, he still is). The power of PR and advertising I think!
The power of a pushy public and the bloody media more like. Good grief, I mean how dare he be himself! MiniMan64 said:
ViperScot said:
It's telling that Andy's forced into stressing his 'Britishness' these days when he previously was proudly Scottish (which, I assume, he still is). The power of PR and advertising I think!
The power of a pushy public and the bloody media more like. Good grief, I mean how dare he be himself! This year it's been the "will he bow to the Queen?" media frenzy based on a desperately twisted interpretation of Murray asking what the proper protocol and etiquette is - he didn't say he wouldn't bow, he said he didn't want to get it wrong.
At least our top tennis player is performing well. If only some of those so-called "professional" soccer players could follow suit. A semi-final would have been a good result...
I think Nadal is beatable but Murray needs to get his first serves in. The rest of his game has been working well this fortnight but the first serve percentages have been too variable. With Federer out this is a golden opportunity though.
ViperScot said:
It's telling that Andy's forced into stressing his 'Britishness' these days when he previously was proudly Scottish (which, I assume, he still is). The power of PR and advertising I think!
It is the media who tries to make an issue of this. He has almost always referred to himself as British, even before he became a top flight player.Gassing Station | Sports | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff