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Just need Mayweather to stop messing about now, so anyone booking a flight would be advised to ensure sure the airline allows cancellations!
ESPN said:
Pacquiao and Top Rank, his promoter, have agreed to terms for a May 2 bout, Top Rank vice president Carl Moretti told ESPN.com on Tuesday night, although Mayweather has not yet agreed to terms and it remains to be seen if he will.
According to a source involved in the negotiations, Pacquiao has agreed to a 40 percent cut of the revenue, leaving Mayweather with the remaining 60 percent of a fight
If the fight is finalized, it would take place May 2 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Moretti said.
Top Rank initially wanted to go in June to leave May 2 open for another major fight it is trying to finalize -- middleweight champion Miguel Cotto against former junior middleweight titlist Alvarez, a date Alvarez desperately wants to fight on because it is Cinco de Mayo weekend and he is Mexico's most popular active fighter.
But Top Rank gave in on the date, one Mayweather has insisted on, along with a host of other aspects of the fight.
The sides are so far along that they have drafted contracts, according to the Pacquiao side. While the Pacquiao camp agreed to terms, the attorneys on Mayweather's side indicated there were still open issues, although what they are is not clear, according to a source.
According to the Pacquiao side, everything was agreed to, including the gloves and drug testing. As far as the gloves go, each fighter would be able to select their own brand of 8-ounce gloves. Mayweather typically wears Grant gloves and Pacquiao fights in Cleto Reyes.
Moretti said Pacquiao (57-5-2, 38 KOs), 36, who has subjected himself (and his opponents) to random testing by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association for his recent bouts, has gone so far as to agree to use the United States Anti-Doping Agency, which has randomly tested Mayweather (and his opponents) for years.
"I think that Manny agreed to USADA testing shows you his eagerness to make this fight," Moretti said.
Both [tv] networks have said that they are willing to work together for what would be a joint pay-per-view telecast, similar to what they did for another fight that had been demanded by the public for years -- the 2002 heavyweight championship fight between then-champion Lennox Lewis, who was under contract to HBO, and Mike Tyson, who was with Showtime.
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/12164550/manny-pacquiao-agrees-terms-fight-floyd-mayweatherAccording to a source involved in the negotiations, Pacquiao has agreed to a 40 percent cut of the revenue, leaving Mayweather with the remaining 60 percent of a fight
If the fight is finalized, it would take place May 2 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Moretti said.
Top Rank initially wanted to go in June to leave May 2 open for another major fight it is trying to finalize -- middleweight champion Miguel Cotto against former junior middleweight titlist Alvarez, a date Alvarez desperately wants to fight on because it is Cinco de Mayo weekend and he is Mexico's most popular active fighter.
But Top Rank gave in on the date, one Mayweather has insisted on, along with a host of other aspects of the fight.
The sides are so far along that they have drafted contracts, according to the Pacquiao side. While the Pacquiao camp agreed to terms, the attorneys on Mayweather's side indicated there were still open issues, although what they are is not clear, according to a source.
According to the Pacquiao side, everything was agreed to, including the gloves and drug testing. As far as the gloves go, each fighter would be able to select their own brand of 8-ounce gloves. Mayweather typically wears Grant gloves and Pacquiao fights in Cleto Reyes.
Moretti said Pacquiao (57-5-2, 38 KOs), 36, who has subjected himself (and his opponents) to random testing by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association for his recent bouts, has gone so far as to agree to use the United States Anti-Doping Agency, which has randomly tested Mayweather (and his opponents) for years.
"I think that Manny agreed to USADA testing shows you his eagerness to make this fight," Moretti said.
Both [tv] networks have said that they are willing to work together for what would be a joint pay-per-view telecast, similar to what they did for another fight that had been demanded by the public for years -- the 2002 heavyweight championship fight between then-champion Lennox Lewis, who was under contract to HBO, and Mike Tyson, who was with Showtime.
Is there anyone that bothered anymore? To me Pacman isn't the fighter he once was and you can make an argument that Mayweather skills have also both been reduced by time.
Reminds me of the second Bernard Hopkins vs. Roy Jones, Jr. fight. To past it men fighting now before they become completely irrelevant.
Reminds me of the second Bernard Hopkins vs. Roy Jones, Jr. fight. To past it men fighting now before they become completely irrelevant.
Yazar said:
Just need Mayweather to stop messing about now, so anyone booking a flight would be advised to ensure sure the airline allows cancellations!
Really?Nobody has a clue as to what has been signed and by whom. Arum just last week said that he hasn't heard a thing from Mayweather or Haymon and yet this week they've apparently been in talks for 3 weeks.
I want both parties to put to bed their differences and fight or just retire.
Fittster said:
Is there anyone that bothered anymore? To me Pacman isn't the fighter he once was and you can make an argument that Mayweather skills have also both been reduced by time.
Reminds me of the second Bernard Hopkins vs. Roy Jones, Jr. fight. To past it men fighting now before they become completely irrelevant.
The fight has certainly lost some of it's appeal but these two guys are still head and shoulders above everyone else at Welterweight (with the exception of Marquez ofcourse) so it's still the best fight to be made.Reminds me of the second Bernard Hopkins vs. Roy Jones, Jr. fight. To past it men fighting now before they become completely irrelevant.
I think they have both lost a step so in theory it should be fairly similar to how you'd imagine a fight between them would have played out in their primes.
Robatr0n said:
The fight has certainly lost some of it's appeal but these two guys are still head and shoulders above everyone else at Welterweight (with the exception of Marquez ofcourse) so it's still the best fight to be made.
I think they have both lost a step so in theory it should be fairly similar to how you'd imagine a fight between them would have played out in their primes.
hmmm.....can't agree there fella. mayweather might not be as fleet of foot as he was a few years ago but his style of timing people with razor sharp counters still looks to be as quick and focused as ever. I think of both their styles of fighting manny's has definitely suffered more as he's got older. his whirlwind million miles an hour days are long behind him.I think they have both lost a step so in theory it should be fairly similar to how you'd imagine a fight between them would have played out in their primes.
if I had to put a time frame on it Floyd is a few years past his best and has lost a bit of his edge.
manny , I would say, was at his ferocious peak 7 or 8 years ago when he was fresh off smashing barrera and morales to bits before wrecking de la hoya , hatton and cotto....... but he's nowhere near that guy any more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-yVrzt0v_Y
Sorry for the change of topic but just the link to Stivere v Wilder Showtime pre fight if anyones interested.
Sorry for the change of topic but just the link to Stivere v Wilder Showtime pre fight if anyones interested.
tuscaneer said:
hmmm.....can't agree there fella. mayweather might not be as fleet of foot as he was a few years ago but his style of timing people with razor sharp counters still looks to be as quick and focused as ever. I think of both their styles of fighting manny's has definitely suffered more as he's got older. his whirlwind million miles an hour days are long behind him.
if I had to put a time frame on it Floyd is a few years past his best and has lost a bit of his edge.
manny , I would say, was at his ferocious peak 7 or 8 years ago when he was fresh off smashing barrera and morales to bits before wrecking de la hoya , hatton and cotto....... but he's nowhere near that guy any more.
Sorry, I wasn't very clear!if I had to put a time frame on it Floyd is a few years past his best and has lost a bit of his edge.
manny , I would say, was at his ferocious peak 7 or 8 years ago when he was fresh off smashing barrera and morales to bits before wrecking de la hoya , hatton and cotto....... but he's nowhere near that guy any more.
You're right in a sense. Mayweather is going to fair better because he hasn't really been using power and pure athleticism to overcome his opponents since his days at 130. Since his fight with Baldomir, he has used impeccable timing and has continued to utilise those sharp counters. I think the Maindana fight is a bit of a smoke screen because he is such a wild fighter (similar to what Ali said of Marciano) and Mayweather really struggled to pick him off when he threw that overhead right hand. He won both fights but had to work hard and got roughed up in the process.
Pacquiao isn't the guy he once was but he doesn't have the same boxing fundamentals to fall back on either. Ok, he looked sensational against Algieri but let's be fair, he didn't really belong in the ring with Manny and didn't possess the power neccessary to hurt Manny. To my mind, the best Pacquiao has looked in recent years was his last fight against Marquez! He looked strong, fast and completely fearless which was his ultimate undoing. But prior to the stoppage it was a great tear-up and I felt as though momentum was swaying towards Pacquiao before he got sloppy.
But all that aside, what I was trying to say (that I didn't get across too well!) is that in their primes I would have Mayweather negating Pacquiao's attacks with his foot movement and keeping him honest with those stinging right hand counters. I think the result would be the same whenever these guys fought, a UD win for Mayweather.
Neither guy is prime but they are still the best two fighters in the division. Mayweather reminds me of a better version of Hopkins. As he gets older and can no longer do something, he sharpens up other areas of his game. Pacquiao has always relied on that speed which is definitely not as apparent as it once was.
I know we disagree on the outcome in their primes but I think it's a crime that both fighters have denied us of that.
Robatr0n said:
Sorry, I wasn't very clear!
You're right in a sense. Mayweather is going to fair better because he hasn't really been using power and pure athleticism to overcome his opponents since his days at 130. Since his fight with Baldomir, he has used impeccable timing and has continued to utilise those sharp counters. I think the Maindana fight is a bit of a smoke screen because he is such a wild fighter (similar to what Ali said of Marciano) and Mayweather really struggled to pick him off when he threw that overhead right hand. He won both fights but had to work hard and got roughed up in the process.
Pacquiao isn't the guy he once was but he doesn't have the same boxing fundamentals to fall back on either. Ok, he looked sensational against Algieri but let's be fair, he didn't really belong in the ring with Manny and didn't possess the power neccessary to hurt Manny. To my mind, the best Pacquiao has looked in recent years was his last fight against Marquez! He looked strong, fast and completely fearless which was his ultimate undoing. But prior to the stoppage it was a great tear-up and I felt as though momentum was swaying towards Pacquiao before he got sloppy.
But all that aside, what I was trying to say (that I didn't get across too well!) is that in their primes I would have Mayweather negating Pacquiao's attacks with his foot movement and keeping him honest with those stinging right hand counters. I think the result would be the same whenever these guys fought, a UD win for Mayweather.
Neither guy is prime but they are still the best two fighters in the division. Mayweather reminds me of a better version of Hopkins. As he gets older and can no longer do something, he sharpens up other areas of his game. Pacquiao has always relied on that speed which is definitely not as apparent as it once was.
I know we disagree on the outcome in their primes but I think it's a crime that both fighters have denied us of that.
definitely agree on that last sentence fella! I've swung one way and the other on who to blame but you're right, we'll never know who truly was to blame...You're right in a sense. Mayweather is going to fair better because he hasn't really been using power and pure athleticism to overcome his opponents since his days at 130. Since his fight with Baldomir, he has used impeccable timing and has continued to utilise those sharp counters. I think the Maindana fight is a bit of a smoke screen because he is such a wild fighter (similar to what Ali said of Marciano) and Mayweather really struggled to pick him off when he threw that overhead right hand. He won both fights but had to work hard and got roughed up in the process.
Pacquiao isn't the guy he once was but he doesn't have the same boxing fundamentals to fall back on either. Ok, he looked sensational against Algieri but let's be fair, he didn't really belong in the ring with Manny and didn't possess the power neccessary to hurt Manny. To my mind, the best Pacquiao has looked in recent years was his last fight against Marquez! He looked strong, fast and completely fearless which was his ultimate undoing. But prior to the stoppage it was a great tear-up and I felt as though momentum was swaying towards Pacquiao before he got sloppy.
But all that aside, what I was trying to say (that I didn't get across too well!) is that in their primes I would have Mayweather negating Pacquiao's attacks with his foot movement and keeping him honest with those stinging right hand counters. I think the result would be the same whenever these guys fought, a UD win for Mayweather.
Neither guy is prime but they are still the best two fighters in the division. Mayweather reminds me of a better version of Hopkins. As he gets older and can no longer do something, he sharpens up other areas of his game. Pacquiao has always relied on that speed which is definitely not as apparent as it once was.
I know we disagree on the outcome in their primes but I think it's a crime that both fighters have denied us of that.
it was interesting watching the carl froch special on bt sport........ he was telling paul Dempsey that the public never have a clue about the smoke and mirrors negotiations of pinning down fights.
he was telling him that his continual refusal to grant groves the rematch was a deliberate ploy to make sure groves got himself into mandatory for the ibf to reduce his bargaining power ie. George became just another contender rather than a genuine even draw at the negotiating tabel...
.... the net result??? an 85/15 split in froch's favour.!!!
I still think the mayweather that squeaked past de la hoya versus the pacquiao that wrecked dela hoya (given how we've seen mayweather wobbled on a few occasions when caught) would get stopped. he just wouldn't be comfortable with that volume of shots and being forced to fight at such a frantic pace.
tuscaneer said:
it was interesting watching the carl froch special on bt sport........ he was telling paul Dempsey that the public never have a clue about the smoke and mirrors negotiations of pinning down fights.
he was telling him that his continual refusal to grant groves the rematch was a deliberate ploy to make sure groves got himself into mandatory for the ibf to reduce his bargaining power ie. George became just another contender rather than a genuine even draw at the negotiating tabel...
.... the net result??? an 85/15 split in froch's favour.!!!
Absolutely, and from memory I think I was advocating that once it was clear Froch wasn't going to grant him a rematch, Groves should switch his attentions Bika or Abraham, get himself a belt, then come back to the negotiating table on an equal footing. Groves dropped a right bhe was telling him that his continual refusal to grant groves the rematch was a deliberate ploy to make sure groves got himself into mandatory for the ibf to reduce his bargaining power ie. George became just another contender rather than a genuine even draw at the negotiating tabel...
.... the net result??? an 85/15 split in froch's favour.!!!
lock not appointing me as his advisor, I tell ya!!!!...though in fairness to Groves, the cut I'd intended to take as his advisor would have almost certainly meant he did better taking the thin end of the 85/15!
Yiliterate said:
Absolutely, and from memory I think I was advocating that once it was clear Froch wasn't going to grant him a rematch, Groves should switch his attentions Bika or Abraham, get himself a belt, then come back to the negotiating table on an equal footing. Groves dropped a right block not appointing me as his advisor, I tell ya!!!!
...though in fairness to Groves, the cut I'd intended to take as his advisor would have almost certainly meant he did better taking the thin end of the 85/15!
you don-king-a-like tlock not appointing me as his advisor, I tell ya!!!!...though in fairness to Groves, the cut I'd intended to take as his advisor would have almost certainly meant he did better taking the thin end of the 85/15!
t!!!! I would have only taken half his purse for my services. all heart me, see.....the irony of that situation was that groves would have easily beaten both bika and Abraham.......unification fight for 50% of the biggest post war gate in british history......bet he feels a right twunt now!!
tuscaneer said:
Yiliterate said:
Absolutely, and from memory I think I was advocating that once it was clear Froch wasn't going to grant him a rematch, Groves should switch his attentions Bika or Abraham, get himself a belt, then come back to the negotiating table on an equal footing. Groves dropped a right block not appointing me as his advisor, I tell ya!!!!
...though in fairness to Groves, the cut I'd intended to take as his advisor would have almost certainly meant he did better taking the thin end of the 85/15!
you don-king-a-like tlock not appointing me as his advisor, I tell ya!!!!...though in fairness to Groves, the cut I'd intended to take as his advisor would have almost certainly meant he did better taking the thin end of the 85/15!
t!!!! I would have only taken half his purse for my services. all heart me, see.....the irony of that situation was that groves would have easily beaten both bika and Abraham.......unification fight for 50% of the biggest post war gate in british history......bet he feels a right twunt now!!
To be honest, I really hope Groves is taking a bit of time out to get some proper rest. As much as I admire him for keeping his pecker up and getting straight back 'on the horse' and into the title mix by fighting the WBC eliminator against Rebrasse, and then taking the keep-busy fight on the Bellew-Cleverly show, in those two fights - particularly the latter - I thought he looked noticeably jaded. Little wonder really when you consider what he's gone through in the last 15 or so months; not just the two massive fights with Froch but the drama around them (especially the lead-up to the Wembley show), the split with Adam Booth and trying to take care of his own affairs, etc. All that would take a lot out of anyone and if he doesn't give himself the chance to recharge the batteries, he could find himself making harder work of the next opportunity than it already would be...
Can't see Manny going the distance. I'm sure he will come out all guns blazing for a short while and may even trouble Mayweather initially but he will need to get lucky in those opening rounds/exchanges to have any hope. But if Mayweather really goes for it from the start then it could be embarrassing.
I can't see that myself. Going all out against a legitimate puncher like Pacquiao isn't a great idea. If anything, that would see Mayweather on his back!
The only way Pacquiao gets stopped is if he keeps jumping into those sharp right hand counters all fight long and begins to fatigue until he gets clipped by a big right hand he doesn't see. That's the only scenario I can see Mayweather managing to stop him. If this fight does happen Mayweather will look the best he has done in years because he will have to be on point and sharp.
One thing worth mentioning though is that both fighters will be fighting someone without having to overcome a 15-20lbs weight disadvantage. It's fairly well documented that both men rarely hydrate more than 3-4lbs after weigh in.
The only way Pacquiao gets stopped is if he keeps jumping into those sharp right hand counters all fight long and begins to fatigue until he gets clipped by a big right hand he doesn't see. That's the only scenario I can see Mayweather managing to stop him. If this fight does happen Mayweather will look the best he has done in years because he will have to be on point and sharp.
One thing worth mentioning though is that both fighters will be fighting someone without having to overcome a 15-20lbs weight disadvantage. It's fairly well documented that both men rarely hydrate more than 3-4lbs after weigh in.
TheForceV4 said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-yVrzt0v_Y
Sorry for the change of topic but just the link to Stivere v Wilder Showtime pre fight if anyones interested.
Really looking forward to this. If Wilder steps up, then the division is his for the taking. I would love to see him against Joshua, or one of the Klitschko's. Sorry for the change of topic but just the link to Stivere v Wilder Showtime pre fight if anyones interested.
This is a big bout for both.
Stiverne is a very durable guy and his one defeat seemed a bit contentious. I'm sceptical about the hype of Wilder (plus Haye gave him a pasting in sparring), so am yet to be properly convinced.
I'm going to sit on the fence for this one and just hope that we get a good fight!
Stiverne is a very durable guy and his one defeat seemed a bit contentious. I'm sceptical about the hype of Wilder (plus Haye gave him a pasting in sparring), so am yet to be properly convinced.
I'm going to sit on the fence for this one and just hope that we get a good fight!
Moominho said:
Really looking forward to this. If Wilder steps up, then the division is his for the taking. I would love to see him against Joshua, or one of the Klitschko's.
his record and larger than life persona make him a draw for sure.........but the division isn't his for the taking while he's getting smashed to bits in sparring. he's wild and hard hitting but his is a mandible of pure glass i'm afraid. wladimir, haye , povetkin , stiverne , pulev , fury all beat him in my honest opinion.......and let's not forget the up and comers like glazkov......Gassing Station | Sports | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff