Murray's Clearly Not Turning Into Henman mark II

Murray's Clearly Not Turning Into Henman mark II

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amare32

2,417 posts

222 months

Saturday 30th January 2010
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How do people figure he didn't want to associate himself with the English? Wasn't he snaking an English bird recently? And no to the original question, he's not Henman mark II - he's already reached 2 grand slam finals and amassed more ATP titles than Tiger (timid) Tim.

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 30th January 2010
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Rocky Balboa said:
Zod said:
Why? Are you Swiss or a ?
No i'm English. laugh So sad to see people supporting one of the biggest cocks in sport with the personality of a dead fish, just because he's 'British'.
I know! I can't believe how sad it is that British tennis fans want to support the only decent British player in decades. What are they thinking! FFS.

I'm sure if they all knew him as well as you do then they'd obviously overlook his ability and just support someone else who you think is a bit less cockish?

im

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34,302 posts

216 months

Monday 1st February 2010
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Murray: Serial Bridesmaid.

Spiritual_Beggar

4,833 posts

193 months

Monday 1st February 2010
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Murray...Henman mk 2...this is a joke right?

Murray is miles better than Henman, and if he had met anybody else in the final he would have won.


But he played the BEST PLAYER EVER to play the game. And he was on form. No chance.

Ok, he had 2 chances to take the 3rd set, but we've seen what happens when Federer loses a set in a final.....he comes out even stronger in the next set. Only exception to that has been Nadal.....and he was something special as well...until his knee problems kicked in.


You can count on one hand the amount of people who have won a Grandslam in Federer's reign....and still have a finger or two to spare......so it's not like Murray is alone on this.

The ONLY person to beat Federer in a final, has been Nadal.

Murray will win a Grandslam. He, and everybody else, just need to hope that he's not playing Fed in the final smile

DJC

23,563 posts

235 months

Monday 1st February 2010
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Ive gotta say, folk are being a bit harsh on the Scottish whinger.

He just ran into probably the best player of the game there has been and he was playing very near his best. Who would have stood a chance of taking Fed to 5 sets on that performance?

Laver.
Borg.
Mac.
Edberg.
Becker.
Lendl.
Samprass.
Agassi.
Nadal.

That is a pretty bloody select list and Im not sure Lendl, Becker and Edberg would have been able to defeat Fed in that kind of mood.

Murray is almost the very best in the world, he just isnt one of the very best there has ever been. Cut the kid some slack.

The Prophet

129 posts

177 months

Monday 1st February 2010
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Spiritual_Beggar said:
The ONLY person to beat Federer in a final, has been Nadal.
I agree with everything you said except that.

Del Potro beat Federer in the final of the US Open last year.

(sorry for being pedantic)

elster

17,517 posts

209 months

Monday 1st February 2010
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DJC said:
Ive gotta say, folk are being a bit harsh on the Scottish whinger.

He just ran into probably the best player of the game there has been and he was playing very near his best. Who would have stood a chance of taking Fed to 5 sets on that performance?

Laver.
Borg.
Mac.
Edberg.
Becker.
Lendl.
Samprass.
Agassi.
Nadal.

That is a pretty bloody select list and Im not sure Lendl, Becker and Edberg would have been able to defeat Fed in that kind of mood.

Murray is almost the very best in the world, he just isnt one of the very best there has ever been. Cut the kid some slack.
Well as Agassi and Samprass have both said they couldn't keep up with a modern game you can scrap the entire list excpet Nadal.

MiniMan64

16,863 posts

189 months

Monday 1st February 2010
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As good as those guys are, on the form from Sunday, I don't think any of them could live with him.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 1st February 2010
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i feel so sorry for murray, he makes one comment about FOOTBALL, which was almost certainly tongue in cheek, and everyone uses it as an excuse to hate him and mock him when he can only finish runner up in a majot tournament....

my only question is how these people who get such a kick from hating him get their knuckles from the floor to their desk (unless of course they keep the keyboard on the floor?)

ewenm

28,506 posts

244 months

Monday 1st February 2010
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To beat Federer, not only does the opponent need to play superbly, but Federer also needs to have a bad day. If the opponent is playing superbly and yet Federer plays superbly as well, then it is likely that Federer will still win - there tends to be one of those players a generation, and everyone else has the misfortune of it not being them.

DJC

23,563 posts

235 months

Monday 1st February 2010
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elster said:
DJC said:
Ive gotta say, folk are being a bit harsh on the Scottish whinger.

He just ran into probably the best player of the game there has been and he was playing very near his best. Who would have stood a chance of taking Fed to 5 sets on that performance?

Laver.
Borg.
Mac.
Edberg.
Becker.
Lendl.
Samprass.
Agassi.
Nadal.

That is a pretty bloody select list and Im not sure Lendl, Becker and Edberg would have been able to defeat Fed in that kind of mood.

Murray is almost the very best in the world, he just isnt one of the very best there has ever been. Cut the kid some slack.
Well as Agassi and Samprass have both said they couldn't keep up with a modern game you can scrap the entire list excpet Nadal.
You play to the standards available.

Ive little doubt of that list, had:

Borg
Mac
Laver
Samprass
Agassi

been born into the Fed generation then they would have attained his standards, each of them was as brilliant as you could be. Somewhat interestingly you have opposing characters there, taking out Laver as he had pretty much no equal. Borg was the all-encompassing Master who folk regarded as playing close to a perfect game...and it took some angst ridden genius closer to tortured-soul Renaissance Grand Master than to a tennis player to beat him. Samprass was the perfectionist machine who could play or grind anyone else into the dust and the only guy who could stand against him on his own terms was the gun slinging kid who had plumbed the depths and heights of his own soul. Two perfectionists and 2 mavericks.

chippy17

3,740 posts

242 months

Monday 1st February 2010
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Rocky Balboa said:
I hope Federer kicks his miserable scottish ass into oblivion!
well I can agree that he is a miserable git, deeply unattactive in all ways EXCEPT he is a very good tennis player indeed (if a little stiff and lacking flow and way too defensive), he has just moved up to 3 in the world thanks to that performance

now he is British and yes I also watch tennis without really thinking about where the players come from, but sport does have an effect on the national psyche, so it would be great for this nation to actually have a grand slam winner, in the same way it would be great if we win the world cup again

but as long as the great man is still around everyone will struggle to win grand slams

eta the game needs a certain man back to full fitness as he is the only man to have got under Feder's skin

Edited by chippy17 on Monday 1st February 13:10

chippy17

3,740 posts

242 months

Monday 1st February 2010
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and don't get me started on his 'entourage' and/or coaching team, pumping their fists at every point won like a bunch of baboons.

Murray needs a really good coach to sort his technique and head out, get rid of the hangers on and perhaps spend some time away from his predatory shark like mother as well, that would be a start


Spiritual_Beggar

4,833 posts

193 months

Monday 1st February 2010
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The Prophet said:
Spiritual_Beggar said:
The ONLY person to beat Federer in a final, has been Nadal.
I agree with everything you said except that.

Del Potro beat Federer in the final of the US Open last year.

(sorry for being pedantic)
Yup, you're right.

Quite forgot about Del Potro.

We shouldn't though....since he is probably Murray's biggest obstacle, or will be in the coming years.

Leithen

10,800 posts

266 months

Monday 1st February 2010
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Spiritual_Beggar said:
The Prophet said:
Spiritual_Beggar said:
The ONLY person to beat Federer in a final, has been Nadal.
I agree with everything you said except that.

Del Potro beat Federer in the final of the US Open last year.

(sorry for being pedantic)
Yup, you're right.

Quite forgot about Del Potro.

We shouldn't though....since he is probably Murray's biggest obstacle, or will be in the coming years.
Del Potro has got the guns to overpower anyone, problem is when they aren't firing properly, he doesn't have much to fall back on, + his fitness remains a question.

In the cold light of day, Murray shouldn't be overly concerned about missing out on a Slam this time - he proved that he's adaptable and is still learning. As long as he can avoid Nadal's worrying physical fragility, I'd put money on him winning several Slam events - certainly Australia and US. Wimbledon and Paris are different beasts, and given a bit of luck there's no reason why he couldn't nail those either.

YAD061

39,731 posts

283 months

Monday 1st February 2010
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Leithen said:
there's no reason why he couldn't nail those either.
up and coming young guns?

elster

17,517 posts

209 months

Tuesday 2nd February 2010
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chippy17 said:
and don't get me started on his 'entourage' and/or coaching team, pumping their fists at every point won like a bunch of baboons.

Murray needs a really good coach to sort his technique and head out, get rid of the hangers on and perhaps spend some time away from his predatory shark like mother as well, that would be a start
That damn entourage. All 4 of them, although 1 has never cheered ever. So that is 2 people that celebrate every point won, a bit like the rest of the crowd.

DJC

23,563 posts

235 months

Tuesday 2nd February 2010
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elster said:
chippy17 said:
and don't get me started on his 'entourage' and/or coaching team, pumping their fists at every point won like a bunch of baboons.

Murray needs a really good coach to sort his technique and head out, get rid of the hangers on and perhaps spend some time away from his predatory shark like mother as well, that would be a start
That damn entourage. All 4 of them, although 1 has never cheered ever. So that is 2 people that celebrate every point won, a bit like the rest of the crowd.
Hehe. Miles Mac his coach. Jez Greenwood is it? He is the guy who is his fitness and conditioning coach and has been the main guy in turning him into the new superfit lean machine with the stamina to play multiple 4hrs 5 set matches. Who is the other one? His mum?

Its not really an entourage is it?

chippy17

3,740 posts

242 months

Tuesday 2nd February 2010
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DJC said:
elster said:
chippy17 said:
and don't get me started on his 'entourage' and/or coaching team, pumping their fists at every point won like a bunch of baboons.

Murray needs a really good coach to sort his technique and head out, get rid of the hangers on and perhaps spend some time away from his predatory shark like mother as well, that would be a start
That damn entourage. All 4 of them, although 1 has never cheered ever. So that is 2 people that celebrate every point won, a bit like the rest of the crowd.
Hehe. Miles Mac his coach. Jez Greenwood is it? He is the guy who is his fitness and conditioning coach and has been the main guy in turning him into the new superfit lean machine with the stamina to play multiple 4hrs 5 set matches. Who is the other one? His mum?

Its not really an entourage is it?
lol yes fair enough not quite the entourage, he has cut this down a lot. They were still pumping there arms a lot though, it's the pumping fist clenching that gets to me, illogical maybe but it is so base! Clearly not enough stamina to stay with Federer for 3 sets, he looked shattered after two

that's another thing, how does Federer remain so fit and injury free, he certainly does not look like a superfit mean machine yet outlasts them all with energy to spare?


Edited by chippy17 on Tuesday 2nd February 10:51

Jasey@

4,823 posts

177 months

Tuesday 2nd February 2010
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When he's winning he's "the greatest British hope since nineteen oatcake"

When he's losing he's "That Scottish tw@t"

Says a lot more about England than it does about Andy Murray wink