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shaunsmith said:
It's going take someone with a granite chin who can dish it out plus ain't scared of anyone, that's Carl Froch, I would too put Kessler in that category.
Froch would be totally up for battle with Golovkin unlike he was for Groves. Would be a tremendous scrap.....
It would be a good fight, BUT Groves did cause Froch problems with his punch power. Froch certainly has a granite chin but I seriously doubt he would last 12 rounds against Golovkin, as Golovkin is accurate (and relentless) and Froch is quite easy to hit.Froch would be totally up for battle with Golovkin unlike he was for Groves. Would be a tremendous scrap.....
It would be a case of two boxers trying to take the centre of the ring, and something would have to give. Golovkin wins that ultimately, but it would be a good tussle whilst it lasted.
FredClogs said:
Smith vs Abraham, tough to watch as a Brit, I genuinely thought Smith was right to feel aggrieved after the first bout but seems Abraham was holding back something on that night, hope Smith can recover from this and come again.
Yeah that must be pretty disheartening. Smith so close to winning or should have won the first fight. Hope he does recover and come back stronger. Abraham v Felix Sturm?
STW2010 said:
shaunsmith said:
It's going take someone with a granite chin who can dish it out plus ain't scared of anyone, that's Carl Froch, I would too put Kessler in that category.
Froch would be totally up for battle with Golovkin unlike he was for Groves. Would be a tremendous scrap.....
It would be a good fight, BUT Groves did cause Froch problems with his punch power. Froch certainly has a granite chin but I seriously doubt he would last 12 rounds against Golovkin, as Golovkin is accurate (and relentless) and Froch is quite easy to hit.Froch would be totally up for battle with Golovkin unlike he was for Groves. Would be a tremendous scrap.....
It would be a case of two boxers trying to take the centre of the ring, and something would have to give. Golovkin wins that ultimately, but it would be a good tussle whilst it lasted.
Amirhussain said:
Yeah that must be pretty disheartening. Smith so close to winning or should have won the first fight. Hope he does recover and come back stronger.
Abraham v Felix Sturm?
it's already in the planning stage fella. that's why i knew abraham would bring his A game last saturday......there is no way he was going to risk the payday of that unification. berlin? abraham/sturm? unifification?.....absolutely fAbraham v Felix Sturm?
king massive fight!shaunsmith said:
STW2010 said:
shaunsmith said:
It's going take someone with a granite chin who can dish it out plus ain't scared of anyone, that's Carl Froch, I would too put Kessler in that category.
Froch would be totally up for battle with Golovkin unlike he was for Groves. Would be a tremendous scrap.....
It would be a good fight, BUT Groves did cause Froch problems with his punch power. Froch certainly has a granite chin but I seriously doubt he would last 12 rounds against Golovkin, as Golovkin is accurate (and relentless) and Froch is quite easy to hit.Froch would be totally up for battle with Golovkin unlike he was for Groves. Would be a tremendous scrap.....
It would be a case of two boxers trying to take the centre of the ring, and something would have to give. Golovkin wins that ultimately, but it would be a good tussle whilst it lasted.
my worry in this match up would be how much punishment froch should endure at this point in his career. he'd absorb it, we all know that ......but i would worry that he was too stubborn and would take too much punishment without being able to put a dent in ggg.
it's not bluster about this guy's power. google some of the sparring stories about what he's done, and to who....in 12 oz gloves. he's routinely banging out cruisers and heavyweights in sparring.....f
k me, this guy seems to be the second coming of harry greb!!!tuscaneer said:
it's not bluster about this guy's power. google some of the sparring stories about what he's done, and to who....in 12 oz gloves. he's routinely banging out cruisers and heavyweights in sparring.....fk me, this guy seems to be the second coming of harry greb!!!
One story is that Groves floored GGG!k me, this guy seems to be the second coming of harry greb!!!tuscaneer said:
Amirhussain said:
Yeah that must be pretty disheartening. Smith so close to winning or should have won the first fight. Hope he does recover and come back stronger.
Abraham v Felix Sturm?
it's already in the planning stage fella. that's why i knew abraham would bring his A game last saturday......there is no way he was going to risk the payday of that unification. berlin? abraham/sturm? unifification?.....absolutely fAbraham v Felix Sturm?
king massive fight!GGG's power is immense. Mentally it must be hard for his opponents, as well as physically. Next pound for pound king no doubt.
STW2010 said:
One story is that Groves floored GGG!
...even groves admitted that was bks after the event!!!......he had the good grace to admit it was the other way round....one i find pertininet is that ggg iced kovalev up in big bear. kovalev hasn't denied it but it makes you wonder......a granite chinned guy FROM TWO DIVISIONS UP can get flattened by a middleweight in 12oz gloves and headgear......terrifying
ofcorsa said:
^^ Agree
GGG always seemed to have an answer. Never seemed off his gameplan and seemed like there was another gear. Froch is a warrior but I'd hesitant to take a fight like this at this point in Froch's career, That said, would be a corker to watch.
be great for us.........bit sGGG always seemed to have an answer. Never seemed off his gameplan and seemed like there was another gear. Froch is a warrior but I'd hesitant to take a fight like this at this point in Froch's career, That said, would be a corker to watch.
t for carl's family!tuscaneer said:
STW2010 said:
One story is that Groves floored GGG!
...even groves admitted that was bks after the event!!!......he had the good grace to admit it was the other way round....one i find pertininet is that ggg iced kovalev up in big bear. kovalev hasn't denied it but it makes you wonder......a granite chinned guy FROM TWO DIVISIONS UP can get flattened by a middleweight in 12oz gloves and headgear......terrifying
tuscaneer said:
STW2010 said:
One story is that Groves floored GGG!
...even groves admitted that was bks after the event!!!......he had the good grace to admit it was the other way round....one i find pertininet is that ggg iced kovalev up in big bear. kovalev hasn't denied it but it makes you wonder......a granite chinned guy FROM TWO DIVISIONS UP can get flattened by a middleweight in 12oz gloves and headgear......terrifying
The Kovalev story does tell you a lot about how hard GGG hits.
As someone mentioned, the knowledge of his punch power must hit you mentally before you get in the ring. Then the first time you get hit it must be like 'f
k, that's harder than I even imagined!'. he's starting to get that aura around him now that tyson and dempsey had around them. when you watch those early tyson fights the other guy was beat walking to the ring. dempsey had the same effect and when the odd really durable guy like firpo stood up to him and STILL got starched the rest of the division were even more scared.
STW2010 said:
I didn't think too much of that rumour to be honest.
The Kovalev story does tell you a lot about how hard GGG hits.
As someone mentioned, the knowledge of his punch power must hit you mentally before you get in the ring. Then the first time you get hit it must be like 'fk, that's harder than I even imagined!'.
There are shadows of the George Foreman, Ali era mythology starting to come to mind, if we could just find a guy "clever" enough to get punched in the head continuously in jungle temperatures for 6 rounds...The Kovalev story does tell you a lot about how hard GGG hits.
As someone mentioned, the knowledge of his punch power must hit you mentally before you get in the ring. Then the first time you get hit it must be like 'f
k, that's harder than I even imagined!'. Fwiw I think someone in the Nigel Benn mode with a very high tempo and good chin would get the better of GGG, Froch is a punch picker who works relatively slow, GG's movement is so good I'm not sure he get tagged.
tuscaneer said:
shaunsmith said:
STW2010 said:
shaunsmith said:
It's going take someone with a granite chin who can dish it out plus ain't scared of anyone, that's Carl Froch, I would too put Kessler in that category.
Froch would be totally up for battle with Golovkin unlike he was for Groves. Would be a tremendous scrap.....
It would be a good fight, BUT Groves did cause Froch problems with his punch power. Froch certainly has a granite chin but I seriously doubt he would last 12 rounds against Golovkin, as Golovkin is accurate (and relentless) and Froch is quite easy to hit.Froch would be totally up for battle with Golovkin unlike he was for Groves. Would be a tremendous scrap.....
It would be a case of two boxers trying to take the centre of the ring, and something would have to give. Golovkin wins that ultimately, but it would be a good tussle whilst it lasted.
my worry in this match up would be how much punishment froch should endure at this point in his career. he'd absorb it, we all know that ......but i would worry that he was too stubborn and would take too much punishment without being able to put a dent in ggg.
it's not bluster about this guy's power. google some of the sparring stories about what he's done, and to who....in 12 oz gloves. he's routinely banging out cruisers and heavyweights in sparring.....f
k me, this guy seems to be the second coming of harry greb!!!Another Wembley full house beckoning if they were both to lock horns, a fitting finale to Froch's career win or lose. Yeah, Golovkin is incredible with an aura of invincibility as Tyson. There is always someone....
i think it's a rare thing to get such an offensive fighter who is never off balance. sure, when you're throwing as much as golovkin you ARE going to get hit a few times just by virtue of the fact that your hands spend so long away from guard and most of the fight buried in some poor fkers rib cage or bouncing off his head.....
but when he gets hit he's never really out of shape catching a shot that could topple an unbalanced guy. it really helps that his chin is from pure granite....
apparently he's never been down amateur or pro, contest or spar. that's some record right there and let's face it, if someone had managed to do it they'd be singing from the rooftops about it.
another terror story i remember was from hype igoe who was in max baer's dressing room prior to his fight with joe louis in '35. hype was asking max how he was feeling before the bout while he was getting dressed. a pale looking max apprently seemed distant, nodded and proceeded to put one sock on his left foot then the other sock on the same foot. he must have been absolutely bricking it!
kers rib cage or bouncing off his head.....but when he gets hit he's never really out of shape catching a shot that could topple an unbalanced guy. it really helps that his chin is from pure granite....
apparently he's never been down amateur or pro, contest or spar. that's some record right there and let's face it, if someone had managed to do it they'd be singing from the rooftops about it.
another terror story i remember was from hype igoe who was in max baer's dressing room prior to his fight with joe louis in '35. hype was asking max how he was feeling before the bout while he was getting dressed. a pale looking max apprently seemed distant, nodded and proceeded to put one sock on his left foot then the other sock on the same foot. he must have been absolutely bricking it!
shaunsmith said:
ll really good points by you both & agree, but Froch is the only one I believe would go all out at him with no fear whatsoever with the chin & the artillery, he cracks Golovkin with a similar punch that Groves took in the 2nd fight who knows. One thing for certain Froch would be up for this fight far more than he would be against most including De Gale etc especially now at the end of his career I can see him fighting Golovkin if Vegas isn't an option fighting Chavez or whoever.
Another Wembley full house beckoning if they were both to lock horns, a fitting finale to Froch's career win or lose. Yeah, Golovkin is incredible with an aura of invincibility as Tyson. There is always someone....
.....apart from marciano i'd pretty much have to agree fella!!Another Wembley full house beckoning if they were both to lock horns, a fitting finale to Froch's career win or lose. Yeah, Golovkin is incredible with an aura of invincibility as Tyson. There is always someone....
tuscaneer said:
hmm, the thing is saturday was the first time golovkin has been past 10 rounds and he is apparently fine in the gas tank department as he threw so many power punches from the opening bell if he was going to fade late he would have done.
my worry in this match up would be how much punishment froch should endure at this point in his career. he'd absorb it, we all know that ......but i would worry that he was too stubborn and would take too much punishment without being able to put a dent in ggg.
it's not bluster about this guy's power. google some of the sparring stories about what he's done, and to who....in 12 oz gloves. he's routinely banging out cruisers and heavyweights in sparring.....fk me, this guy seems to be the second coming of harry greb!!!
I'd agree with all of that. Froch is a warrior but he doesn't need to take punishment like that win/lose/draw at this stage in his career.my worry in this match up would be how much punishment froch should endure at this point in his career. he'd absorb it, we all know that ......but i would worry that he was too stubborn and would take too much punishment without being able to put a dent in ggg.
it's not bluster about this guy's power. google some of the sparring stories about what he's done, and to who....in 12 oz gloves. he's routinely banging out cruisers and heavyweights in sparring.....f
k me, this guy seems to be the second coming of harry greb!!!If Ward was an active fighter I would favour him to beat GGG but as we've seen nothing of him for the past few years there's no way on earth I could confidently pick him. Golovkin is a murderous puncher and really knows how to cut the ring off.
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