The **BOXING** thread
Discussion
tuscaneer said:
it would be very interesting to see how Joshua coped with a big rangy heavy hitter in price. when you are so much bigger and have such a reach advantage it is a lot easier to pile through these fairly immobile opponents but I honestly would give price an edge in both speed and power and a bigger reach. of course there are major questions hanging over the head of price in terms of mental fragility, conditioning and chin.
if price could "do a klitschko" and control the centre of ring behind his thunderous jab and stop Joshua in his tracks on the way in he could win the fight. but he'd have to be prepred to be switched on for potentially 12 full rounds. could he do it?
Joshua, on the other hand , would be better getting to middle and short distance where he seems to look very comfortable. if he could penetrate through the price jab and cross without picking up too much damage that would be his way to win.
Defensively I think Joshua is better than we saw on Saturday. He was just going gung-ho to destroy the bloke (which he succeeded in doing) and pretty much threw caution to the wind.if price could "do a klitschko" and control the centre of ring behind his thunderous jab and stop Joshua in his tracks on the way in he could win the fight. but he'd have to be prepred to be switched on for potentially 12 full rounds. could he do it?
Joshua, on the other hand , would be better getting to middle and short distance where he seems to look very comfortable. if he could penetrate through the price jab and cross without picking up too much damage that would be his way to win.
Joshua is fast, moves a lot and is so damn accurate and spiteful it's unreal. Price would be the victim of a KO I reckon. I would prefer that they were kept apart for another couple of years, to give them both a chance of reaching world level before a blockbuster fight.
Looking at the British rankings it would make sense to put Joshua in with Sexton after he's demolished Sprott. Sexton has three losses on his record, but those were to Price and Chisora (twice). Perhaps in the meantime Fury and Price could get it on. All being well then Joshua would be ranked 4th in the British rankings.
As Price said, he'd be looking to knock Joshua's head off his shoulders and Joshua still looks like he was 'hittable' but that being said, he probably wasn't overly concerned by being hit by Bakhtov and willing to wade in and take one to load up with eight 
Could Joshua beat Price, yes, but don't underestimate Price, the dude is huge and can punch. Massive risk for Joshua at this stage. This time next year, depending on how each career is going, I can see Joshua fighting Price, Fury and Chisora. They have to happen and none of them are likely to be ducking each other either, which is a nice situation to have.
Someone mentioned Joshua's accuracy, that was telling in how good he'll be, he's got fast feet, he's quick to guard after throwing too, technically excellent, physically imposing.
Can he last 10-12 rounds against a big guy, time will tell, the potential is there and I can see why, but I'm sure we were all waxing lyrical about Price at the same stage in his career.
If I were Hearn, i'd deal with Sprott (no doubt he will) and target a couple more durable opponents and look for a fight with someone like Pulev, similarly sized and not known for being a huge puncher, but would be a great test before trying to deal with guys like Price and Fury who are bigger and carry even more threat.
Still, i'm no manager.
Could Joshua beat Price, yes, but don't underestimate Price, the dude is huge and can punch. Massive risk for Joshua at this stage. This time next year, depending on how each career is going, I can see Joshua fighting Price, Fury and Chisora. They have to happen and none of them are likely to be ducking each other either, which is a nice situation to have.
Someone mentioned Joshua's accuracy, that was telling in how good he'll be, he's got fast feet, he's quick to guard after throwing too, technically excellent, physically imposing.
Can he last 10-12 rounds against a big guy, time will tell, the potential is there and I can see why, but I'm sure we were all waxing lyrical about Price at the same stage in his career.
If I were Hearn, i'd deal with Sprott (no doubt he will) and target a couple more durable opponents and look for a fight with someone like Pulev, similarly sized and not known for being a huge puncher, but would be a great test before trying to deal with guys like Price and Fury who are bigger and carry even more threat.
Still, i'm no manager.
STW2010 said:
Defensively I think Joshua is better than we saw on Saturday. He was just going gung-ho to destroy the bloke (which he succeeded in doing) and pretty much threw caution to the wind.
Joshua is fast, moves a lot and is so damn accurate and spiteful it's unreal. Price would be the victim of a KO I reckon. I would prefer that they were kept apart for another couple of years, to give them both a chance of reaching world level before a blockbuster fight.
Looking at the British rankings it would make sense to put Joshua in with Sexton after he's demolished Sprott. Sexton has three losses on his record, but those were to Price and Chisora (twice). Perhaps in the meantime Fury and Price could get it on. All being well then Joshua would be ranked 4th in the British rankings.
totally agree fella, his accuracy is phenominal. i'd like to see how accurate he is under fire though, that's where it tells. so far we just haven't seen that. I posted myself that I think both he and price should get more fights in before they face each other but I have to capitulate on this one and agree with you . they could both easily get much more momentum over the next couple of years and provided they stay winning (most likely!!) we've got a big stadium fight in the offing!!Joshua is fast, moves a lot and is so damn accurate and spiteful it's unreal. Price would be the victim of a KO I reckon. I would prefer that they were kept apart for another couple of years, to give them both a chance of reaching world level before a blockbuster fight.
Looking at the British rankings it would make sense to put Joshua in with Sexton after he's demolished Sprott. Sexton has three losses on his record, but those were to Price and Chisora (twice). Perhaps in the meantime Fury and Price could get it on. All being well then Joshua would be ranked 4th in the British rankings.
and as much as I think he's a t
t fury might just end up surprising us!! not to mention Hughie.....another possible!I like Price and want him to succeed and reach the level we expected him to reach before he met Thompson. That's really the reason for me wanting him to be kept apart from AJ. They are both building up and the loser would be set back quite a bit- if AJ lost then people could easily say that Price isn't all that (and he isn't as of yet) and so AJ must have been over-hyped. If Price loses then I really see no way of him recovering from that.
dirty boy said:
As Price said, he'd be looking to knock Joshua's head off his shoulders and Joshua still looks like he was 'hittable' but that being said, he probably wasn't overly concerned by being hit by Bakhtov and willing to wade in and take one to load up with eight
Could Joshua beat Price, yes, but don't underestimate Price, the dude is huge and can punch. Massive risk for Joshua at this stage. This time next year, depending on how each career is going, I can see Joshua fighting Price, Fury and Chisora. They have to happen and none of them are likely to be ducking each other either, which is a nice situation to have.
Someone mentioned Joshua's accuracy, that was telling in how good he'll be, he's got fast feet, he's quick to guard after throwing too, technically excellent, physically imposing.
Can he last 10-12 rounds against a big guy, time will tell, the potential is there and I can see why, but I'm sure we were all waxing lyrical about Price at the same stage in his career.
If I were Hearn, i'd deal with Sprott (no doubt he will) and target a couple more durable opponents and look for a fight with someone like Pulev, similarly sized and not known for being a huge puncher, but would be a great test before trying to deal with guys like Price and Fury who are bigger and carry even more threat.
Still, i'm no manager.
when price was at long lane abc he was a beanpole of a kid but recently he was training at a gym in Liverpool which is actually an mma / strength and conditioning centre.....anyway, they have a boxing ring and price was there at the same time the local health inspector was. I happen to know this guy personally as my work is under his patch as is the café in the mma gym.Could Joshua beat Price, yes, but don't underestimate Price, the dude is huge and can punch. Massive risk for Joshua at this stage. This time next year, depending on how each career is going, I can see Joshua fighting Price, Fury and Chisora. They have to happen and none of them are likely to be ducking each other either, which is a nice situation to have.
Someone mentioned Joshua's accuracy, that was telling in how good he'll be, he's got fast feet, he's quick to guard after throwing too, technically excellent, physically imposing.
Can he last 10-12 rounds against a big guy, time will tell, the potential is there and I can see why, but I'm sure we were all waxing lyrical about Price at the same stage in his career.
If I were Hearn, i'd deal with Sprott (no doubt he will) and target a couple more durable opponents and look for a fight with someone like Pulev, similarly sized and not known for being a huge puncher, but would be a great test before trying to deal with guys like Price and Fury who are bigger and carry even more threat.
Still, i'm no manager.
so, this guy is in the café and can hear what sounds like someone hitting the punch bags with a baseball bat. he pops his head round the corner and there's pricey smashing the s
t out of the bags.the guy punches so hard it's frightening.we still haven't seen Joshua get tagged clean and hard yet.
if I were hearn i'd keep them apart for a bit longer and allow Joshua to grow into himself a bit more. I think pulev is a bridge too far at this stage though.i think that the guy is criminally underrated. as an amateur he won the world's on numerous occasions and has gone through all our current crop of heavies in some fashion. price, chisora, fury , helenius and numerous others have all lost to him on his journey to turning pro and as a pro he's done guys like Thompson/dimitrenko/Ustinov on course to amassing a perfect 20-0 record.......but I take your point!!
FredClogs said:
Audley Harrison is still floating around looking for paydays 
Lee Selby ticks all the boxes for me, I think he's a natural boxing talent almost Naseem'esque and I think he'll be a World Champion soon, it's a shame he still thinks being moustachioed is a good look.
as skilful as he is that mussy is fLee Selby ticks all the boxes for me, I think he's a natural boxing talent almost Naseem'esque and I think he'll be a World Champion soon, it's a shame he still thinks being moustachioed is a good look.
k all!! as we'd say up here......." you could put a bit of milk on that and get the cat to lick it off "tuscaneer said:
dirty boy said:
As Price said, he'd be looking to knock Joshua's head off his shoulders and Joshua still looks like he was 'hittable' but that being said, he probably wasn't overly concerned by being hit by Bakhtov and willing to wade in and take one to load up with eight
Could Joshua beat Price, yes, but don't underestimate Price, the dude is huge and can punch. Massive risk for Joshua at this stage. This time next year, depending on how each career is going, I can see Joshua fighting Price, Fury and Chisora. They have to happen and none of them are likely to be ducking each other either, which is a nice situation to have.
Someone mentioned Joshua's accuracy, that was telling in how good he'll be, he's got fast feet, he's quick to guard after throwing too, technically excellent, physically imposing.
Can he last 10-12 rounds against a big guy, time will tell, the potential is there and I can see why, but I'm sure we were all waxing lyrical about Price at the same stage in his career.
If I were Hearn, i'd deal with Sprott (no doubt he will) and target a couple more durable opponents and look for a fight with someone like Pulev, similarly sized and not known for being a huge puncher, but would be a great test before trying to deal with guys like Price and Fury who are bigger and carry even more threat.
Still, i'm no manager.
when price was at long lane abc he was a beanpole of a kid but recently he was training at a gym in Liverpool which is actually an mma / strength and conditioning centre.....anyway, they have a boxing ring and price was there at the same time the local health inspector was. I happen to know this guy personally as my work is under his patch as is the café in the mma gym.Could Joshua beat Price, yes, but don't underestimate Price, the dude is huge and can punch. Massive risk for Joshua at this stage. This time next year, depending on how each career is going, I can see Joshua fighting Price, Fury and Chisora. They have to happen and none of them are likely to be ducking each other either, which is a nice situation to have.
Someone mentioned Joshua's accuracy, that was telling in how good he'll be, he's got fast feet, he's quick to guard after throwing too, technically excellent, physically imposing.
Can he last 10-12 rounds against a big guy, time will tell, the potential is there and I can see why, but I'm sure we were all waxing lyrical about Price at the same stage in his career.
If I were Hearn, i'd deal with Sprott (no doubt he will) and target a couple more durable opponents and look for a fight with someone like Pulev, similarly sized and not known for being a huge puncher, but would be a great test before trying to deal with guys like Price and Fury who are bigger and carry even more threat.
Still, i'm no manager.
so, this guy is in the café and can hear what sounds like someone hitting the punch bags with a baseball bat. he pops his head round the corner and there's pricey smashing the s
t out of the bags.the guy punches so hard it's frightening.we still haven't seen Joshua get tagged clean and hard yet.
if I were hearn i'd keep them apart for a bit longer and allow Joshua to grow into himself a bit more. I think pulev is a bridge too far at this stage though.i think that the guy is criminally underrated. as an amateur he won the world's on numerous occasions and has gone through all our current crop of heavies in some fashion. price, chisora, fury , helenius and numerous others have all lost to him on his journey to turning pro and as a pro he's done guys like Thompson/dimitrenko/Ustinov on course to amassing a perfect 20-0 record.......but I take your point!!
This is a fight I'd look for towards the end of next year, although consideration must be made for performances by Pulev in the meantime granted.
dirty boy said:
Totally agree, I knew when I posted it, I would be opening myself up to Pulev being excellent (and he's good) but I see Joshua as being technically as good (at comparable stages in their career) and at least a decent match physically. I see it as an opportunity to 'box' and not have the fear of fighting someone like Price who although isn't as good technically (IMO), poses a massive risk with the punch power he has.
This is a fight I'd look for towards the end of next year, although consideration must be made for performances by Pulev in the meantime granted.
this is the bit that's most interesting to me. there's two arguments........ extensive amateur experience versus not much amateur experience. on one hand a good amateur grounding is the bedrock of a good pro career but in some cases ( david price is a good example) that amateur style is so ingrained that it takes a while to fully develop as a a professional. I don't really agree (sorry fella!!) that Joshua is more technically savvy than price, he may well end up being so but the ring craft isn't as complete in him as it is in price. he may perform like a giant Floyd mayweather in the gym but he hasn't had to show it in the ring yet, and to that end we simply haven't seen enough of him to know one way or another. all the signs are there ie. accuracy and varied shot placement but until we witness the mid to short range subtleties we can only hope he can produce the goods on fight night.This is a fight I'd look for towards the end of next year, although consideration must be made for performances by Pulev in the meantime granted.
in some respects it's an advantage to Joshua to have had only a 4 year amateur career because he is much more easily moulded into the pro style in much the same way that scott quigg looked phenominal after about 6 fights. the early fights of Frampton still had the bouncy in and out amateur feel to them because the guy fought so many times over years as an amateur.
paradoxically , I think the opposite to a degree.....I suspect Joshua would fear the power of someone like price and try to get on him double quick( kind of like lennox against golota or grant)....that could lead to a spectacular victory for either man though!
I think he's more at risk of losing to a smart behind-the-jab boxer like pulev who would frustrate the s
t out of him. he wouldn't stand in front of him and let Joshua tee off but he'd move backwards with smart angles and draw Anthony onto stuff. how would big Anthony feel after 8-10 rounds of being forced into positions of pulev's will rather than what he's used to in always having the whip hand??? we don't know how he'd react to being behind on the scorecards with only a round or two to go.......I can't wait to find out!! I've got every faith in himtuscaneer said:
dirty boy said:
Totally agree, I knew when I posted it, I would be opening myself up to Pulev being excellent (and he's good) but I see Joshua as being technically as good (at comparable stages in their career) and at least a decent match physically. I see it as an opportunity to 'box' and not have the fear of fighting someone like Price who although isn't as good technically (IMO), poses a massive risk with the punch power he has.
This is a fight I'd look for towards the end of next year, although consideration must be made for performances by Pulev in the meantime granted.
this is the bit that's most interesting to me. there's two arguments........ extensive amateur experience versus not much amateur experience. on one hand a good amateur grounding is the bedrock of a good pro career but in some cases ( david price is a good example) that amateur style is so ingrained that it takes a while to fully develop as a a professional. I don't really agree (sorry fella!!) that Joshua is more technically savvy than price, he may well end up being so but the ring craft isn't as complete in him as it is in price. he may perform like a giant Floyd mayweather in the gym but he hasn't had to show it in the ring yet, and to that end we simply haven't seen enough of him to know one way or another. all the signs are there ie. accuracy and varied shot placement but until we witness the mid to short range subtleties we can only hope he can produce the goods on fight night.This is a fight I'd look for towards the end of next year, although consideration must be made for performances by Pulev in the meantime granted.
in some respects it's an advantage to Joshua to have had only a 4 year amateur career because he is much more easily moulded into the pro style in much the same way that scott quigg looked phenominal after about 6 fights. the early fights of Frampton still had the bouncy in and out amateur feel to them because the guy fought so many times over years as an amateur.
paradoxically , I think the opposite to a degree.....I suspect Joshua would fear the power of someone like price and try to get on him double quick( kind of like lennox against golota or grant)....that could lead to a spectacular victory for either man though!
I think he's more at risk of losing to a smart behind-the-jab boxer like pulev who would frustrate the s
t out of him. he wouldn't stand in front of him and let Joshua tee off but he'd move backwards with smart angles and draw Anthony onto stuff. how would big Anthony feel after 8-10 rounds of being forced into positions of pulev's will rather than what he's used to in always having the whip hand??? we don't know how he'd react to being behind on the scorecards with only a round or two to go.......I can't wait to find out!! I've got every faith in himLooking forwards to watching Kovalev vs Hopkins.
Great points and this is the thing with boxers so early on in their careers, you just have no idea how they'll progress.
We've seen no-one test Joshua yet, no-one force him to do anything other than allow him to walk forwards throwing what he likes (albeit with alarming accuracy - noteworthy)
The next year will tell us a great deal about who would suit and who wouldn't! I guess the argument is simply "it's too early to say".
People do tend to look at the purely physical stature and 9 KOs in a row and draw too many conclusions.
12 months time, the heavyweight division will look vastly different to what it does today, of that I'm 100% sure.
Conversely, Mayweather will still be top dog
We've seen no-one test Joshua yet, no-one force him to do anything other than allow him to walk forwards throwing what he likes (albeit with alarming accuracy - noteworthy)
The next year will tell us a great deal about who would suit and who wouldn't! I guess the argument is simply "it's too early to say".
People do tend to look at the purely physical stature and 9 KOs in a row and draw too many conclusions.
12 months time, the heavyweight division will look vastly different to what it does today, of that I'm 100% sure.
Conversely, Mayweather will still be top dog
Frank Bruno's first 21 fights. It's easy to forget just how good he looked. We'll have to wait and see how AJ develops.
17.03.1982 Lupe Guerra (Mexico) w.ko.1 Royal Albert Hall
30.03.1982 Harvey Steichen (USA) w.rsf.2 Wembley Arena
20.04.1982 Tom Stevenson (USA) w.ko.1 Royal Albert Hall
04.05.1982 Ron Gibbs (USA) w.rsf.4 Wembley Arena
01.06.1982 Tony Moore (GB) w.rsf.2 Royal Albert Hall
14.09.1982 George Scott (GB) w.rsf.1 Wembley Arena
23.10.1982 Ali Lukusa (Zaire) w.ko.2 West Berlin
09.11.1982 Rudi Gauwe (Belgium) w.ko.2 Royal Albert Hall
23.11.1982 George Batzbach (W.Ger.) w.ret.1 Wembley Arena
07.12.1982 Gilberto Acuna (Puerto Rico) w.rsf.1 Royal Albert Hall
18.01.1983 Stewart Lithgo (GB) w.ret.4 Royal Albert Hall
08.02.1983 Peter Mulendwa (Uganda) w.ko.3 Royal Albert Hall
01.03.1983 Winston Allen (GB) w.rsf.2 Royal Albert Hall
05.04.1983 Eddie Nielson (GB) w.rsf.3 Royal Albert Hall
03.05.1983 Scott Ledoux (USA) w.rsf.3 Wembley Arena
31.05.1983 Barry Funches (USA) w.rsf.5 Royal Albert Hall
09.07.1983 Mike Jameson (USA) w.ko.2 Chicago
27.09.1983 Bill Sharkey (USA) w.ko.1 Wembley Arena
11.10.1983 Floyd Cummings (USA) w.rsf.7 Royal Albert Hall
06.12.1983 Walter Santemore (USA) w.ko.4 Royal Albert Hall
13.03.1984 Juan Figueroa (Argentina) w.ko.1 Wembley Arena
17.03.1982 Lupe Guerra (Mexico) w.ko.1 Royal Albert Hall
30.03.1982 Harvey Steichen (USA) w.rsf.2 Wembley Arena
20.04.1982 Tom Stevenson (USA) w.ko.1 Royal Albert Hall
04.05.1982 Ron Gibbs (USA) w.rsf.4 Wembley Arena
01.06.1982 Tony Moore (GB) w.rsf.2 Royal Albert Hall
14.09.1982 George Scott (GB) w.rsf.1 Wembley Arena
23.10.1982 Ali Lukusa (Zaire) w.ko.2 West Berlin
09.11.1982 Rudi Gauwe (Belgium) w.ko.2 Royal Albert Hall
23.11.1982 George Batzbach (W.Ger.) w.ret.1 Wembley Arena
07.12.1982 Gilberto Acuna (Puerto Rico) w.rsf.1 Royal Albert Hall
18.01.1983 Stewart Lithgo (GB) w.ret.4 Royal Albert Hall
08.02.1983 Peter Mulendwa (Uganda) w.ko.3 Royal Albert Hall
01.03.1983 Winston Allen (GB) w.rsf.2 Royal Albert Hall
05.04.1983 Eddie Nielson (GB) w.rsf.3 Royal Albert Hall
03.05.1983 Scott Ledoux (USA) w.rsf.3 Wembley Arena
31.05.1983 Barry Funches (USA) w.rsf.5 Royal Albert Hall
09.07.1983 Mike Jameson (USA) w.ko.2 Chicago
27.09.1983 Bill Sharkey (USA) w.ko.1 Wembley Arena
11.10.1983 Floyd Cummings (USA) w.rsf.7 Royal Albert Hall
06.12.1983 Walter Santemore (USA) w.ko.4 Royal Albert Hall
13.03.1984 Juan Figueroa (Argentina) w.ko.1 Wembley Arena
spikeyhead said:
Frank Bruno's first 21 fights. It's easy to forget just how good he looked. We'll have to wait and see how AJ develops.
17.03.1982 Lupe Guerra (Mexico) w.ko.1 Royal Albert Hall
30.03.1982 Harvey Steichen (USA) w.rsf.2 Wembley Arena
20.04.1982 Tom Stevenson (USA) w.ko.1 Royal Albert Hall
04.05.1982 Ron Gibbs (USA) w.rsf.4 Wembley Arena
01.06.1982 Tony Moore (GB) w.rsf.2 Royal Albert Hall
14.09.1982 George Scott (GB) w.rsf.1 Wembley Arena
23.10.1982 Ali Lukusa (Zaire) w.ko.2 West Berlin
09.11.1982 Rudi Gauwe (Belgium) w.ko.2 Royal Albert Hall
23.11.1982 George Batzbach (W.Ger.) w.ret.1 Wembley Arena
07.12.1982 Gilberto Acuna (Puerto Rico) w.rsf.1 Royal Albert Hall
18.01.1983 Stewart Lithgo (GB) w.ret.4 Royal Albert Hall
08.02.1983 Peter Mulendwa (Uganda) w.ko.3 Royal Albert Hall
01.03.1983 Winston Allen (GB) w.rsf.2 Royal Albert Hall
05.04.1983 Eddie Nielson (GB) w.rsf.3 Royal Albert Hall
03.05.1983 Scott Ledoux (USA) w.rsf.3 Wembley Arena
31.05.1983 Barry Funches (USA) w.rsf.5 Royal Albert Hall
09.07.1983 Mike Jameson (USA) w.ko.2 Chicago
27.09.1983 Bill Sharkey (USA) w.ko.1 Wembley Arena
11.10.1983 Floyd Cummings (USA) w.rsf.7 Royal Albert Hall
06.12.1983 Walter Santemore (USA) w.ko.4 Royal Albert Hall
13.03.1984 Juan Figueroa (Argentina) w.ko.1 Wembley Arena
Was that a dig at our Frank? He looked good because he was f17.03.1982 Lupe Guerra (Mexico) w.ko.1 Royal Albert Hall
30.03.1982 Harvey Steichen (USA) w.rsf.2 Wembley Arena
20.04.1982 Tom Stevenson (USA) w.ko.1 Royal Albert Hall
04.05.1982 Ron Gibbs (USA) w.rsf.4 Wembley Arena
01.06.1982 Tony Moore (GB) w.rsf.2 Royal Albert Hall
14.09.1982 George Scott (GB) w.rsf.1 Wembley Arena
23.10.1982 Ali Lukusa (Zaire) w.ko.2 West Berlin
09.11.1982 Rudi Gauwe (Belgium) w.ko.2 Royal Albert Hall
23.11.1982 George Batzbach (W.Ger.) w.ret.1 Wembley Arena
07.12.1982 Gilberto Acuna (Puerto Rico) w.rsf.1 Royal Albert Hall
18.01.1983 Stewart Lithgo (GB) w.ret.4 Royal Albert Hall
08.02.1983 Peter Mulendwa (Uganda) w.ko.3 Royal Albert Hall
01.03.1983 Winston Allen (GB) w.rsf.2 Royal Albert Hall
05.04.1983 Eddie Nielson (GB) w.rsf.3 Royal Albert Hall
03.05.1983 Scott Ledoux (USA) w.rsf.3 Wembley Arena
31.05.1983 Barry Funches (USA) w.rsf.5 Royal Albert Hall
09.07.1983 Mike Jameson (USA) w.ko.2 Chicago
27.09.1983 Bill Sharkey (USA) w.ko.1 Wembley Arena
11.10.1983 Floyd Cummings (USA) w.rsf.7 Royal Albert Hall
06.12.1983 Walter Santemore (USA) w.ko.4 Royal Albert Hall
13.03.1984 Juan Figueroa (Argentina) w.ko.1 Wembley Arena
king good, only beaten by some very very good world beaters. If AJ has a career anywhere near that of Frank Bruno he'll do himself and the rest of he British Boxing public very proud.FredClogs said:
Was that a dig at our Frank? He looked good because he was fking good, only beaten by some very very good world beaters. If AJ has a career anywhere near that of Frank Bruno he'll do himself and the rest of he British Boxing public very proud.
It wasn't a dig at our Frank, more a reminder that AJ is on a similar path, but from some peoples posts have implied that he'd take over from Klitchko and rule the heavyweight division forever. king good, only beaten by some very very good world beaters. If AJ has a career anywhere near that of Frank Bruno he'll do himself and the rest of he British Boxing public very proud.I've no idea how far he can go, and until someone troubles him we won't know. Bruno had a huge amount of talent amd perhaps the best ability to poleaxe people I've seen, but really struggled when the going got tough. Until someone makes AJ struggle then we won't know his potential.
Im curious - does anyone actually like or respect Mayweather?
To my mind, he picks his fights to the extreme, fignts people he knows he can beat and then fights them again.
Dodges the real fights, hoping theyll go away or the other guy will go over the hill.
Does anyone think he would have done anything against sugar ray leonard?
Or hearns?
2 huge fights out there for him, but he continues to dodge them. Pac and khan.
To my mind, he picks his fights to the extreme, fignts people he knows he can beat and then fights them again.
Dodges the real fights, hoping theyll go away or the other guy will go over the hill.
Does anyone think he would have done anything against sugar ray leonard?
Or hearns?
2 huge fights out there for him, but he continues to dodge them. Pac and khan.
spikeyhead said:
FredClogs said:
Was that a dig at our Frank? He looked good because he was fking good, only beaten by some very very good world beaters. If AJ has a career anywhere near that of Frank Bruno he'll do himself and the rest of he British Boxing public very proud.
It wasn't a dig at our Frank, more a reminder that AJ is on a similar path, but from some peoples posts have implied that he'd take over from Klitchko and rule the heavyweight division forever. king good, only beaten by some very very good world beaters. If AJ has a career anywhere near that of Frank Bruno he'll do himself and the rest of he British Boxing public very proud.I've no idea how far he can go, and until someone troubles him we won't know. Bruno had a huge amount of talent amd perhaps the best ability to poleaxe people I've seen, but really struggled when the going got tough. Until someone makes AJ struggle then we won't know his potential.
philv said:
Im curious - does anyone actually like or respect Mayweather?
To my mind, he picks his fights to the extreme, fignts people he knows he can beat and then fights them again.
Dodges the real fights, hoping theyll go away or the other guy will go over the hill.
Does anyone think he would have done anything against sugar ray leonard?
Or hearns?
2 huge fights out there for him, but he continues to dodge them. Pac and khan.
you only have to go back to the very first page of this thread some five years ago to read what my thoughts were/are about mayweather's reluctance to engage worthy adversaries. where was he when pacquiao was tearing it up with barrera , morales and co?? mayweather's best two performances were corrales and canelo. not because of the performances in themselves but because of the threat they presented at the time of him fighting them. all too often he's beaten fighters that were way past their best ( gatti, Judah) or were disadvantaged by coming up too quick like jmm who jumped 3 weight classes in 2 fights to get to mayweather and as a result was a physical mess come fight time. marquez lost to pacquiao at super feather and a year later was all the way up at light welter to fight Floyd.To my mind, he picks his fights to the extreme, fignts people he knows he can beat and then fights them again.
Dodges the real fights, hoping theyll go away or the other guy will go over the hill.
Does anyone think he would have done anything against sugar ray leonard?
Or hearns?
2 huge fights out there for him, but he continues to dodge them. Pac and khan.
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