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Robatr0n said:
Everyone man and their dog was saying that Canelo would take Mayweather apart and only after he dominated him did people label him as one dimensional or slow. He's a great fighter but sadly not as good as Mayweather. Should Canelo ever step in the ring with GGG, he's getting beaten badly.
Think you're using a bit of artistic licence with that one! Vegas odds had Floyd something like 1/3 for that fight; granted, he's usually an even heavier favourite when he fights, but if every man and his dog were saying Canelo would win, it doesn't look like they were putting their money where their mouths were...!Yiliterate said:
Robatr0n said:
Everyone man and their dog was saying that Canelo would take Mayweather apart and only after he dominated him did people label him as one dimensional or slow. He's a great fighter but sadly not as good as Mayweather. Should Canelo ever step in the ring with GGG, he's getting beaten badly.
Think you're using a bit of artistic licence with that one! Vegas odds had Floyd something like 1/3 for that fight; granted, he's usually an even heavier favourite when he fights, but if every man and his dog were saying Canelo would win, it doesn't look like they were putting their money where their mouths were...!Robatr0n said:
philv said:
Mayweather may be a great fighter, but still not sure how great.
He fought de la hoya when de la hoya was 6 years older and at rhe end of his carear.
Split decision but no rematch because mayweather retired.
Retiring also avoided manny at his best.
Mayweather gave maidana a rematch recently when tne first (previous) fight wasn't even close. Conveniently sidestepping Khan who has reach and speed.
I suppose he could have fought maidana y 6 times n a row winning easily each ti e to get his 50-0. So have to be thankful for that.
Even Alvarez - one look at Alarez fighting and it was obvious mayweather would win easily as Alvarez was so slow.
I see re ent fights as showing picking and chosing very carefully.
Just to counter a few of them points. He fought de la hoya when de la hoya was 6 years older and at rhe end of his carear.
Split decision but no rematch because mayweather retired.
Retiring also avoided manny at his best.
Mayweather gave maidana a rematch recently when tne first (previous) fight wasn't even close. Conveniently sidestepping Khan who has reach and speed.
I suppose he could have fought maidana y 6 times n a row winning easily each ti e to get his 50-0. So have to be thankful for that.
Even Alvarez - one look at Alarez fighting and it was obvious mayweather would win easily as Alvarez was so slow.
I see re ent fights as showing picking and chosing very carefully.
Dela Hoya was the man at 154 and had been for some time. He wasn't getting beat up or dominated by people and mayweather made every concession to get the fight made (gloves, ring size, judges, venue, etc..). He also called Dela Hoya (and Mosely!) out for years when he was fighting at the lower weights but neither of them wanted the fight as it was too much risk for too little reward. What people seem to overlook is that Pacquiao dragged Dela Hoya down to a weight he hadn't fought at for donkey's years and he was so badly dehydrated that he had to take an IV drip before the fight.
He clearly won the fight against Dela Hoya. It was close in places but he dominated the last 6 rounds. Dela Hoya was just throwing combos that were being caught on the shoulders and forearms.
Yes Mayweather did retire. In his shoes I would rematched him and won another record payday. No excuses from me for not fighting him again.
Khan would be a walk in the park for Mayweather. He just isn't good enough. Sorry!
Everyone man and their dog was saying that Canelo would take Mayweather apart and only after he dominated him did people label him as one dimensional or slow. He's a great fighter but sadly not as good as Mayweather. Should Canelo ever step in the ring with GGG, he's getting beaten badly.
A weight ne never fights at?
Didn't he start at fly weight? And at which he has no punching piwer.
Maybe tney just shouldn't be fighting.
Mayweather comfortably beat maidana.
Then put it to a fans vote to fight madaina again or khan.
Tne fans online voted for khan.
So mayweather chose madaina again.
Why?
He dodged khan. How obvious has it got to be?
He said to tne fans - you chose. Then he chose tne other guy he had just beaten easily!
Khan is not tne best.
But styles make fights.
Khan has reach and speed.
Mayweather would rather fight Alvarez than khan for that reason.
Paqman dodged mayweather?
I don't thonk so.
All this talk of drugs.
And now nayweather has paqnans old conditioning (drugs man?) man in his cirner!
How incredible is that?
If he seriously believed paqman was on drugs, and it wasn't an excuse, tnen why employ his susoected drugs man?
His actions don't correspond with his allegations and reasons for not taking tne manny fight.
Mayweather has tne odd uncomfortable night against cotto or de la hoya.
But no rematch.
He gives a rematch to madaina. Hum.
Paqman has 4 battles against tne same guy! Doesn't look like paqman avoids poeople.
He continues to fight tne same guy who gives him the most problems. Very admirable.
Those actions speak volumes.
In their primes de la hoya shads mayweather.
Manny v de la hoya - who knows. Which weight?
Edited by philv on Thursday 30th April 13:23
philv said:
But should manny step up to de la hoyas weight?
A weight ne never fights at?
Didn't he start at fly weight? And at which he has no punching piwer.
Maybe tney just shouldn't be fighting.
Mayweather comfortably beat maidana.
Then put it to a fans vote to fight madaina again or khan.
Tne fans online voted for khan.
So mayweather chose madaina again.
Why?
He dodged khan. How obvious has it got to be?
He said to tne fans - you chose. Then he chose tne other guy he had just beaten easily!
Khan is not tne best.
But styles make fights.
Khan has reach and speed.
Mayweather would rather fight Alvarez than khan for that reason.
Paqman dodged mayweather?
I don't thonk so.
All this talk of drugs.
And now nayweather has paqnans old conditioning (drugs man?) man in his cirner!
How incredible is that?
If he seriously believed paqman was on drugs, and it wasn't an excuse, tnen why employ his susoected drugs man?
His actions don't correspond with his allegations and reasons for not taking tne manny fight.
Mayweather has tne odd uncomfortable night against cotto or de la hoya.
But no rematch.
He gives a rematch to madaina. Hum.
Paqman has 4 battles against tne same guy! Doesn't look like paqman avoids poeople.
He continues to fight tne same guy who gives him the most problems. Very admirable.
Those actions speak volumes.
2/10 - it doesn't rhyme!A weight ne never fights at?
Didn't he start at fly weight? And at which he has no punching piwer.
Maybe tney just shouldn't be fighting.
Mayweather comfortably beat maidana.
Then put it to a fans vote to fight madaina again or khan.
Tne fans online voted for khan.
So mayweather chose madaina again.
Why?
He dodged khan. How obvious has it got to be?
He said to tne fans - you chose. Then he chose tne other guy he had just beaten easily!
Khan is not tne best.
But styles make fights.
Khan has reach and speed.
Mayweather would rather fight Alvarez than khan for that reason.
Paqman dodged mayweather?
I don't thonk so.
All this talk of drugs.
And now nayweather has paqnans old conditioning (drugs man?) man in his cirner!
How incredible is that?
If he seriously believed paqman was on drugs, and it wasn't an excuse, tnen why employ his susoected drugs man?
His actions don't correspond with his allegations and reasons for not taking tne manny fight.
Mayweather has tne odd uncomfortable night against cotto or de la hoya.
But no rematch.
He gives a rematch to madaina. Hum.
Paqman has 4 battles against tne same guy! Doesn't look like paqman avoids poeople.
He continues to fight tne same guy who gives him the most problems. Very admirable.
Those actions speak volumes.
Yiliterate said:
philv said:
But should manny step up to de la hoyas weight?
A weight ne never fights at?
Didn't he start at fly weight? And at which he has no punching piwer.
Maybe tney just shouldn't be fighting.
Mayweather comfortably beat maidana.
Then put it to a fans vote to fight madaina again or khan.
Tne fans online voted for khan.
So mayweather chose madaina again.
Why?
He dodged khan. How obvious has it got to be?
He said to tne fans - you chose. Then he chose tne other guy he had just beaten easily!
Khan is not tne best.
But styles make fights.
Khan has reach and speed.
Mayweather would rather fight Alvarez than khan for that reason.
Paqman dodged mayweather?
I don't thonk so.
All this talk of drugs.
And now nayweather has paqnans old conditioning (drugs man?) man in his cirner!
How incredible is that?
If he seriously believed paqman was on drugs, and it wasn't an excuse, tnen why employ his susoected drugs man?
His actions don't correspond with his allegations and reasons for not taking tne manny fight.
Mayweather has tne odd uncomfortable night against cotto or de la hoya.
But no rematch.
He gives a rematch to madaina. Hum.
Paqman has 4 battles against tne same guy! Doesn't look like paqman avoids poeople.
He continues to fight tne same guy who gives him the most problems. Very admirable.
Those actions speak volumes.
2/10 - it doesn't rhyme! A weight ne never fights at?
Didn't he start at fly weight? And at which he has no punching piwer.
Maybe tney just shouldn't be fighting.
Mayweather comfortably beat maidana.
Then put it to a fans vote to fight madaina again or khan.
Tne fans online voted for khan.
So mayweather chose madaina again.
Why?
He dodged khan. How obvious has it got to be?
He said to tne fans - you chose. Then he chose tne other guy he had just beaten easily!
Khan is not tne best.
But styles make fights.
Khan has reach and speed.
Mayweather would rather fight Alvarez than khan for that reason.
Paqman dodged mayweather?
I don't thonk so.
All this talk of drugs.
And now nayweather has paqnans old conditioning (drugs man?) man in his cirner!
How incredible is that?
If he seriously believed paqman was on drugs, and it wasn't an excuse, tnen why employ his susoected drugs man?
His actions don't correspond with his allegations and reasons for not taking tne manny fight.
Mayweather has tne odd uncomfortable night against cotto or de la hoya.
But no rematch.
He gives a rematch to madaina. Hum.
Paqman has 4 battles against tne same guy! Doesn't look like paqman avoids poeople.
He continues to fight tne same guy who gives him the most problems. Very admirable.
Those actions speak volumes.
And possibly total b
ks!philv said:
Yiliterate said:
philv said:
But should manny step up to de la hoyas weight?
A weight ne never fights at?
Didn't he start at fly weight? And at which he has no punching piwer.
Maybe tney just shouldn't be fighting.
Mayweather comfortably beat maidana.
Then put it to a fans vote to fight madaina again or khan.
Tne fans online voted for khan.
So mayweather chose madaina again.
Why?
He dodged khan. How obvious has it got to be?
He said to tne fans - you chose. Then he chose tne other guy he had just beaten easily!
Khan is not tne best.
But styles make fights.
Khan has reach and speed.
Mayweather would rather fight Alvarez than khan for that reason.
Paqman dodged mayweather?
I don't thonk so.
All this talk of drugs.
And now nayweather has paqnans old conditioning (drugs man?) man in his cirner!
How incredible is that?
If he seriously believed paqman was on drugs, and it wasn't an excuse, tnen why employ his susoected drugs man?
His actions don't correspond with his allegations and reasons for not taking tne manny fight.
Mayweather has tne odd uncomfortable night against cotto or de la hoya.
But no rematch.
He gives a rematch to madaina. Hum.
Paqman has 4 battles against tne same guy! Doesn't look like paqman avoids poeople.
He continues to fight tne same guy who gives him the most problems. Very admirable.
Those actions speak volumes.
2/10 - it doesn't rhyme! A weight ne never fights at?
Didn't he start at fly weight? And at which he has no punching piwer.
Maybe tney just shouldn't be fighting.
Mayweather comfortably beat maidana.
Then put it to a fans vote to fight madaina again or khan.
Tne fans online voted for khan.
So mayweather chose madaina again.
Why?
He dodged khan. How obvious has it got to be?
He said to tne fans - you chose. Then he chose tne other guy he had just beaten easily!
Khan is not tne best.
But styles make fights.
Khan has reach and speed.
Mayweather would rather fight Alvarez than khan for that reason.
Paqman dodged mayweather?
I don't thonk so.
All this talk of drugs.
And now nayweather has paqnans old conditioning (drugs man?) man in his cirner!
How incredible is that?
If he seriously believed paqman was on drugs, and it wasn't an excuse, tnen why employ his susoected drugs man?
His actions don't correspond with his allegations and reasons for not taking tne manny fight.
Mayweather has tne odd uncomfortable night against cotto or de la hoya.
But no rematch.
He gives a rematch to madaina. Hum.
Paqman has 4 battles against tne same guy! Doesn't look like paqman avoids poeople.
He continues to fight tne same guy who gives him the most problems. Very admirable.
Those actions speak volumes.
And possibly total b
ks!I'm not going to be able to convince you otherwise so there's no point putting too much time into this reply. Both guys are my favourite current boxers, in all truth I don't care who wins so long as it isn't controversial
The first maidana fight was close. It was closer than the Dela Hoya and much closer than the Cotto fight (I gave Cotto 2/3 rounds). There were several polls doing the rounds and overall Maidana was ahead for who he should face next. Either way, using polls to decide is a pretty st way to handle your affairs or choose an opponent.
As for why the fight didn't happen, nobody knows. More goes on behind the scenes than you or I will ever understand. To put the blame solely on one guy isn't right. They've been negotiating this fight on and off for 5 years and I suspect that Arum has as much a part to blame for this fight not happening than Mayweather.
Incase you didn't realise, Mayweather won the golden gloves championship at 106lbs, the same weight Pacquiao turned pro at. They've both risen through the weights (Pacquiao in much more spectacular fashion) and have settled at welterweight. Just because they're small doesn't mean that their opponent has to drop in weight to even the odds. I bet Dela Hoya still kicks himself that he conceded to coming in at such a low weight. But that was all his own doing.
Roll on the weekend. We've been denied this fight for far too long and I'm ecstatic that it's finally happening.
The first maidana fight was close. It was closer than the Dela Hoya and much closer than the Cotto fight (I gave Cotto 2/3 rounds). There were several polls doing the rounds and overall Maidana was ahead for who he should face next. Either way, using polls to decide is a pretty s
t way to handle your affairs or choose an opponent. As for why the fight didn't happen, nobody knows. More goes on behind the scenes than you or I will ever understand. To put the blame solely on one guy isn't right. They've been negotiating this fight on and off for 5 years and I suspect that Arum has as much a part to blame for this fight not happening than Mayweather.
Incase you didn't realise, Mayweather won the golden gloves championship at 106lbs, the same weight Pacquiao turned pro at. They've both risen through the weights (Pacquiao in much more spectacular fashion) and have settled at welterweight. Just because they're small doesn't mean that their opponent has to drop in weight to even the odds. I bet Dela Hoya still kicks himself that he conceded to coming in at such a low weight. But that was all his own doing.
Roll on the weekend. We've been denied this fight for far too long and I'm ecstatic that it's finally happening.
philv said:
Yiliterate said:
philv said:
But should manny step up to de la hoyas weight?
A weight ne never fights at?
Didn't he start at fly weight? And at which he has no punching piwer.
Maybe tney just shouldn't be fighting.
Mayweather comfortably beat maidana.
Then put it to a fans vote to fight madaina again or khan.
Tne fans online voted for khan.
So mayweather chose madaina again.
Why?
He dodged khan. How obvious has it got to be?
He said to tne fans - you chose. Then he chose tne other guy he had just beaten easily!
Khan is not tne best.
But styles make fights.
Khan has reach and speed.
Mayweather would rather fight Alvarez than khan for that reason.
Paqman dodged mayweather?
I don't thonk so.
All this talk of drugs.
And now nayweather has paqnans old conditioning (drugs man?) man in his cirner!
How incredible is that?
If he seriously believed paqman was on drugs, and it wasn't an excuse, tnen why employ his susoected drugs man?
His actions don't correspond with his allegations and reasons for not taking tne manny fight.
Mayweather has tne odd uncomfortable night against cotto or de la hoya.
But no rematch.
He gives a rematch to madaina. Hum.
Paqman has 4 battles against tne same guy! Doesn't look like paqman avoids poeople.
He continues to fight tne same guy who gives him the most problems. Very admirable.
Those actions speak volumes.
2/10 - it doesn't rhyme! A weight ne never fights at?
Didn't he start at fly weight? And at which he has no punching piwer.
Maybe tney just shouldn't be fighting.
Mayweather comfortably beat maidana.
Then put it to a fans vote to fight madaina again or khan.
Tne fans online voted for khan.
So mayweather chose madaina again.
Why?
He dodged khan. How obvious has it got to be?
He said to tne fans - you chose. Then he chose tne other guy he had just beaten easily!
Khan is not tne best.
But styles make fights.
Khan has reach and speed.
Mayweather would rather fight Alvarez than khan for that reason.
Paqman dodged mayweather?
I don't thonk so.
All this talk of drugs.
And now nayweather has paqnans old conditioning (drugs man?) man in his cirner!
How incredible is that?
If he seriously believed paqman was on drugs, and it wasn't an excuse, tnen why employ his susoected drugs man?
His actions don't correspond with his allegations and reasons for not taking tne manny fight.
Mayweather has tne odd uncomfortable night against cotto or de la hoya.
But no rematch.
He gives a rematch to madaina. Hum.
Paqman has 4 battles against tne same guy! Doesn't look like paqman avoids poeople.
He continues to fight tne same guy who gives him the most problems. Very admirable.
Those actions speak volumes.
And possibly total b
ks!
A couple of observations without quoting everything that's gone before.
The young Tyson was a force of nature who blew away everyone put in front of him. He avoided no-one and couldn't really do any more than he did. I was fortunate enough to be around at the time of his fights and he was phenomenal for four or five years. Unfortunately for Tyson, he lost the aura and the dedication. No-one remains unbeaten after that and it's a lesson as old as history itself. Unfortunately, there will always be boxers who start to believe in their own invincibility and Tyson made the same mistake as many others. As for what might or might not have happened in sparring - completely irrelevant.
Khan is a good fighter but a very long way from a great. I'll put my house on Mayweather completely outboxing him if they ever fight but I don't think he's even worthy of the shot. Khan has bad losses on his record and I'd like to see him reverse the decision with Garcia before getting a shot at Floyd. Somehow his press has established him as the next big thing and up there with the elite but I don't think his record justifies that claimed status at all. I'm far from a hater, just a dispassionate observer.
The young Tyson was a force of nature who blew away everyone put in front of him. He avoided no-one and couldn't really do any more than he did. I was fortunate enough to be around at the time of his fights and he was phenomenal for four or five years. Unfortunately for Tyson, he lost the aura and the dedication. No-one remains unbeaten after that and it's a lesson as old as history itself. Unfortunately, there will always be boxers who start to believe in their own invincibility and Tyson made the same mistake as many others. As for what might or might not have happened in sparring - completely irrelevant.
Khan is a good fighter but a very long way from a great. I'll put my house on Mayweather completely outboxing him if they ever fight but I don't think he's even worthy of the shot. Khan has bad losses on his record and I'd like to see him reverse the decision with Garcia before getting a shot at Floyd. Somehow his press has established him as the next big thing and up there with the elite but I don't think his record justifies that claimed status at all. I'm far from a hater, just a dispassionate observer.
How Khan can even be mentioned in the same sentence as may weather and paceman is beyond me
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cUW7gWi4vZ0
I seem to remember his PPv fights be dropped after this
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cUW7gWi4vZ0
I seem to remember his PPv fights be dropped after this
Handspeed is a must against mayweather.
And reach.
So khan might do better than most.
Either way, mayweather put it to a vote.
Then ignored the result.
Madaina lost. He ould never beat mayweather, so why go again?
Norton was nothing compared to Ali.
But he probably beat him twice.
It's all very well fighting guys sliwer or over the hill.
Why not fight someone as quick. Ie khan.
Just thought it was odd he didnt give khan tne chance.
Mayweather obviously thought he was a possible challenger or he wouldn't have put it to the vote.
And reach.
So khan might do better than most.
Either way, mayweather put it to a vote.
Then ignored the result.
Madaina lost. He ould never beat mayweather, so why go again?
Norton was nothing compared to Ali.
But he probably beat him twice.
It's all very well fighting guys sliwer or over the hill.
Why not fight someone as quick. Ie khan.
Just thought it was odd he didnt give khan tne chance.
Mayweather obviously thought he was a possible challenger or he wouldn't have put it to the vote.
Edited by philv on Thursday 30th April 19:05
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