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Robbo66
1,509 posts
102 months
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el stovey said: It not blindness to reality. It's not at all unrealistic to expect someone of his ability who has beaten those above him and regularly gets to the last stages of tournaments to win a grand slam at some point. Nobody is saying he's going to win loads or be number one. Unfortunately if/when he does all we'll hear is more chippy spiteful posts from people like you about how all the other players were injured or not up for it. The point is, he's clearly much better than 'Tiger'  Tim ever was. I'm not 'chippy', I'm realistic. He has talent, and it would be good to see him win. However, he acts like a petulant 8 year old when on the ropes, and his demeanour is awful generally, particularly with the press. Not being spiteful as you say, but having a opinion that's different to yours. Imagine him being a Tosnga, a rafa etc. Win the crowd, stop scowling and embrace the fact you are a multi millionaire playing a sport he loves.....or does he ?.
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eps
3,382 posts
138 months
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Well it's not looking too hopeful before Wimbledon... " Andy Murray is beaten by Janko Tipsaravic 6-7 (5-7) 6-4 (10-7) at The Boodles tournament in Buckinghamshire. The British number one has now lost his last two matches on grass, ahead of Wimbledon which gets underway on Monday. " or is he just attempting to lull the other players into a false sense of security?? 
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Justices
2,336 posts
33 months
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This thread has clearly morphed into (as popular threads often do when the original subject is easily exhaustible a general tennis thread. It's kept very much on the original topic however by following Andy's efforts to capture his first slam and his results throughout each season. Ribbing, won/lost wagers and differing of opinions make for a great thread I think. Nobody need agree with my convictions about Andy, but I believe he has everything it takes to get the job of winning a slam done. He has made three slam finals on top of numerous slam semi-finals, for me it's just a matter of time, this he has plenty of. His improvements each season have been very impressive and anyone who knows the game will tell you that consistently putting yourself in contention each time is the best way to win it. He will win it by focusing on and staying with the game plan during the last two matches, it's that simple. If one of the other 3 guys slips up at any, they are gone. Andy has slipped up mentally in a couple and paid the price, the margin for error painfully small in these matches and it often comes down to a few points here and there. As for 2012 Wimbledon, Andy has a rough draw. The only good thing that can come of his path to the semis is that he will be very sharp having dealt with the biggest servers and strongest match players on tour. Making early exits in these pre-Wimbledon grass events may actually benefit him and give him a bit of rest. He's obviously going to be on the practice court in the meantime getting match play so nothing major to worry about. Unless you are on the WTA Tour, there is no such thing as an easy draw in a grand slam. You might have a less difficult draw compared to another player but with ex-champions and top players returning from injury greeting you in the early rounds and the general standard of men's tennis being so high anyone can be beaten. Andy has one of those draws where you need to be on the ball from R1. Not a great deal to worry about as he can take care of anyone when he puts and keeps his mind to it. Still, a friendlier draw would have been nice  Looking at the list below, it's often funny that a man's entire career is defined by winning 7 matches in a row. He's managed 6 in a row three times but that last hurdle is the one that makes the difference in the history books. Likely matches on a run to the finalsR1: Nikolay Davydenko R2: Ivo Karlovic R3: Kevin Anderson R4: Richard Gasquet Q/F: David Ferrer S/F: Rafael Nadal Final: Novak Djokovic Listed below is Andy's Wimbledon record. Every year he has done equal or better so here's hoping he can take at least one more step forward this year and put himself into position to win the title. Andy's Wimbledon Record2005: Third round 2006: Fourth round 2007: Did not play - injured 2008: Quarter-final 2009: Semi-final 2010: Semi-final 2011: Semi-final
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hornetrider
40,785 posts
74 months
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He'll never, ever beat two out of Nadal, Fed and Djokovic in the same slam. If he gets to the semis (doubtful in the form he is in) then that'll be the end of his tournament.
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Robbo66
1,509 posts
102 months
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I would put Ferer and Tsonga above him, possibly Del Potro too, in addition to the top 3. I would also put his 'mental ability' in their too, which I believe is his major opponent.
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chippy17
3,401 posts
112 months
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Robbo66 said: I would put Ferer and Tsonga above him, possibly Del Potro too, in addition to the top 3. I would also put his 'mental ability' in their too, which I believe is his major opponent. I agree Murray also has some technical flaws, namely 2nd serve and forehand, once he irons those out I think he has a chance
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Justices
2,336 posts
33 months
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Robbo66 said: I would also put his 'mental ability' in their too, which I believe is his major opponent.  Literally playing two opponents in matches he really needs to be 100% focused with no slip-ups. Ferrer looking VERY good right now, maturing perfectly and loving life. Someone send a message to SW19 for Federer. Roger needs to remember that, tennis players have feelings too. Poor old Ramos on the receiving end there yesterday, poor bugger.. Infamy for a sadistic thrashing on Youtube awaits..
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ijm
Original Poster
27,925 posts
86 months
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I'm thinking Qtr final at best this year.
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ViperPict
8,425 posts
106 months
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Destroying Davydenko right now...
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Justices
2,336 posts
33 months
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A case of, copy and paste. Although Roger, Novak and Nadal will have a few answers and pose a few questions. Unless you are Andy, you've got to feel something for old Davy out there. He's not going to get the most outstanding cheque for this beating either.
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Justices
2,336 posts
33 months
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Tricky opponent. Fail to hold serve and weight is suddenly on your shoulders. Don't break break and you are playing a tiebreak, which you really want to avoid. Another job well done by Andy at SW19.
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London424
2,742 posts
44 months
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Justices said: Tricky opponent. Fail to hold serve and weight is suddenly on your shoulders. Don't break break and you are playing a tiebreak, which you really want to avoid. Another job well done by Andy at SW19. I like reading the hope in your posts, unfortunately these early round matches haven't been his problem, it's when the big guns appear on the scene.
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ijm
Original Poster
27,925 posts
86 months
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Yeah - he almost always makes week 2.
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Justices
2,336 posts
33 months
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Got to get to the big guns each and every time to test yourself, which he does. He can only ever meet the top 3 in semis/finals, and sadly his mind usually lets go about then  I do know that he has a plan to counteract that for that this tournament. Whether he follows it is another thing. As I mentioned before, an awkward draw like this will only serve to toughen him up mentally should he reach the semis/finals. If anyone is going to really annoy you, it's a man who serves as if he were perched atop a tree which little else in his weaponry that gives no end of headache. A few sloppy returns and that could have gone the other way in a few tiebreaks.
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eps
3,382 posts
138 months
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Justices said: Got to get to the big guns each and every time to test yourself, which he does. He can only ever meet the top 3 in semis/finals, and sadly his mind usually lets go about then  I do know that he has a plan to counteract that for that this tournament. Whether he follows it is another thing. As I mentioned before, an awkward draw like this will only serve to toughen him up mentally should he reach the semis/finals. If anyone is going to really annoy you, it's a man who serves as if he were perched atop a tree which little else in his weaponry that gives no end of headache. A few sloppy returns and that could have gone the other way in a few tiebreaks. Not this time..! The Nadal match was stunning to watch!
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ijm
Original Poster
27,925 posts
86 months
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With Nadal out did the draw just open up for the sour scottish git to walk straight through to the final?
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hornetrider
40,785 posts
74 months
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ijm said: With Nadal out did the draw just open up for the sour scottish git to walk straight through to the final? Looks like. Unless.... *choke*
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Justices
2,336 posts
33 months
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Ferrer still dangerous but not as stable on grass as he is clay and hard. This is to Andy what Sampras going out early was to Tim, he won't need to play at his very highest level twice in a row if he is to win this now. Fed/Novak will take care of each other.. really couldn't have worked out better for him. Still, a lot of work to do before then though..
I still cannot get over some of Rosol's shots. I doubt Rafa will be sleeping easy tonight. First time in 7 years he's been beaten at this stage. Incredible record in itself. Wimbledon just sensational this year.
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Ali2202
2,741 posts
73 months
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ijm said: With Nadal out did the draw just open up for the sour scottish git to walk straight through to the final? You're not coming across as very positive yourself Fella! Bigoted even..... Murray takes his tennis very seriously but also shows the pressure he's feeling more than the top 3. Aside from the childish 'anyone but England' comment from a few years back he's been a pretty good ambassador for the sport and really is a genuinely friendly bloke when not under the glare. He's not a fan of the press either but who can blame him? Cheer Up! 
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ijm
Original Poster
27,925 posts
86 months
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Ali2202 said: ijm said: With Nadal out did the draw just open up for the sour scottish git to walk straight through to the final? You're not coming across as very positive yourself Fella! Bigoted even..... Well looking on the basis of rankings he just got handed a berth in the final of this years Wimbledon...what could possibly go wrong 
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