The **BOXING** thread

[RAFsmoggy]

FredClogs said:

Naz did a ridiculous weight cut to fight Barerra, I saw an interview with him admitting he was far too arrogant in the run up to that fight, he had lost the guidance of Brendan Ingle and Frank Warren and was surrounded by sycophants and family (which is some admission from a guy with his personality), he dropped something unbelievable like 8kg in the 24 hours before the weight in and never recovered properly, I think a few years before Naz would have walked through Barerra. I think he's the best boxer the UK has ever produced, legendary in my eyes, but of course a bit of a dick.

All true fred, I think it was more his family/business(brother) manager's that guided him away from Ingle. crazy isn't it & not that uncommon, Hatton did an almost carbon copy & got rid of his long term trainer graham & went with that idiot mayweather & got historically blown away.

I cannot agree about the "best UK boxer" , most successful maybe but not a legend. John Conteh as a legend & we cannot forget Herol Bomber Graham another product of the Ingle camp & in my mind the finished article. He did pretty good against Mike "bodysnatcher" McCallum , Naz never faced anyone on that level. Herol was brilliant but very frustrating to watch at times ...Also last but not least another frustrating but brilliant UK fighter who could have gone all the way was Kirkland Lang ...amazing fighter...

[tuscaneer]

on achievements alone there is only one fighter from the uk that stands head and shoulders above them all......jimmy wilde....130+ fights with only a few losses, 2 of which came in his last 2 fights...the guy was only 5ft 3 and weighed fk all but he must be considered the best flyweight of them all, not just in Britain..from the same era as harry greb, abe attell , sam langford, mickey walker , gene tunney , jack Dempsey, ......and even in the shadow of these iconic names he still stood out as one of the finest champions of his era

Edited by tuscaneer on Tuesday 9th December 06:57

[spikeyhead]

RAFsmoggy said:

...Also last but not least another frustrating but brilliant UK fighter who could have gone all the way was Kirkland Lang ...amazing fighter...

I used to love watching Kirkland box.

[Yiliterate]

There was something on Channel 4 a decade or so back called the 50 greatest British Sportsmen or something like that. It was actually a series rather than the usual 1-2hr single show format, so they had the time to give a decent amount of consideration to each of the main contenders from each sport. The highest ranked boxer was indeed Jimmy Wilde (another indication of the quality of the programme, rather than the populist clap-trap these types of programme usually are), finishing a few places above Lennox in the final top 50.

[tuscaneer]

Yiliterate said:

There was something on Channel 4 a decade or so back called the 50 greatest British Sportsmen or something like that. It was actually a series rather than the usual 1-2hr single show format, so they had the time to give a decent amount of consideration to each of the main contenders from each sport. The highest ranked boxer was indeed Jimmy Wilde (another indication of the quality of the programme, rather than the populist clap-trap these types of programme usually are), finishing a few places above Lennox in the final top 50.

sounds great, i'll have to find that!

[Sterillium]

spikeyhead said:

RAFsmoggy said:

...Also last but not least another frustrating but brilliant UK fighter who could have gone all the way was Kirkland Lang ...amazing fighter...

I used to love watching Kirkland box.

Me too, brilliant to watch.

Hard to believe he's now 60 years old..(!)

[Amirhussain]

tuscaneer said:

Amirhussain said:

tuscaneer said:

STW2010 said:

If you can then definitely get involved!

I would love to restart boxing but my left hand is dud. I used to be quite good too (middleweight) back in the days before I had to worry about work and st like that.

yeah defo want to give myself a target....but this time do it right and probably best to stop drinking copious amounts of red wine right up until 48 hours before the fight next time too!!

I'm going to start boxing soon, had a little session a few days ago, just to get a feel of the place. Quite enjoyed it. Just want to do it as a hobby and for fitness/exercise. Its at Birmingham City Amateur Boxing Club, run by Frank O'Sullivan. His trained the likes of Rob McCracken and the Yafai brothers.

I think I do want to have a few fights, but that's a long way off yet.

good to hear!
sounds like you're in good hands. the thing to remember is to be patient. your trainers will know when it's time to start tech sparring. you'll most likely spend a couple of months on drills and getting fit followed by technical drills on the pads before finally practicing jabs and parrys , jabs and lean backs , jabs and dips etc etc. with a partner. no contact but it will get you used to having a body in front of you with arms that are coming back at you as opposed to a bag.

when you do start sparring it should be light and technique based rather than wailing away trying to take the other guy out. most likely you will get put in with more experienced boxers who won't take liberties but will show you deficiencies in your guard by getting through it but tapping not ttting you for your trouble!

the transition from walking into the gym to full contact sparring can take a year so stick with it mate!!

Thanks for the good advice . Will hopefully join after Christmas. Trying to find out my work hours at the moment. My brother used to go boxing too, but tbh I don't really think his heart was in it. It was more my dad who wanted him to go. My dad wanted me to go too, but I just wasn't feeling it at the time.

[dirty boy]

Sky Sports 3 (Channel 404) tonight at 18:30 there's a Prince Naseem 'sporting greats' episode.



In other news.

Khan v Alexander.

Khan should win, he's favourite and is better than Alexander in all departments, add to that Alexander isn't a big puncher and I think Khan will win a UD.


Lee v Korobov

All things point to a Korobov win. However. I'm going to stick my neck out on this one and say Lee wins on points.

More a gut feeling than technical analysis.

[tuscaneer]

khan wide ud for me too. just better at everything.

andy lee is a bit of an enigma to me....sometimes looks poor in victory and other times looks great(his last fight stunning ko of Jackson). he avenged the vera loss so chavez jr is the only fighter he has faced that he hasn't defeated in 30 odd fights.

korobov looks fantastic and is unbeaten to boot.....but remains untested. but he is another eastern block amateur standout. 300-12 was his amateur career and a handful of world amateur gold medals to boot. I can't see past that and see him winning against lee on points (I don't see him as a murderous puncher and lee is quite durable)

[dirty boy]

tuscaneer said:

korobov looks fantastic and is unbeaten to boot.....but remains untested. but he is another eastern block amateur standout. 300-12 was his amateur career and a handful of world amateur gold medals to boot. I can't see past that and see him winning against lee on points (I don't see him as a murderous puncher and lee is quite durable)

Lee's amateur record isn't poor, nowhere on the level of Korobov, but there's just something about Korobov that fails to flatter me.

As you say, he's not a massive puncher and doesn't rely on accumulation of punches either, just very technical.

They're both southpaws and Lee working with Booth will add to him as an overall boxer. Like I said, all being said, Korobov is favourite and I see that, but something says Lee will pull this off.

I'll probably watch him get stacked out in a round now

[Yiliterate]

dirty boy said:

tuscaneer said:

korobov looks fantastic and is unbeaten to boot.....but remains untested. but he is another eastern block amateur standout. 300-12 was his amateur career and a handful of world amateur gold medals to boot. I can't see past that and see him winning against lee on points (I don't see him as a murderous puncher and lee is quite durable)

Lee's amateur record isn't poor, nowhere on the level of Korobov, but there's just something about Korobov that fails to flatter me.

As you say, he's not a massive puncher and doesn't rely on accumulation of punches either, just very technical.

They're both southpaws and Lee working with Booth will add to him as an overall boxer. Like I said, all being said, Korobov is favourite and I see that, but something says Lee will pull this off.

I'll probably watch him get stacked out in a round now

As identified, Korobov was an exceptional amateur and hasn't put a foot wrong in the paid ranks so far but Lee, a decent amateur himself, is now a very well seasoned pro - 30+ fights, has been at this level before and not forgetting Lee's formative years at the Kronk under Manny Steward, which I've heard rumoured may actually teach you a thing or two about the fight game!

As such, I have a feeling the longer it goes, the more it will play into Lee's hands. However, I do have concerns about Lee. He has at times been unconvincing since losing to Chavez, is moving back up to Middleweight having had his last couple of fights at Light-Middle, and in his most recent bout was being beaten quite handily until he unleashed that devestating right hand off the ropes. So it wouldn't surprise me to see Korobov building a lead over the first half of the fight, then Lee coming back into it once it heads towards the championship rounds. Intriguing fight...though I'd be delighted to see Lee to do it!

In the main event, I think I'm favouring Khan, but how comfortable a night it is will depend on which Devon Alexander turns up...if he's on his A game, it will be a tough examination of Khan but ultimately I can't see him having quite enough to be able to out-box him.

[RAFsmoggy]

If Alexander turns up like he did against Maidana Khan will have a problem, but Alexander does not like pressure. Bradley took it too him & he was whining a lot ,the head butts that night were 50/50, he just could not take Bradleys inside style, which is pretty good on most nights so no shame there!

I'd like Alexander to win but my head says Khan is ready for this & is as motivated as he has ever been so Khan will probably stop him.

[STW2010]

I think Khan will win quite comfortably. He is a lot better than people give him credit for.

I'm looking forward to watching Thurman fight. Heard a lot about him but never watched him.

[Amirhussain]

STW2010 said:

I think Khan will win quite comfortably. He is a lot better than people give him credit for.

I'm looking forward to watching Thurman fight. Heard a lot about him but never watched him.

Looking forwards to watching Khan V Alexander. Hope Khan has a good disciplined fight. Looking forwards to Thurman too, and like you, heard a lot of him but haven't seen him in action.

If Khan wins, surely Mayweather has to give him a shot now?... But I read online that Mayweather now wants Pacquiao on May 2nd. I think if it was to happen, it would still get a lot of people excited, but to me it feels a bit like its 5-6 years too late.

[9mm]

Amirhussain said:

STW2010 said:

I think Khan will win quite comfortably. He is a lot better than people give him credit for.

I'm looking forward to watching Thurman fight. Heard a lot about him but never watched him.

Looking forwards to watching Khan V Alexander. Hope Khan has a good disciplined fight. Looking forwards to Thurman too, and like you, heard a lot of him but haven't seen him in action.

If Khan wins, surely Mayweather has to give him a shot now?... But I read online that Mayweather now wants Pacquiao on May 2nd. I think if it was to happen, it would still get a lot of people excited, but to me it feels a bit like its 5-6 years too late.

Thurman is exciting but a bit limited.

Not sure that Khan has particularly great credentials to get in with Mayweather but Floyd has wiped the floor with everyone else, so he might as well do it with Khan and Pacquiao now there aren't any others left. Neither will give Floyd any problems and I can't see who would in the time he has left.

[Yiliterate]

Great fight between Mares and Ramirez!

[Chessers]

Lot of heart from Ramirez. Took sustained shots.

[Chessers]

9mm said:

Thurman is exciting but a bit limited.

Not sure that Khan has particularly great credentials to get in with Mayweather but Floyd has wiped the floor with everyone else, so he might as well do it with Khan and Pacquiao now there aren't any others left. Neither will give Floyd any problems and I can't see who would in the time he has left.

Wouldn't say he is looking limited, absolutely controlling this fight

[Yiliterate]

Andy Lee spoiler alert...

LEE'S DONE IT.....FKING BRILLIANT!!!!!! Delighted for him and for Adam Booth too!!!!

[Yiliterate]

Absolutely career-best performance from Khan for me. Pure, pure class...