The **BOXING** thread

[tuscaneer]

Amirhussain said:

tuscaneer said:

I don't think mayweather will fight khan after that . phenomenal performance yet again from amir.
Career best win for Andy Lee there . absolutely made up for him.wonder who's next??? I bet Peter quillin feels like a now for running g away from korobov! !

Think Billy Joe Saunders is going to fight Andy Lee soon, number 1 contender for his world title.

yeah, I think that will be his first defence in Ireland. big fight I reckon. all the irish travellers plus all the rest of them will make this a massive fight in Dublin. wouldn't fill the Aviva stadium but would certainly fill the o2 arena there.good fight but on the form from the weekend you've got to side with andy lee!

[tuscaneer]

menousername said:

Come on guys

As impressive as it was for Khan, and well done to him Pacquiao and Mayweather are levels above Alexander. A point victory over Alexander isn't a very reliable litmus test unfortunately.

Khan wouldn't be able to throw his combos without fear of being tagged hard or countered

Brook is also a big question mark...he took on a tough, powerful, fast, dirty fighter in Porter and took care of him by timing him rushing in and executing a strategy.

I have noticed Khan's strategy of late appears to be about timing his jab and then running his opponent down throwing combos to the head...when he does that he is coming forward with his hands too low because he is not recoiling fully to get his guard back up....because if he did he wouldn't be so fast with his combos. Someone with power and timing able to avoid that first jab can throw him out of his stride as he isncharging forward...could be risky

I don't think he'd beat mayweather but I can see him winning more rounds than anyone else has for a long time. Floyd doesn't like them fast , power punchers don't bother him because of his elusiveness but fast guys he doesn't like. if the recent chat is anything to go by we may see Floyd/many in may but I wouldn't hold my breath as Floyd is already talking down manny's share due to his fallen stock after the jmm knockout

[Yiliterate]

menousername said:

Come on guys

As impressive as it was for Khan, and well done to him Pacquiao and Mayweather are levels above Alexander. A point victory over Alexander isn't a very reliable litmus test unfortunately.

Khan wouldn't be able to throw his combos without fear of being tagged hard or countered

Brook is also a big question mark...he took on a tough, powerful, fast, dirty fighter in Porter and took care of him by timing him rushing in and executing a strategy.

I have noticed Khan's strategy of late appears to be about timing his jab and then running his opponent down throwing combos to the head...when he does that he is coming forward with his hands too low because he is not recoiling fully to get his guard back up....because if he did he wouldn't be so fast with his combos. Someone with power and timing able to avoid that first jab can throw him out of his stride as he isncharging forward...could be risky

C'mon...what's the back-story here?! You seem to have more than a passing interest in the sport, yet only seem to post on here to snipe at Khan. What's your beef with him...?!

[STW2010]

Porter is nowhere near as fast as Khan, plus Brook is a very upright fighter. That plays into Khan's hands.

[FredClogs]

Devon Alexander is a world level competitor in a very competitive division, Khan took him to pieces, I don't think there is much to argue about that. I've always been impressed by Khans speed, you have to really hate him (and I don't know why you would he always comes across ok to me) to not be impressed, I do have a worry about him getting caught though, for years he was like one of those footballers who dribbles past 5 people only to take it to the byline and run it out for a goal kick, I genuinely think he's too fast sometimes and against big punchers or very slick movers he can get picked off - but I'd love to see him against pacman or Mayweather I think he'd have a very good chance.

[menousername]

Yiliterate said:

C'mon...what's the back-story here?! You seem to have more than a passing interest in the sport, yet only seem to post on here to snipe at Khan. What's your beef with him...?!

No beef

I peruse all the forums and enjoy everyone's comments, usually only motivated to express my own when I really disagree with something. And re. bxoimg I peruse 24 and the Scene etc quite alot

As you may see I think I said I would jump aboard the hype train when he does take on the top in the division and perform well. Operating at the lower end of the division then claiming he can take on the PFP king is not what I want to see from Khan. I would rather see him modestly and more quickly work up through the division blasting away all comers, letting his boxing do his talking

And I would prefer less hype about him being world no1 PFP after a points victory over Devon

[Fittster]

menousername said:

Come on guys

As impressive as it was for Khan, and well done to him Pacquiao and Mayweather are levels above Alexander.

They were once but are either of them the fighters they once were? To me they are both trying to avoid the harder fights while they look for a few last pay days before retirement.

If I was Mayweather I'd rather fight an aged Pac-Man than someone like Khan.

I'm not a huge fan of Mayweather, for me to give him the respect he probably deserves I'd want him to step up to middleweight and fight Golovkin. The money would be huge for that one.

Edited by Fittster on Monday 15th December 10:16

[menousername]

Fittster said:

They were once but are either of them the fighters they once were? To me they are both trying to avoid the harder fights while they look for a few last pay days before retirement.

If I was Mayweather I'd rather fight an aged Pac-Man than someone like Khan.

I'm not a huge fan of Mayweather, for me to give him the respect he probably deserves I'd want him to step up to middleweight and fight Golovkin. The money would be huge for that one.

Edited by Fittster on Monday 15th December 10:16

Possibly, but if true doesn't that de-value any victory over those two? If they are on the slide? Does anyone give Khan credit for MAB?

I would love to get behind Khan and was behind him for the first half of his career but it's quite obvious he also does not want the tough fights - in the time he has been talking about Mayweather he should have already taken care of the likes of Porter, Brook, Thurman...if he is that good he should have already taken care of business....then....THEN...when he is the top contender....I could and would rally behind him. Alternatively, if he can't mix it with those guys but can give it a good go and a tough fight I could still rally behind him vs the likes of Devon were it not for him constantly saying he is the PFP best in the world. If he just campaigned the best he could with his boxing we could enjoy his skills even if he racked up a few more losses along the way. But here we are talking about Mayweather and Pac.

Plus can we honestly say Pac would not have dispatched Devon earlier
..perhaps with a mid-fight tko?

The idea that Khan is a tougher fight that Pac is not one I can agree with although I can appreciate the viewpoint

Edited by menousername on Monday 15th December 10:36

[dirty boy]

tuscaneer said:

dirty boy said:

tuscaneer said:

korobov looks fantastic and is unbeaten to boot.....but remains untested. but he is another eastern block amateur standout. 300-12 was his amateur career and a handful of world amateur gold medals to boot. I can't see past that and see him winning against lee on points (I don't see him as a murderous puncher and lee is quite durable)

Lee's amateur record isn't poor, nowhere on the level of Korobov, but there's just something about Korobov that fails to flatter me.

As you say, he's not a massive puncher and doesn't rely on accumulation of punches either, just very technical.

They're both southpaws and Lee working with Booth will add to him as an overall boxer. Like I said, all being said, Korobov is favourite and I see that, but something says Lee will pull this off.

I'll probably watch him get stacked out in a round now

top call that man!!
Against the grain pick but I doff my cap to you sir

As I said, more of a gut feeling, nothing technical about it!


So pleased for him though.

[Amirhussain]

menousername said:

Come on guys

As impressive as it was for Khan, and well done to him Pacquiao and Mayweather are levels above Alexander. A point victory over Alexander isn't a very reliable litmus test unfortunately.

Khan wouldn't be able to throw his combos without fear of being tagged hard or countered

Brook is also a big question mark...he took on a tough, powerful, fast, dirty fighter in Porter and took care of him by timing him rushing in and executing a strategy.

I have noticed Khan's strategy of late appears to be about timing his jab and then running his opponent down throwing combos to the head...when he does that he is coming forward with his hands too low because he is not recoiling fully to get his guard back up....because if he did he wouldn't be so fast with his combos. Someone with power and timing able to avoid that first jab can throw him out of his stride as he isncharging forward...could be risky

Devon Alexander, isn't a bum though, his a former world champion. Khan made him look very rubbish. He showed great footwork and lighting quick hand speed. I personally believe that Khan will smash Brook up. I watched Kell Brook talking after the fight, and he was burning inside! He was trying his best not to praise Amir Khan. Khan beings excitement, his a much bigger name than Brook even though Brook has a belt, Brook needs Khan to raise his profile.

Brooks only had one world title fight, and lets be honest, it was crap. He did enough to win though. Lets see him take on the Maidana's etc.

[STW2010]

The marker we have is that Khan and Porter both beat Alexander, however Khan did so far more convincingly. Brook didn't exactly thrash Porter, so for Khan vs Brook my money would definitely be on Khan.

Khan also beat Maidana more convincingly than Mayweather did in the first fight.

Khan is very much under rated. Had he not fked up when fighting Garcia then he would be more highly regarded, but he got it wrong on the night.

[Robatr0n]

STW2010 said:

The marker we have is that Khan and Porter both beat Alexander, however Khan did so far more convincingly. Brook didn't exactly thrash Porter, so for Khan vs Brook my money would definitely be on Khan.

Khan also beat Maidana more convincingly than Mayweather did in the first fight.

Khan is very much under rated. Had he not fked up when fighting Garcia then he would be more highly regarded, but he got it wrong on the night.

You're right, Khan is a far better boxer than his record suggests. I had him handily beating Garcia until he decided to stand and bang with him. I've been saying for years that he needs to fight more intelligently and he finally gave us that this weekend. He fought the perfect fight on the night! It was really enjoyable to watch.

One thing though, triangle theories don't really work in boxing. If that was the case, Ali shouldn't have ever bothered fighting Foreman as he would have been blown away if his fight with Frazier and Fraziers fight with Foreman were anything to go by.

I've mentioned this on here for years now, a pure boxer isn't going to beat Mayweather. There are a lot of comparisons to be held against Castillo and Maidana and look how close the both came. They had the same strategy, make it a rough tough fight and throw relentlessly from obscure angles. That's the only gameplan I can only ever see working against Mayweather, to bully him and rough him up and win a very closely contested brawl. No pure boxer will beat him unless they hold all the advantages (size, age, weight, height, reach....think Tommy Hearns).

If this Pacquiao fight ever materialises it will be intriguing as neither fighter has faced anyone like each other. But I see Mayweather having a much easier time than people think. Pacquiao doesn't smother and bully, he darts in to let his hands go and gets back out. Against Mayweather, he will eat counters and pot shots all night.

[Yiliterate]

menousername said:

Yiliterate said:

C'mon...what's the back-story here?! You seem to have more than a passing interest in the sport, yet only seem to post on here to snipe at Khan. What's your beef with him...?!

No beef

I peruse all the forums and enjoy everyone's comments, usually only motivated to express my own when I really disagree with something. And re. bxoimg I peruse 24 and the Scene etc quite alot

As you may see I think I said I would jump aboard the hype train when he does take on the top in the division and perform well. Operating at the lower end of the division then claiming he can take on the PFP king is not what I want to see from Khan. I would rather see him modestly and more quickly work up through the division blasting away all comers, letting his boxing do his talking

And I would prefer less hype about him being world no1 PFP after a points victory over Devon

Fair enough - I must admit, I was hoping for something a bit more salacious...in the finest traditions of Pistonheads, I was hoping for an 'Amir Khan Bummed My Dog!' type angle, but clearly not!

Never mind...

It's interesting you mention Boxing Scene and (presumably) Boxing News 24 - might you be confusing the comments (and tone of comment) you read on there with those on here? The reason I ask is that I can't recall anybody on here saying the Khan is the P4P best fighter in the world (frankly, I can't remember Khan saying it either, but there again I won't see/hear everything he says) or even opining where he would rank in the P4P top 10 - certainly not since the Petersen/Garcia fights. To say Khan was now the P4P king on the basis of the Alexander performance is the sort of 'forthright' (meaning strongly-expressed, myopic and not particularly well-balanced) views that are quite often posted on those sites, which then illicit equally 'forthright' views in the opposite direction. In my experience, that's just not the style on here...

[SR7492]

Amirhussain said:

menousername said:

Come on guys

As impressive as it was for Khan, and well done to him Pacquiao and Mayweather are levels above Alexander. A point victory over Alexander isn't a very reliable litmus test unfortunately.

Khan wouldn't be able to throw his combos without fear of being tagged hard or countered

Brook is also a big question mark...he took on a tough, powerful, fast, dirty fighter in Porter and took care of him by timing him rushing in and executing a strategy.

I have noticed Khan's strategy of late appears to be about timing his jab and then running his opponent down throwing combos to the head...when he does that he is coming forward with his hands too low because he is not recoiling fully to get his guard back up....because if he did he wouldn't be so fast with his combos. Someone with power and timing able to avoid that first jab can throw him out of his stride as he isncharging forward...could be risky

Devon Alexander, isn't a bum though, his a former world champion. Khan made him look very rubbish. He showed great footwork and lighting quick hand speed. I personally believe that Khan will smash Brook up. I watched Kell Brook talking after the fight, and he was burning inside! He was trying his best not to praise Amir Khan. Khan beings excitement, his a much bigger name than Brook even though Brook has a belt, Brook needs Khan to raise his profile.

Brooks only had one world title fight, and lets be honest, it was crap. He did enough to win though. Lets see him take on the Maidana's etc.

I must admit, I did chuckle at Kell talking after the fight; the whole 'don't jump the queue and I'll hurt khan' sounded so desperate.

I think Kell is a good boxer but he isn't a great boxer; he simply hasn't fought anyone decent in his career. He has been winning with guys who aren't rated. The real acid test for Kell is the next 2-3 fights. No doubt he'll have a nice and easy 'mandatory' tune up in March but he then has to land someone big like Maidana/Thurman/PacMan/Garcia to really prove himself. Just having the belt doesn't really mean you are good enough.

Khan on the other hand has never shyed away from fighting the big names; I remember him call out Bradley a couple of years ago but Bradley bottled it. Then holding the belt and going to DC to fight in Peterson's back yard was pretty brave, he didn't have to.

All this nonsense that Khan or whoever doesn't deserve a fight with Mayweather or Manny is just pathetic. Floyd's last two fights with Maidana have been 'dull', lets be honest. As true boxing fans, who else is out there for Floyd or Manny that will actually give them a proper fight? I genuinely can only think of Khan of actually having a decent chance against both; whereas anybody else is hardly in with a chance.

[JuniorD]

For a very long time Khan was hugely overrated but now I think he's fairly rated now. I still don't think he could beat Mayweather. With those low hands he'll get tagged too easily. Still, anything can happen in the ring and fair play to him for being game enough to think he can do it.

[dirty boy]

Just something i'd like to bring up on the coverage of boxing.

Sky have recently upped their game with Neville and Carragher doing the in depth analysis of football, we get statistics galore for us fans to pour over for ours considering the finer details of the game.

When is Boxing going to catch up?

The best we get is a record card and if we're lucky a tale of the tape. Ringside have technical stuff, Nelson being a really good presenter for a boxing show, but I always feel us fans are missing out on so much.

Corners. Foul language is probably the issue, but i'd love to hear 'exactly' what both corners are saying. If advertising is an issue, get a 'ticker tape' along the bottom, no different to advertising hoardings at football matches. Sometimes we're lucky, other times we're not.

I'd like clearer information on fight night weights, yes they weighed the same, but what about on fight night, we often have to google furiously for that kind of information, make it available instantly so we have something else to talk about.

Referee. Rugby does it, let's hear what he has to say.

Anything else you'd like to see introduced.

[JuniorD]

dirty boy said:

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Anything else you'd like to see introduced.

Jim Neilly as manadtory commentator on all televised bouts.

More extensive footage of ring girls, includuing entrance and exit to ring.

[KareemK]

Yeah, I was waiting for the first "I'd like to see her 'ring entrance' please" comment.

[Yiliterate]

JuniorD said:

dirty boy said:

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Anything else you'd like to see introduced.

Jim Neilly as manadtory commentator on all televised bouts.

More extensive footage of ring girls, includuing entrance and exit to ring.

We should be able to select the voice that we hear doing the commentary - a bit like you can on most sat-navs these days. I mean, who wouldn't want the commentary of Adam Smith and Jim Watt to be delivered in the voices of, say, Joe Pasquale and Zed out of Police Academy if they had the choice?!

Edited by Yiliterate on Monday 15th December 16:31

[menousername]

Yiliterate said:

Fair enough - I must admit, I was hoping for something a bit more salacious...in the finest traditions of Pistonheads, I was hoping for an 'Amir Khan Bummed My Dog!' type angle, but clearly not!

Never mind...

It's interesting you mention Boxing Scene and (presumably) Boxing News 24 - might you be confusing the comments (and tone of comment) you read on there with those on here? The reason I ask is that I can't recall anybody on here saying the Khan is the P4P best fighter in the world (frankly, I can't remember Khan saying it either, but there again I won't see/hear everything he says) or even opining where he would rank in the P4P top 10 - certainly not since the Petersen/Garcia fights. To say Khan was now the P4P king on the basis of the Alexander performance is the sort of 'forthright' (meaning strongly-expressed, myopic and not particularly well-balanced) views that are quite often posted on those sites, which then illicit equally 'forthright' views in the opposite direction. In my experience, that's just not the style on here...

Well....i just thought that if people are rating Khan's chances against the likes of Mayweather and Pacquiao they (generic "they" not at you) are basically saying he is a PFP no1 contender...based on a points victory over Devon...I thought if I put it that way it may put it back into perspective

And my quote / reply to your post was just to explain I have no problem with Khan generally. Rest of the post i went on to make was just general commenting not directed at anyone.

24 in particlar does descend into poor commenting and trash talking I do admit...that's a shame

Really enjoy hearing everyone's analysis hope this thread continues to be popular

Generally don't favour any one boxer just enjoy following the sport...tend to favour the underdog sometimes though. But that's why...its frustration more than hatred of Khan...he should have been more active should have backed it up dealt with the big names in his new weight and now be talking himself up with that CV behind him...he had the time to do that...all he can do now is continue to talk it up in the desparate hope he will land Mayweather...if he now tries to build the CV you are looking at 2 years and that's too late...Mayweathers definitely retired by then...too little too late. This weekend pretty much everyone called out Mayweather...everyone in the weight wants that fight...that's where Khan is...take a number, wait and hope like everyone else.

For what its worth I think Brook can take Khan in a difficult close fight by timing him as he comes in. But like I said I have no preference either way...just fight...