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The only way I see Pacquiao taking this fight is by going on a Hagler style mission as he did against Hearns. Throw everything you got at him and fight like it's a 6 round fight. He knew he could never outbox Hearns for the full 12 rounds much the same way Pacquiao would never be able to outbox Mayweather.
It's still a very interesting match up for me. I've always been a firm believer that Mayweather's style is all wrong for Pacquiao, regardless of when they fault. But his legs definitely aren't as reliable as they once were and he just doesn't move as much (watch him fight Corrales/Marquez/Baldomir) wereas Pacquiao still has phenomenally quick feet allowing him to dart in and out throwing those combos.
If Pacquiao wins, it'll be by way of a 3/4 round blow out. If Mayweather wins, it'll be the same way he always does. He'll take the first 4 rounds easy and then he'll pick Pacquiao apart and win a clear UD.
But none of this is a forgone conclusion which is why it's so exciting. Maybe Pacquiao has been Mayweather's for all these yearts afterall...?
It's still a very interesting match up for me. I've always been a firm believer that Mayweather's style is all wrong for Pacquiao, regardless of when they fault. But his legs definitely aren't as reliable as they once were and he just doesn't move as much (watch him fight Corrales/Marquez/Baldomir) wereas Pacquiao still has phenomenally quick feet allowing him to dart in and out throwing those combos.
If Pacquiao wins, it'll be by way of a 3/4 round blow out. If Mayweather wins, it'll be the same way he always does. He'll take the first 4 rounds easy and then he'll pick Pacquiao apart and win a clear UD.
But none of this is a forgone conclusion which is why it's so exciting. Maybe Pacquiao has been Mayweather's for all these yearts afterall...?
As the Paqman- Mayweather fight gets closer and closer, it is getting more exciting. 6-8 years ago I have no doubt in believing that Manny would have taken Mayweather apart. As much as I want Manny to win, I can't see it now. I'm still going to be rooting for him fight night. Heart says Manny, brain says Mayweather, but of course anything can happen..... so many different possible scenarios, theories etc.
Manny to give it everything his got straight away? It will be interesting to see who this fight will 'effect' the most whoever loses. Manny already has losses on his record, and you could argue that his absolute best years are past him. If Mayweather loses, people will never forget.
Amir Khan v Miguel Cotto could be a good fight, apparently he could have a fight with Adrian Broner. Khan would take Broner apart. Footwork and hand speed on another level. Khan is maturing into a better boxer. Broner hasn't lived up to his hype.
Another possible opponent for Khan is Keith Thurman, and of course Kell Brook. UK fight at Wembley seems to be the popular option. I don't really rate Brook TBH. IMO he knows if he fights Khan, he won't get a bigger payday, Eddie Hearn knows it too.
I really want to see Khan v Garcia rematch.
Manny to give it everything his got straight away? It will be interesting to see who this fight will 'effect' the most whoever loses. Manny already has losses on his record, and you could argue that his absolute best years are past him. If Mayweather loses, people will never forget.
Amir Khan v Miguel Cotto could be a good fight, apparently he could have a fight with Adrian Broner. Khan would take Broner apart. Footwork and hand speed on another level. Khan is maturing into a better boxer. Broner hasn't lived up to his hype.
Another possible opponent for Khan is Keith Thurman, and of course Kell Brook. UK fight at Wembley seems to be the popular option. I don't really rate Brook TBH. IMO he knows if he fights Khan, he won't get a bigger payday, Eddie Hearn knows it too.
I really want to see Khan v Garcia rematch.
Amirhussain said:
As the Paqman- Mayweather fight gets closer and closer, it is getting more exciting. 6-8 years ago I have no doubt in believing that Manny would have taken Mayweather apart. As much as I want Manny to win, I can't see it now. I'm still going to be rooting for him fight night. Heart says Manny, brain says Mayweather, but of course anything can happen..... so many different possible scenarios, theories etc.
For me its come to late, Manny is a shadow of the fighter he once was. I predict a dull fight with Mayweather comfortably winning on points.Khan would obliterate Broner. Cotto would obliterate Khan.
8 years ago Mayweather and Pacquiao were in different divisions. But anyway, Pacquiao would never have blown him out the water. There's a reason he has been betting favourite ever since there was talk of this fight happening in 2009/2010. Back then, Mayweather had faster legs and was moving constantly making him even more elusive. He always exploits gaps in his opponents defense and Pacquiao has always been a sucker for a right hand which is Mayweather's bread and butter punch.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan boy in any way shape or form. I just love the sport and want to see the best matchups possible.
8 years ago Mayweather and Pacquiao were in different divisions. But anyway, Pacquiao would never have blown him out the water. There's a reason he has been betting favourite ever since there was talk of this fight happening in 2009/2010. Back then, Mayweather had faster legs and was moving constantly making him even more elusive. He always exploits gaps in his opponents defense and Pacquiao has always been a sucker for a right hand which is Mayweather's bread and butter punch.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan boy in any way shape or form. I just love the sport and want to see the best matchups possible.
Robatr0n said:
Khan would obliterate Broner. Cotto would obliterate Khan.
8 years ago Mayweather and Pacquiao were in different divisions. But anyway, Pacquiao would never have blown him out the water. There's a reason he has been betting favourite ever since there was talk of this fight happening in 2009/2010. Back then, Mayweather had faster legs and was moving constantly making him even more elusive. He always exploits gaps in his opponents defense and Pacquiao has always been a sucker for a right hand which is Mayweather's bread and butter punch.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan boy in any way shape or form. I just love the sport and want to see the best matchups possible.
devil's advocate for a minute...........mayweather has looked less than stellar when fighting southpaws....his shoulder roll sort of goes the wrong way making it much less effective against lefties.8 years ago Mayweather and Pacquiao were in different divisions. But anyway, Pacquiao would never have blown him out the water. There's a reason he has been betting favourite ever since there was talk of this fight happening in 2009/2010. Back then, Mayweather had faster legs and was moving constantly making him even more elusive. He always exploits gaps in his opponents defense and Pacquiao has always been a sucker for a right hand which is Mayweather's bread and butter punch.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan boy in any way shape or form. I just love the sport and want to see the best matchups possible.
also, manny will get hit with that right for sure(as i was on about before he loves going left)...any offensively minded fighter will get tagged more due to their hands spending more time away from guard.....but i don't think floyd carries enough of a dig to discourage manny.
i could be talking a load of b
ks!! i hope to god that manny wins but deep down i think he isn't the fighter that he was when carving up barrera/morales and then oscar...i am seeing a ud for mayweather unless manny can make floyd fight his type of fight, which is doable......just not as doable as it was a few years agoYiliterate said:
tuscaneer said:
i truly believe that if they had met in the early to mid 2000's manny would have gone through floyd. floyd doesn't like disruption to his rhythm and manny's unpredictable reactions couple with his ball-of-fury approach would have done it for him.
can he still do it?? i really hope so but floyd is a master counterpuncher. if manny can throw a hundred punches a round then volume will win him rounds.enough rounds?? we'll see.
Pretty much matches my thoughts. At this point in time I think volume is key for Manny, even if only 10% land clean. At his peak, fighting Manny was like fighting a swarm of wasps...for 12 rounds you were just getting stung left, right and centre. Whether Manny has the stamina to do it now is the big question...can he still do it?? i really hope so but floyd is a master counterpuncher. if manny can throw a hundred punches a round then volume will win him rounds.enough rounds?? we'll see.
By the way, like the new belt! If you're anything like my Mrs though, you'll now need to go out and buy a whole new outfit for it to go with...!
i had to break the news to her indoors last night about the belt and was proper in the
book....she knows only too well now that it'll end up mounted with plaques and photos and take up another half a wall1...i get the vintage glove back from the framers tonight..6 photos to go with the signatures and name plaques with records on...can't wait.. i'll stick a photo up when i get a minute
Fittster said:
Robatr0n said:
Khan would obliterate Broner. Cotto would obliterate Khan.
And Cotto v GGG would be my current dream fight.Entertaining fight between Kovalev and Pascal last night. Fair play to Pascal; although Kovalev proved himself the better man in there, Pascal had a proper go and achieved a measure of success too, particularly with the right (augmented, in fairness, with a liberal sprinkling of low blows!).
I think Kovalev would still be favourite going in to a fight with Adonis Stevenson, but if he can get through to Kovalev in the way Pascal did, it would be far from a foregone conclusion...
I think Kovalev would still be favourite going in to a fight with Adonis Stevenson, but if he can get through to Kovalev in the way Pascal did, it would be far from a foregone conclusion...
Yiliterate said:
Entertaining fight between Kovalev and Pascal last night. Fair play to Pascal; although Kovalev proved himself the better man in there, Pascal had a proper go and achieved a measure of success too, particularly with the right (augmented, in fairness, with a liberal sprinkling of low blows!).
I think Kovalev would still be favourite going in to a fight with Adonis Stevenson, but if he can get through to Kovalev in the way Pascal did, it would be far from a foregone conclusion...
I missed that fight, completely forgot about it. BBC Sports saying it was a pretty good fight, and Pascal had some good success even though he lost.I think Kovalev would still be favourite going in to a fight with Adonis Stevenson, but if he can get through to Kovalev in the way Pascal did, it would be far from a foregone conclusion...
Yiliterate said:
Entertaining fight between Kovalev and Pascal last night. Fair play to Pascal; although Kovalev proved himself the better man in there, Pascal had a proper go and achieved a measure of success too, particularly with the right (augmented, in fairness, with a liberal sprinkling of low blows!).
I think Kovalev would still be favourite going in to a fight with Adonis Stevenson, but if he can get through to Kovalev in the way Pascal did, it would be far from a foregone conclusion...
fair points pal........but pascal was very cute in there.....i can't see adonis getting anywhere as close.I think Kovalev would still be favourite going in to a fight with Adonis Stevenson, but if he can get through to Kovalev in the way Pascal did, it would be far from a foregone conclusion...
glazkov was a let down!!
FredClogs said:
lord trumpton said:
Is it correct that back in 2010 when manny was at peak he was taking steroids and since then he has become 'born again' righted his wrong wild ways, stopped taki g the gear and therefore not as powerful?
It's correct that that's what some people think, and also a reason Mayweather has hinted at in the past for not taking on Manny. Someone knows but I don't think they're going to tell.Strangely last year Alex Ariza signed a 2 year contract to work with Mayweather... go figure!
tuscaneer said:
but i don't think floyd carries enough of a dig to discourage manny.
I'm not sure that's true, Mayweathers record suggests he's not the heaviest puncher, I remember Hatton remarking post fight that Floyd hit a lot harder than he expected. I re-watched Mayweather vs Gatti over the weekend and noticed how uncomfortable and discouraged Gatti looked getting hit.scorp said:
I'm not sure that's true, Mayweathers record suggests he's not the heaviest puncher, I remember Hatton remarking post fight that Floyd hit a lot harder than he expected. I re-watched Mayweather vs Gatti over the weekend and noticed how uncomfortable and discouraged Gatti looked getting hit.
....but the gatti that fought mayweather was an absolute wreck in there for the $$$$$ ......those 3 fights with ward a few years earlier absolutely took the last vestiges of the iron chinned warrior of old.tuscaneer said:
....but the gatti that fought mayweather was an absolute wreck in there for the $$$$$ ......those 3 fights with ward a few years earlier absolutely took the last vestiges of the iron chinned warrior of old.
Agreed. I do think Mayweather's punching power is a little bit underrated, we all know he doesn't have single punch KO power but he does hit hard and accurate enough to discourage fighters from walking through his punches.yeah, not gonna fall out with you fella!!......but 26 ko's on 47 fights.....!! his last legit stoppage was hatton (i'm not counting that victor ortiz fight for obvious reasons)...before that i'm struggling..was it as far back as gatti?? i think it was....
mind you, where's the pacman of old?? he hasn't stopped anyone since de la hoya i think??
mind you, where's the pacman of old?? he hasn't stopped anyone since de la hoya i think??
tuscaneer said:
yeah, not gonna fall out with you fella!!......but 26 ko's on 47 fights.....!! his last legit stoppage was hatton (i'm not counting that victor ortiz fight for obvious reasons)...before that i'm struggling..was it as far back as gatti?? i think it was....
mind you, where's the pacman of old?? he hasn't stopped anyone since de la hoya i think??
Miguel Cotto, TKO.mind you, where's the pacman of old?? he hasn't stopped anyone since de la hoya i think??
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