The **BOXING** thread

[STW2010]

Haye fought the other one.

Yes, all fair points about Vitali too.

What I would actually like to see is Wladimir retiring now also, throwing 3x belts out as vacant. It would basically be a massive tournament to find the best heavyweights around!

[Yiliterate]

tuscaneer said:

FredClogs said:

Don't forget Haye had a sore toe when he fought Vitali.

haha!!! very good!!


oh, and he didn't fight vitali by the way!! but i'll let you off,your quip still stands

That's just a technicality - it's widely accepted now that Vitali and Wladimir are actually being played by the same person; you know, a bit like Eddie Murphy in the Nutty Professor.

I think he also plays Bernd Boente too but that requires more make-up so you don't see him so often...

Edited by Yiliterate on Monday 19th January 14:20

[tuscaneer]

STW2010 said:

Haye fought the other one.

Yes, all fair points about Vitali too.

What I would actually like to see is Wladimir retiring now also, throwing 3x belts out as vacant. It would basically be a massive tournament to find the best heavyweights around!

the problem you've got is that wladimir wants all the belts back in the family. povetkin is now mandatory for wilder's wbc belt so expect to see that change hands after deontay takes a first voluntary....

.....then, you have wlad fighting Bryant Jennings followed by fury (if he turns up) which all leads up to the back end of the year.

will povetkin fancy losing his freshly acquired strap to wladimir in a fight he knows he can't win( should he beat wilder of course)?? unlikely in my book .

we'll have to see how it plays out but at 39 wladimir is looking to have slipped slightly in the speed stakes but certainly not in the power stakes.

he's having a great time wiping out his mandatories because he's (still ) head and shoulders above the rest of the field. every time he beats another one his legacy grows, he inches closer to joe Louis's record and slots any where from 15-20 million euros per fight + sponsorship deals.

if I was wlad i'd certainly go for a few more fights and become the longest reigning champ in history. we certainly won't see a repeat career in our life times

[tuscaneer]

Yiliterate said:

That's just a technicality - it's widely accepted now that Vitali and Wladimir are actually being played by the same person; you know, a bit like Eddie Murphy in the Nutty Professor.

I think he also plays Bernd Boente too but that requires more make-up so you don't see him so often...

Edited by Yiliterate on Monday 19th January 14:20

I bet it takes hours to get the "boente" look!! that fkin haircut is delicious!!

method acting at it's very best

[FredClogs]

Yiliterate said:

tuscaneer said:

FredClogs said:

Don't forget Haye had a sore toe when he fought Vitali.

haha!!! very good!!


oh, and he didn't fight vitali by the way!! but i'll let you off,your quip still stands

That's just a technicality - it's widely accepted now that Vitali and Wladimir are actually being played by the same person; you know, a bit like Eddie Murphy in the Nutty Professor.

I think he also plays Bernd Boente too but that requires more make-up so you don't see him so often...

Edited by Yiliterate on Monday 19th January 14:20

Ha ha. Must remember to only ever refer to the "Klitchko(s)".

[Yiliterate]

tuscaneer said:

Yiliterate said:

That's just a technicality - it's widely accepted now that Vitali and Wladimir are actually being played by the same person; you know, a bit like Eddie Murphy in the Nutty Professor.

I think he also plays Bernd Boente too but that requires more make-up so you don't see him so often...

Edited by Yiliterate on Monday 19th January 14:20

I bet it takes hours to get the "boente" look!! that fkin haircut is delicious!!

method acting at it's very best

Actually, it's not that difficult - bottle of peroxide, a couple of litres of fake tan, a pair of trendy glasses and Bob's Bernd's your uncle...!

[Yiliterate]

FredClogs said:

Yiliterate said:

tuscaneer said:

FredClogs said:

Don't forget Haye had a sore toe when he fought Vitali.

haha!!! very good!!


oh, and he didn't fight vitali by the way!! but i'll let you off,your quip still stands

That's just a technicality - it's widely accepted now that Vitali and Wladimir are actually being played by the same person; you know, a bit like Eddie Murphy in the Nutty Professor.

I think he also plays Bernd Boente too but that requires more make-up so you don't see him so often...

Edited by Yiliterate on Monday 19th January 14:20

Ha ha. Must remember to only ever refer to the "Klitchko(s)".

Correct! To the ouside world they are one and the same, but we 'ITKs' can discuss those subtle differences between the two characters and feel smug in the superiority of our understanding!

[Yiliterate]

Apparently the reason for Stiverne's below-par performance was 'severe dehydration'...

http://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/bermane-stive...

Struggling with this one to be honest. Stiverne didn't have to boil himself down to make the weight and it's not as if they were fighting in an outdoor arena in Texas in the middle of July either. Also, if it had been caused by an illness (e.g. food poisoning or something), I'm sure Don King would have been the first to offer that as an explanation. Just doesn't seem to add up to me...

[tuscaneer]

Yiliterate said:

Apparently the reason for Stiverne's below-par performance was 'severe dehydration'...

http://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/bermane-stive...

Struggling with this one to be honest. Stiverne didn't have to boil himself down to make the weight and it's not as if they were fighting in an outdoor arena in Texas in the middle of July either. Also, if it had been caused by an illness (e.g. food poisoning or something), I'm sure Don King would have been the first to offer that as an explanation. Just doesn't seem to add up to me...

all very strange!.......he did fight a shocking fight. he looked like a different fighter when he was all slick en route to smashing arreola to bits.

[tuscaneer]

oh, and have a look at this from klitschko's facebook page......

rumours doing the rounds that vitali is toying with the idea of using his "champion emeritus" status to come out of retirement again to sort wilder out. I can't see it myself.....mayor of kiev must be a pretty time consuming job. also, with the recent death of fritz szdunek he would be without his lifelong trainer.......


.......but he looks in fkin good shape a couple of days ago!!!!!!

[Yiliterate]

tuscaneer said:

oh, and have a look at this from klitschko's facebook page......

rumours doing the rounds that vitali is toying with the idea of using his "champion emeritus" status to come out of retirement again to sort wilder out. I can't see it myself.....mayor of kiev must be a pretty time consuming job. also, with the recent death of fritz szdunek he would be without his lifelong trainer.......


.......but he looks in fkin good shape a couple of days ago!!!!!!

Hang on, you missed one...

[tuscaneer]

ha!! i know who i'd rather fight!!

[Yiliterate]

More interested in seeing Froch fight Hopkins than Chavez...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-29...

[tuscaneer]

Yiliterate said:

More interested in seeing Froch fight Hopkins than Chavez...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-29...

since he started bleating about fighting chavez i was never excited to be honest. at this stage i'm not sure what beating a 50 year old hopkins would prove other than a healthy pay cheque........which is no bad thing i suppose!

i'd definately want to see it

[Yiliterate]

tuscaneer said:

since he started bleating about fighting chavez i was never excited to be honest. at this stage i'm not sure what beating a 50 year old hopkins would prove other than a healthy pay cheque........which is no bad thing i suppose!

i'd definately want to see it

I genuinely don't begrudge Froch a big payday to send him off into retirement; as I've said on here before, he more than anyone has earned that. What I find slightly disingenuous though is Froch's insistence that he couldn't get motivated for the likes of Groves (first time around) and now DeGale because they were essentially beneath him, yet apparently is chomping at the bit to line up someone who hasn't been at championship level since being comprehensively outclassed by Martinez two-and-a-bit years ago, has subsequently served a suspension for cannabis usage and has not done much of note since returning.

You know, the more I think about it, my only real issue with the fight is his and Eddie Hearn's continual presentation of it as a wonderful, glorious climax to his career. I'd say pretty much all Froch's supporters, and those that follow the sport, understand what it is so why try and pretend otherwise at this stage of the game? That said, I guess they were always going to try and present it in the best light so I really shouldn't complain...!

Regarding the potential fight with Hopkins, for me it would be intriguing to see Froch facing a different kind of challenge - something more cerebral. That's a fight with genuine interest I'd say...

[FredClogs]

I hear Andre Ward has got two feet back in the ring after years of legal shenanigans and promotional mishaps... I'd say Win, Lose or Draw this is the only fight that makes sense to Froch, regardless of the money, for me it's worth the risk, the only way he gets true legacy and a rubber stamp on his career is my tempting Ward to fight him. And this time Carl - don't touch him up, knock him out.

[Robatr0n]

I'm glad to hear that Ward is going to be getting back in the ring. It's terrible that a top tier fighter like him has been sat on the sideline due to legal issues. But let's not get ahead of ourselves, Froch would once again be comprehensively outboxed by Ward and there's really no shame in saying that.

I think Froch deserves a nice big payday before he retires and walks off into the sunset and sadly he won't get that facing the likes of Groves, Degale, Ward and GGG (gutted about this, would have been a great tear-up). The only way he gets his final farewell is facing a household name such as Chavez Jr(despite him being no real threat and his current issues) or Hopkins.

For me, a Froch vs Hopkins fight is the perfect send off for both fighters. I wouldn't see it being an easy fight for either one of them but I can't help but feel that Hopkins, even at his advanced age, may still be too much for Froch and he would probably wind up beating him by a very close decision.

[Yiliterate]

Robatr0n said:

I think Froch deserves a nice big payday before he retires and walks off into the sunset and sadly he won't get that facing the likes of Groves, Degale, Ward and GGG (gutted about this, would have been a great tear-up). The only way he gets his final farewell is facing a household name such as Chavez Jr(despite him being no real threat and his current issues) or Hopkins.

You know something, the more I think about it, the more I get the feeling that this insistence by Matchroom that, financially, the fight with Chavez is head and shoulders above any others out there might just have a bit of spin on it to justify the decision. I know it would (probably) be on PPV in the US, but just how many buys would Chavez vs Froch actually get...?

I'm sure Chavez vs Martinez did very good numbers but at that stage Martinez was still in the Top 5 P4P fighters around and a well established name in the US, while Chavez was undefeated in 40-odd fights. Add to that both were holding versions of the World title and throw in the Latino vs Latino angle and it's a sure-fire hit. In contrast, Froch - though highly regarded in the boxing community - is an unproven draw in the US (unlike say Amir Khan) whilst Chavez's stock is obviously well below where it was. Moreover I haven't heard anyone give any opinion other than it would be a pretty straighforward night for Froch. So where is this confidence coming from that Americans are going to be queuing up to pay $65 or whatever it is to see this fight...?! On a risk-reward basis, I've little doubt it's the best option but in absolute terms...well, it might be, but I'm really struggling to see it being emphatically so...

Edited by Yiliterate on Tuesday 20th January 16:08

[Yiliterate]

Pretty terse...

http://www.frankwarren.com/news/press-releases/201...

Really wonder where Gavin will go from here. Not impossible Matchroom would offer him something but I'd be surprised...

[London424]

Kell Brook v Jo Jo Dan (who's he) I think Kell needs a better promoter.