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Hang about...you're back a bit early aren't you?!?! Wasn't expecting to hear from you again until 16 May 2015...!
On 16 May 2014 menousername said:
re. Khan I am happy to be proven wrong
lets come back this time next year and see if he has actually faught anyone since Collazo, let alone a big dog in the weight. I wish we could come back in a year and see he has blown away 3 top dogs but I feel he will chase a Mayweather cash-out for another year of inactivity
He himself said he wanted to be retired by 30, he is 27 and fights once a year... he will be looking for a cash-out with Mayweather and nothing more
lets come back this time next year and see if he has actually faught anyone since Collazo, let alone a big dog in the weight. I wish we could come back in a year and see he has blown away 3 top dogs but I feel he will chase a Mayweather cash-out for another year of inactivity
He himself said he wanted to be retired by 30, he is 27 and fights once a year... he will be looking for a cash-out with Mayweather and nothing more
Edited by Yiliterate on Sunday 14th September 23:29
menousername said:
Let's stop talking him up - vs mayweather?? What has he done to suggest he is even close to on that level
Handed a beating to the man Mayweather has just fought twiceAnd apparently did a better job of it than Mayweather did.
The woobly leg finish was obviously a Khan trade mark.
But he put Maidana down with a bodyshot and hurt him way beyond anything that mayweather achieved.
It was intresting to see that Mayweather lookded a little dazed at the end of round 3, and i feel it could have been worse had the round not just ended.
Mayweather can be hurt. I feel a Khan vs Mayweather bout would be intresting.
Plenty of respect would be given each way, and they would both have obvious game plans. It would just come down to who landed the first hurtful punch.
I believe it would be a 50/50 chance of each winning.
Would love to see Mayweather beaten, purely for the reason he fights for his own end.
Which is understandable. But to be a true great sometimes you have to risk it all and fight the people the public want you to fight.
Edited by mikebradford on Sunday 14th September 23:38
menousername said:
Nk offence but come on...
Khan still doing nothing at the bottom of the division waiting for a payday.
Let's stop talking him up - vs mayweather?? What has he done to suggest he is even close to on that level
don't get me wrong, i'm not saying he would win versus mayweather .....but I think he'd do well for a few rounds.but then, what if he started catching mayweather repeatedly?? maidana is so crude he wasn't connecting properly and still had Floyd's legs gone in the dying seconds of the third. if khan was catching him you could bet it would be accurately....and like it or not he packs a strong punch in either hand.Khan still doing nothing at the bottom of the division waiting for a payday.
Let's stop talking him up - vs mayweather?? What has he done to suggest he is even close to on that level
you can say he's languishing around at the bottom of the division but as you know he's new to the weight. go and look at the light welter rankings and he's beaten most of them. danny Garcia has gone on to be an absolute beast at light welter but if you rewatch his fight with khan he was absolutely, resolutely getting embarrassed.......until he found a home for that left hook. he couldn't do a thing with khan until amir got stupid (again) and got sloppy.
his performance against collazo up at welter was fantastic and don't forget collazo is a huge welter coming off his career best win..
brook / khan would be a very 50/50 fight (I think i'd favour khan...just) and the ring magazine has khan rated at #9 while brook is rated at #4..khan has aready beaten maidana (rated #5) and i'd favour him over Bradley and marquez(#2 and #3 respectively)
the point I was really making was that mayweather wants to generally fight the slower guys. he doesn't like mad pressure volume fighters( where was he when pacquiao/morales/barrera and co. were tearing lumps out of each other??) and he's not one for taking on the super quick guys.
Floyd's fought a lot of bums but there are some very good wins on that resume too. corrales stands out as a guy in his prime who Floyd went up against and won. lots of the other victories were flawed, such as a total shell of gatti
Can't argue with any of that.
I thought Maidana would have the best chance of beating Mayweather in recent years, but Mayweather had a game plan and sussed him out. That's the great thing about Mayweather, he is adaptable. He often goes into a fight with plan A and when that's not proving effective enough (it often is though) then he has many back-up plans.
Against Khan he would prepare for the faster guy and come up with a plan to deal with it. We haven't seen such an approach from him recently, but then he hasn't needed to do it. Doesn't mean he can't though.
The Mayweather we saw this weekend would have been sprayed with shots from Khan. But a different Mayweather would turn up if Khan was the opponent.
Would still be a great fight!
Regarding Brook-Khan. My money would be on Khan too. Brook doesn't move enough to cope, in my eyes. But it would be a close call.
I thought Maidana would have the best chance of beating Mayweather in recent years, but Mayweather had a game plan and sussed him out. That's the great thing about Mayweather, he is adaptable. He often goes into a fight with plan A and when that's not proving effective enough (it often is though) then he has many back-up plans.
Against Khan he would prepare for the faster guy and come up with a plan to deal with it. We haven't seen such an approach from him recently, but then he hasn't needed to do it. Doesn't mean he can't though.
The Mayweather we saw this weekend would have been sprayed with shots from Khan. But a different Mayweather would turn up if Khan was the opponent.
Would still be a great fight!
Regarding Brook-Khan. My money would be on Khan too. Brook doesn't move enough to cope, in my eyes. But it would be a close call.
I think you're right mate. if I had to put my house on it i'd back mayweather as 47 times he's managed to find a way (how many of those 47 were even slightly competitive is a different matter)......but the bit that irks me with him is that if he sees any chance of defeat he swerves the fight. lets call it as it is.....even now with pac man YEARS past his prime Floyd is still scared of losing to him. he's not scared of manny the fighter...he's scared of the perceived threat that pacquiao poses. ie. crazy volumes and in and out angles all night long. if they had fought 5 /6 years ago i'd have heavily favoured manny. now , no , but i'd still want to see it as pacquiao has a good chance even in 2014/2015.
Edited by tuscaneer on Monday 15th September 08:28
Yiliterate said:
Edited by Yiliterate on Sunday 14th September 23:29
like I said I would love nothing more than for Khan to take on the big guns and earn the fight then we could get behind him
Kell Brook lead by example - bad news on his attack though
lets see Khan fight Brook... Porter... Thurman... rematch Maidana who has improved immensely since they last fought
Jesus lets see him fight someone soon... he is barely fighting once a year if you average his last few years out and padding out his CV big time
I think Maidana wobbled Mayweather in the 3rd through an accurate, timed, heavy power shot... it wasn't a mis-timed mis-hit shot due to him being crude it was a full on timed power shot. Maidana is known as a heavy hitter and he has been working on his timing and technique and it shows. Still a bit rough around the edges but an altogether different animal to the guy Khan fought. I think its more a case we should be giving credit to Maidana rather than suggesting Mayweather is fading. He brought pressure, power, timing and speed (and a dirty slugfest but that was his best option)
Maybe Khan can take Mayweather. Maybe he can take them all. But I do not see him actually stepping up and challening anyone.... waited so long to see it... its never coming... doubt he will fight Brook... doubt he will fight Porter... doubt he will do anything other than wait on a Mayweather payday. I hope I'm wrong but I doubt I am... he needs to set out a 1 year plan of 3 big names to earn the shot
Jesus lets see him fight someone soon... he is barely fighting once a year if you average his last few years out and padding out his CV big time
I think Maidana wobbled Mayweather in the 3rd through an accurate, timed, heavy power shot... it wasn't a mis-timed mis-hit shot due to him being crude it was a full on timed power shot. Maidana is known as a heavy hitter and he has been working on his timing and technique and it shows. Still a bit rough around the edges but an altogether different animal to the guy Khan fought. I think its more a case we should be giving credit to Maidana rather than suggesting Mayweather is fading. He brought pressure, power, timing and speed (and a dirty slugfest but that was his best option)
Maybe Khan can take Mayweather. Maybe he can take them all. But I do not see him actually stepping up and challening anyone.... waited so long to see it... its never coming... doubt he will fight Brook... doubt he will fight Porter... doubt he will do anything other than wait on a Mayweather payday. I hope I'm wrong but I doubt I am... he needs to set out a 1 year plan of 3 big names to earn the shot
menousername said:
lets see Khan fight Brook... Porter... Thurman... rematch Maidana who has improved immensely since they last fought
Jesus lets see him fight someone soon... he is barely fighting once a year if you average his last few years out and padding out his CV big time
I think Maidana wobbled Mayweather in the 3rd through an accurate, timed, heavy power shot... it wasn't a mis-timed mis-hit shot due to him being crude it was a full on timed power shot. Maidana is known as a heavy hitter and he has been working on his timing and technique and it shows. Still a bit rough around the edges but an altogether different animal to the guy Khan fought. I think its more a case we should be giving credit to Maidana rather than suggesting Mayweather is fading. He brought pressure, power, timing and speed (and a dirty slugfest but that was his best option)
Maybe Khan can take Mayweather. Maybe he can take them all. But I do not see him actually stepping up and challening anyone.... waited so long to see it... its never coming... doubt he will fight Brook... doubt he will fight Porter... doubt he will do anything other than wait on a Mayweather payday. I hope I'm wrong but I doubt I am... he needs to set out a 1 year plan of 3 big names to earn the shot
porter has no belt and has just lost to brook......he's out of the picture I think. Thurman would be a great fight!!......but look at his resume then look at khan's.... you would be hard pushed to recognize more than 2 names on his victim list. khan's record is much more robust.thurman is a good fighter albeit untested. khan is far more established and I don't think he sees Thurman as having earned the right to fight him yet, especially with a potential mayweather fight for khan.Jesus lets see him fight someone soon... he is barely fighting once a year if you average his last few years out and padding out his CV big time
I think Maidana wobbled Mayweather in the 3rd through an accurate, timed, heavy power shot... it wasn't a mis-timed mis-hit shot due to him being crude it was a full on timed power shot. Maidana is known as a heavy hitter and he has been working on his timing and technique and it shows. Still a bit rough around the edges but an altogether different animal to the guy Khan fought. I think its more a case we should be giving credit to Maidana rather than suggesting Mayweather is fading. He brought pressure, power, timing and speed (and a dirty slugfest but that was his best option)
Maybe Khan can take Mayweather. Maybe he can take them all. But I do not see him actually stepping up and challening anyone.... waited so long to see it... its never coming... doubt he will fight Brook... doubt he will fight Porter... doubt he will do anything other than wait on a Mayweather payday. I hope I'm wrong but I doubt I am... he needs to set out a 1 year plan of 3 big names to earn the shot
maidana is a crude slugger with a big dig. nothing more. don't let the press persuade you he is the second coming of willie pep all of a sudden!!that shot that wobbled mayweather wasn't some pernell whitaker s
t...lucky!!menousername said:
lets see Khan fight Brook... Porter... Thurman... rematch Maidana who has improved immensely since they last fought
Jesus lets see him fight someone soon... he is barely fighting once a year if you average his last few years out and padding out his CV big time
Well, not quite sure how he can be padding out his CV big time if he's barely fighting once a year, but leaving that aside...Jesus lets see him fight someone soon... he is barely fighting once a year if you average his last few years out and padding out his CV big time
Yes, he hasn't been particularly active over the last couple of years, but that's not majorly surprising. First of all, he was coming off the back of two big losses; one controversial, one conclusive (in its ending at least). He was also stepping up a weight division and trying to establish a working relationship with a new trainer. His first two fights were against carefully selected opponents who offered limited threat and still he looked far from assured in his performances but, most importantly, he won them. He then took on a fully-fledged Welterweight who was – as tusc states - coming off the back of a career best win, and Khan dominated him start to finish. So, from that perspective, how his career has been managed over the last couple of years looks to have been prudent.
In addition, while all this was going on, by careful placement of his name in association with the likes of Mayweather – irrespective of ‘substance’ – it has kept Khan relevant (when recent results, performances and quality of opponent might have dictated otherwise), so ensuring a good amount of the spadework has already been done now that a big fight against a top name is viable from a form perspective (even though you clearly disagree with that final part). Without wishing to sound patronising, never lose sight of the fact that boxing is a business, as well as a sport; the most successful fighters tend to know how to operate in both spaces…
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bmthnick1981 said:
BJS v Eubank Jnr just announced, on the same card as chisora v fury - should be a good night.
Just came to post that, can't wait.
/ All that talk about Khan, I decided to watch his fight against Maidana, what a fight! The first round was mental! I rate Maidana for getting up from that beauty of a body shot from Khan. One of the best fights I've ever seen. Khans speed was on a different level. He got caught quite a few times from Maidana too, especially in the 10th round when Maidana landed that right hand, had Khan wobbled badly.
( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTJOCQ9necc )
( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTJOCQ9necc )
That hook to the ribs would be somewhere in the top 10 best shots I've seen. It's not just the shot itself, it's the reaction it draws from Maidana. Boxers are a tough old bunch and Maidana tougher than most, but I can't remember the last time I saw a fighter looking in as much physical pain from a shot. Maidana goes down like he's been tasered!
tuscaneer said:
porter has no belt and has just lost to brook......he's out of the picture I think. Thurman would be a great fight!!......but look at his resume then look at khan's.... you would be hard pushed to recognize more than 2 names on his victim list. khan's record is much more robust.thurman is a good fighter albeit untested. khan is far more established and I don't think he sees Thurman as having earned the right to fight him yet, especially with a potential mayweather fight for khan.
Exactly the problem with Khan... there is always an excuse for the more exciting, challenging fights. He didn't see Brook having earned the right to fight him, told Brook to get through Porter... will we see Brook vs Khan? Doubt it.
Its Khan who needs to establish his relevance. He is new to WW, he needs big names to earn the right to fight Mayweather.
Qu... does anyone really think we are going to see Mayweather vs Khan? I don't see Mayweather taking it...not because he thinks its high risk... I just dont see it
With that risk why on earth is Khan not targeting the other big dogs.
Anyhoop, sounding like I have a huge grudge on Khan, I don't, I just don't get all the attention given he is so inactive and avoiding big fights so much
Thoughts on BJS vs Eubank Jr everyone? Not really been able to follow either closely
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