Murray's Clearly Not Turning Into Henman mark II

[elster]

ascayman said:

derestrictor said:

There is nothing ...... technically stopping AM winning a Grand Slam event; .

except there is, ability wise he maybe scrapes the top 10 as a player. he's number 4 because he works exceptionally hard and bar nadal is the fittest player on the circuit.

there are many many more talented players than Murray inc the swiss he lost to last night.

Huh?

On clay then yes, but on hard surface Murray is the superior player.

I think it is just a mental thing, I don't think his coaches have been the right people for the job. I don't think the change will make much difference as it takes years to build up a relationship.

[chippy17]

elster said:

ascayman said:

derestrictor said:

There is nothing ...... technically stopping AM winning a Grand Slam event; .

except there is, ability wise he maybe scrapes the top 10 as a player. he's number 4 because he works exceptionally hard and bar nadal is the fittest player on the circuit.

there are many many more talented players than Murray inc the swiss he lost to last night.

Huh?

On clay then yes, but on hard surface Murray is the superior player.

I think it is just a mental thing, I don't think his coaches have been the right people for the job. I don't think the change will make much difference as it takes years to build up a relationship.

well Murray seems good at the masters events and not so good when it comes to grand slams, perhaps he just cannot play 5 setters, Fed/Nadal seem to save their best for grand slams Murry almost seems to do the opposite...or perhaps Fed/Nadal not trying as hard makes Murray look better then he actually is?

[im]

Just heard Annabel Croft and Rusedski implying that Murray realistically only has 12 months left to fulfill his potential and win a slam or the next generation of players will be on him.

[Castrol Craig]

wll, he just beat fed.....

[JNW1]

Castrol Craig said:

wll, he just beat fed.....

Yep and Federer didn't get enough games to win one set never mind two so sounds like a pretty comprehensive victory! Having said that these best of three set Masters events are a different kettle of fish from a Grand Slam but there's no doubt Murray has the game to win a slam if he plays to his strengths and doesn't go into defensive "wait for the opponent to make a mistake" mode.

Bit off thread but, despite being a great fan of Federer, can he really be thought of as the greatest of all time when he hasn't even got a winning record against some of his peers from the same era? I always think comparisons across the generations are a tad meaningless but to claim to be the best ever shouldn't you at least have a winning record against the other top players you were competing against? Nadal's had Fed's number for a while and, while Murray hasn't done so well against him in the Grand Slams, he's beaten Federer far more times than he's lost to him!

Edited by JNW1 on Sunday 17th October 13:20

Edited by JNW1 on Sunday 17th October 13:21

[amare32]

JNW1 said:

Castrol Craig said:

wll, he just beat fed.....

Yep and Federer didn't get enough games to win one set never mind two so sounds like a pretty comprehensive victory! Having said that these best of three set Masters events are a different kettle of fish from a Grand Slam but there's no doubt Murray has the game to win a slam if he plays to his strengths and doesn't go into defensive "wait for the opponent to make a mistake" mode.

Bit off thread but, despite being a great fan of Federer, can he really be thought of as the greatest of all time when he hasn't even got a winning record against some of his peers from the same era? I always think comparisons across the generations are a tad meaningless but to claim to be the best ever shouldn't you at least have a winning record against the other top players you were competing against? Nadal's had Fed's number for a while and, while Murray hasn't done so well against him in the Grand Slams, he's beaten Federer far more times than he's lost to him!

Edited by JNW1 on Sunday 17th October 13:20

Edited by JNW1 on Sunday 17th October 13:21

It's all and well having a winning record but Murray has got to take the same game he's played in the Masters 1000 series and apply it in slams!

[JNW1]

amare32 said:

It's all and well having a winning record but Murray has got to take the same game he's played in the Masters 1000 series and apply it in slams!

Totally agree (hence the comments in my first paragraph) but by all accounts Murray played very well today and deserves credit for that!

[derestrictor]

One of the things I always felt the likes of Henman lacked was an Olympian's physique but Murray appears extremely althetic; indeed, increasingly so.

I'm convinced he has the technique and power to drive a Nadal into a Grand Slam defeat so all that remains is mental conditioning...

[MiniMan64]

Castrol Craig said:

wll, he just beat fed.....

...over three sets which he has done many many times before. Same as Nadal.

Until he gets the head together for five sets it ain't gonna happen.

[hidetheelephants]

derestrictor said:

Fault lies directly with (a) "bloody Wilson" and (b) Anne Robinson.

[amare32]

MiniMan64 said:

Castrol Craig said:

wll, he just beat fed.....

...over three sets which he has done many many times before. Same as Nadal.

Until he gets the head together for five sets it ain't gonna happen.

Same thing used to happen to Nadal when he was routinely spanked by Federer until he adapted his game.

[im]

So then...any Murray supporters care to stick their neck out and declare this is tournament where he'll finally win a Grand Slam and come out from behind the shadow of Henman?

[anonymous-user]

Did he steal your girlfriend at school or something?

[ViperPict]

im said:

So then...any Murray supporters care to stick their neck out and declare this is tournament where he'll finally win a Grand Slam and come out from behind the shadow of Henman?

Henman is already in Murray's shadow. A nice guy but he was never ranked in the top 5 for any extended period such as Murray. Henman would be the first to agree too!

[im]

el stovey said:

Did he steal your girlfriend at school or something?

Nah.

He just got trumpeted by everyone (including some on here - but mainly the media) as the 'real deal'.

[exocet ape]

If Murray had been around in Henmans era he would have been a multiple slam winner.

[anonymous-user]

im said:

el stovey said:

Did he steal your girlfriend at school or something?

Nah.

He just got trumpeted by everyone (including some on here - but mainly the media) as the 'real deal'.

If you're British and like to support British Tennis players, then surely he's the best player for decades. You don't honestly think Henman was better do you?

[im]

el stovey said:

im said:

el stovey said:

Did he steal your girlfriend at school or something?

Nah.

He just got trumpeted by everyone (including some on here - but mainly the media) as the 'real deal'.

If you're British and like to support British Tennis players, then surely he's the best player for decades. You don't honestly think Henman was better do you?

No I don't think Henman was better. Murray is clearly better, just not by much.

[ViperPict]

im said:

el stovey said:

im said:

el stovey said:

Did he steal your girlfriend at school or something?

Nah.

He just got trumpeted by everyone (including some on here - but mainly the media) as the 'real deal'.

If you're British and like to support British Tennis players, then surely he's the best player for decades. You don't honestly think Henman was better do you?

No I don't think Henman was better. Murray is clearly better, just not by much.

If he's not better by much, how can he be clearly better?!

[JNW1]

im said:

So then...any Murray supporters care to stick their neck out and declare this is tournament where he'll finally win a Grand Slam and come out from behind the shadow of Henman?

Wouldn't say I'm Murray's greatest fan but I think he's got an excellent chance this week. The surface suits his game and I just detect that Nadal and especially Federer aren't quite at their best so far this tournament; reckon it could be a Murray/Djokovic final and if it is I think Murray will win!