Murray's Clearly Not Turning Into Henman mark II
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He'll win the US Open one day soon.
Federer's form and motivation seems to be dipping and Nadal isn't as good on hard courts as he is on grass and clay (firm surfaces not great for his knees?).
Murray and Del Potro are the best on hard courts imo and the latter has suffered a serious wrist injury so who knows what he'll be like when he returns.
Murray has already had a pretty good career though. 14 titles including several 'master series' ones and over 10 million dollars in prize money (you could probably add another 10m for endorsements) and he's only just turned 23.
He'll retire in his mid 30s with several dozen titles, at least 2 grand slams and over 50 million quid in the bank so I don't think he'll have many regrets.
He's not one of my favourite players on tour but he deserves more credit than he's getting on here.
Federer's form and motivation seems to be dipping and Nadal isn't as good on hard courts as he is on grass and clay (firm surfaces not great for his knees?).
Murray and Del Potro are the best on hard courts imo and the latter has suffered a serious wrist injury so who knows what he'll be like when he returns.
Murray has already had a pretty good career though. 14 titles including several 'master series' ones and over 10 million dollars in prize money (you could probably add another 10m for endorsements) and he's only just turned 23.
He'll retire in his mid 30s with several dozen titles, at least 2 grand slams and over 50 million quid in the bank so I don't think he'll have many regrets.
He's not one of my favourite players on tour but he deserves more credit than he's getting on here.
5unny said:
He'll win the US Open one day soon.
Federer's form and motivation seems to be dipping and Nadal isn't as good on hard courts as he is on grass and clay (firm surfaces not great for his knees?).
Murray and Del Potro are the best on hard courts imo and the latter has suffered a serious wrist injury so who knows what he'll be like when he returns.
Murray has already had a pretty good career though. 14 titles including several 'master series' ones and over 10 million dollars in prize money (you could probably add another 10m for endorsements) and he's only just turned 23.
He'll retire in his mid 30s with several dozen titles, at least 2 grand slams and over 50 million quid in the bank so I don't think he'll have many regrets.
He's not one of my favourite players on tour but he deserves more credit than he's getting on here.
he'd better as i doubt he will get any post playing sponsorship deals or a job in commentating...Federer's form and motivation seems to be dipping and Nadal isn't as good on hard courts as he is on grass and clay (firm surfaces not great for his knees?).
Murray and Del Potro are the best on hard courts imo and the latter has suffered a serious wrist injury so who knows what he'll be like when he returns.
Murray has already had a pretty good career though. 14 titles including several 'master series' ones and over 10 million dollars in prize money (you could probably add another 10m for endorsements) and he's only just turned 23.
He'll retire in his mid 30s with several dozen titles, at least 2 grand slams and over 50 million quid in the bank so I don't think he'll have many regrets.
He's not one of my favourite players on tour but he deserves more credit than he's getting on here.
im said:
MiniMan64 said:
im said:
eps said:
Define crash out???
I won't have to - give it till about 4:30 this afternoon...
The title of this thread is still very much valid I'm afraid.
Edited by ewenm on Sunday 11th July 19:27
ewenm said:
He's just beaten Nadal (semi) and Federer (final) to win the Toronto Masters (hard court). Can he carry the form into the US Open?
Let's hope so! Although those two do have the eek out that little extra in the Slams and of course Slams are best of 5, not 3 sets.Murray was Junior US champion not that long ago though wasn't he? 2004 Boys winner. 2005 beat Tim Henman.
eps said:
ewenm said:
He's just beaten Nadal (semi) and Federer (final) to win the Toronto Masters (hard court). Can he carry the form into the US Open?
Let's hope so! Although those two do have the eek out that little extra in the Slams and of course Slams are best of 5, not 3 sets.Murray was Junior US champion not that long ago though wasn't he? 2004 Boys winner. 2005 beat Tim Henman.
Zod said:
I hope I eat my words, but he seems unable to do the job in the grand slams, whereas Federer and Nadal seem to find an extra gear for those while not caring so much about the lesser events.
this is exactly how I see it, although I think that both Nadal and Federer are actually better than Murray.Murray does well when it's best of 3, but when the chips are down in the GS, he gets made to look ordinary - Federer took him to school in the Aus Open Final, as did Nadal at Wimbledon.
harry010 said:
Zod said:
I hope I eat my words, but he seems unable to do the job in the grand slams, whereas Federer and Nadal seem to find an extra gear for those while not caring so much about the lesser events.
this is exactly how I see it, although I think that both Nadal and Federer are actually better than Murray.Murray does well when it's best of 3, but when the chips are down in the GS, he gets made to look ordinary - Federer took him to school in the Aus Open Final, as did Nadal at Wimbledon.
elster said:
Jasey@ said:
elster said:
ViperScot said:
It's telling that Andy's forced into stressing his 'Britishness' these days when he previously was proudly Scottish (which, I assume, he still is). The power of PR and advertising I think!
It is the media who tries to make an issue of this. He has almost always referred to himself as British, even before he became a top flight player.
.Some of the old Scots do (Scottish first then British) - but the youngsters see themselves as Scottish.
Edited by Jasey@ on Thursday 1st July 21:31
In fact I can only see football fans being the exception.
I do support Scottish football both national and international teams, but in the World cup I did want Englan to get to the final (just not win
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t at the moment.There is nothing physically or technically stopping AM winning a Grand Slam event; the guy is absurdly athletic and evidently has the aggressive, genuinely skilled game Henners never remotely possessed.
However, these continued falls are extremely frustrating and it raises the question of psychological pressure.
Somewhere, even at a subconscious level, is the concept of actually doing the mega biz pushing some kind of self defeat switch?
If you listen to 'The Mac' espouse on the failings of Britishers in the game, he makes a great play on this area.
It's not dissimilar to the footballists; they are, in fact, bloody superb, technically but suffer a seemingly continual failure to deliver when it really counts.
Fault lies directly with (a) "bloody Wilson" and (b) Anne Robinson.
However, these continued falls are extremely frustrating and it raises the question of psychological pressure.
Somewhere, even at a subconscious level, is the concept of actually doing the mega biz pushing some kind of self defeat switch?
If you listen to 'The Mac' espouse on the failings of Britishers in the game, he makes a great play on this area.
It's not dissimilar to the footballists; they are, in fact, bloody superb, technically but suffer a seemingly continual failure to deliver when it really counts.
Fault lies directly with (a) "bloody Wilson" and (b) Anne Robinson.
derestrictor said:
There is nothing ...... technically stopping AM winning a Grand Slam event; .
except there is, ability wise he maybe scrapes the top 10 as a player. he's number 4 because he works exceptionally hard and bar nadal is the fittest player on the circuit. there are many many more talented players than Murray inc the swiss he lost to last night.
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