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n_const said:
Why do people keep bringing up khans chin ? When was the last time he got knocked out ? I really don't see how he's overhyped either.
It gets brought up because he is more vulnerable to a big head punch than his peers. Simple as that. Last person to knock him out (stop him) was Danny Garcia. Unlike some fighters, who can shrug off getting tagged, Khan invariably goes Bambi. No-one is doubting his heart, just stating what watching him has shown us.9mm said:
n_const said:
Why do people keep bringing up khans chin ? When was the last time he got knocked out ? I really don't see how he's overhyped either.
It gets brought up because he is more vulnerable to a big head punch than his peers. Simple as that. Last person to knock him out (stop him) was Danny Garcia. Unlike some fighters, who can shrug off getting tagged, Khan invariably goes Bambi. No-one is doubting his heart, just stating what watching him has shown us.Fittster said:
9mm said:
n_const said:
Why do people keep bringing up khans chin ? When was the last time he got knocked out ? I really don't see how he's overhyped either.
It gets brought up because he is more vulnerable to a big head punch than his peers. Simple as that. Last person to knock him out (stop him) was Danny Garcia. Unlike some fighters, who can shrug off getting tagged, Khan invariably goes Bambi. No-one is doubting his heart, just stating what watching him has shown us.
9mm said:
Fittster said:
9mm said:
n_const said:
Why do people keep bringing up khans chin ? When was the last time he got knocked out ? I really don't see how he's overhyped either.
It gets brought up because he is more vulnerable to a big head punch than his peers. Simple as that. Last person to knock him out (stop him) was Danny Garcia. Unlike some fighters, who can shrug off getting tagged, Khan invariably goes Bambi. No-one is doubting his heart, just stating what watching him has shown us.A great weekend of boxing for me!
Selby looked great in there, just a shame the cuts finished the action early as I wanted to see how well he would/could have finished the fight. Gutted for Mitchell, the guy is a warrior but I think the eye injury meant he took too much punishment and gave in. Can't really blame him, that looked severe!
Joshua looked really good in there against a seasoned pro. Ok, it's not the same Johnson that fought Vitali Klitschko but he wasn't far removed from the version that went 12 rounds with Fury and Chisora. I think from here on out, they need to raise his level of competition gradually and try to stick some real tough and durable guys in there with him to put some rounds on his CV. He really does look impressive but none of his previous opponents (in the Pros atleast!) have managed to test him at all.
As for Khan, he did what he had to do! I thought that the version of Algerie he fought was better than the one that faced Pacquiao and he boxed a much smarter fight but Khan won a competitive but clear decision in my book. The only thing I can't look past was Algerie's ability to land the straight right on Khan so frequently. If he can do it, then Mayweather would have a field day with it. Still, lets see where his next fight takes him.
Brook looked good but let's be fair, Gavin didn't look as though he belonged in the ring with him at all. I'd like to see him up his game and competition too. For me, I'd love to see a fight between Khan and Brook.
Selby looked great in there, just a shame the cuts finished the action early as I wanted to see how well he would/could have finished the fight. Gutted for Mitchell, the guy is a warrior but I think the eye injury meant he took too much punishment and gave in. Can't really blame him, that looked severe!
Joshua looked really good in there against a seasoned pro. Ok, it's not the same Johnson that fought Vitali Klitschko but he wasn't far removed from the version that went 12 rounds with Fury and Chisora. I think from here on out, they need to raise his level of competition gradually and try to stick some real tough and durable guys in there with him to put some rounds on his CV. He really does look impressive but none of his previous opponents (in the Pros atleast!) have managed to test him at all.
As for Khan, he did what he had to do! I thought that the version of Algerie he fought was better than the one that faced Pacquiao and he boxed a much smarter fight but Khan won a competitive but clear decision in my book. The only thing I can't look past was Algerie's ability to land the straight right on Khan so frequently. If he can do it, then Mayweather would have a field day with it. Still, lets see where his next fight takes him.
Brook looked good but let's be fair, Gavin didn't look as though he belonged in the ring with him at all. I'd like to see him up his game and competition too. For me, I'd love to see a fight between Khan and Brook.
9mm said:
I'm not interested in a childish slanging match - so let's keep the discussion to fact based discussion please.
Really . . . So do you want to start first?Edited by 9mm on Sunday 31st May 22:11
All you are doing is coming out with opinions that are not credible in a discussion and showing clear hate for a british boxer who is very well established on the world stage.
Just because I think your posts are inaccurate and wrong, doesn't mean it is a slanging match. If you are not prepared to have people question your logic/thoughts on your posts, probably best not to comment.
Robatr0n said:
Brook looked good but let's be fair, Gavin didn't look as though he belonged in the ring with him at all. I'd like to see him up his game and competition too.
This is what I would like to see.Everyone is making too much of the Khan/Brook fight but Brook really needs to step up and prove his worth.
I think he has what it takes to be the best in division and really rule it once Floyd/Pacman have gone but continuing to fight against low par opponents is not the way to do it.
He needs to do what Khan has done and head over the pond and make a real name for himself but I get the feeling Hearn is holding him back by being too defensive. After the last 3 fights all we heard was 'we are going after the big boys' - still waiting on that.
9mm said:
Except I didn't say that, did I?
Senchenko, Ndou, Hatton, Jennings and Lomax (I suppose add Gavin although he has been going backwards for years) are the chief names on Brook's record. I have already stated that Khan has the bigger names on his record. He also has the banana skins.
I think I'll wait for the fight, Khan getting stopped and then none of us needing to hear any more about him.
I suppose Floyd could beat him up first though and then we'll get endless crap about he is Floyd's natural successor.
I'm not interested in a childish slanging match - so let's keep the discussion to fact based discussion please.
I enjoyed reading your posts 9mm, seem objective and accurate to meSenchenko, Ndou, Hatton, Jennings and Lomax (I suppose add Gavin although he has been going backwards for years) are the chief names on Brook's record. I have already stated that Khan has the bigger names on his record. He also has the banana skins.
I think I'll wait for the fight, Khan getting stopped and then none of us needing to hear any more about him.
I suppose Floyd could beat him up first though and then we'll get endless crap about he is Floyd's natural successor.
I'm not interested in a childish slanging match - so let's keep the discussion to fact based discussion please.
Edited by 9mm on Sunday 31st May 22:11
I think it would be intresting to see pacman rise to the challenge of Brook
Depends on how he views that fight. Im unsure of Brook as far. Although to be fair he can only beat what is put in front of him.
But a fight against Pacman will certainly show where he is in the pecking order
And maybe one that Pacman might rise to
If Brook has the power he seems to have, and beat Pacman, that would certainly give him credentials to go up against Mayweather.
Although in that scenario i doubt Mayweather would fancy fighting Brook.
Depends on how he views that fight. Im unsure of Brook as far. Although to be fair he can only beat what is put in front of him.
But a fight against Pacman will certainly show where he is in the pecking order
And maybe one that Pacman might rise to
If Brook has the power he seems to have, and beat Pacman, that would certainly give him credentials to go up against Mayweather.
Although in that scenario i doubt Mayweather would fancy fighting Brook.
Fittster said:
Trying to think of an opponent who has the skills to deal with Joshua's power but probably doesn't have the power to cause him serious trouble I come up with David Haye. Very good skills should allow him to keep away from Joshua's power punches but as a cruiser weight doesn't have the power to trouble a decent heavyweight. Looking at recent headlines he would have money problems which might tempt his to take on Joshua.
Suggesting Haye being a cruiser and not having the power to trouble a decent heavyweight?Haye is one of the hardest punchers out there!
Fittster said:
Dillian Whyte? There's a video of them as very raw amateurs fighting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDSH8cXtFRQ
Don't see any value in that fight besides point settling. Whyte has done nothing of note since turning pro
It's difficult to come up with an ideal opponent for Joshua, his got so little experience you don't want to throw him in with anybody a the top of the pack but his power seems to overwhelm the usual suspects they can't give him the rounds he needs.
David Price was smashing all of his early opponents in the same way Joshua is today, he was thrown in possibly to early in his career against a real contender (at the time), lost and his career has never recovered.
Trying to think of an opponent who has the skills to deal with Joshua's power but probably doesn't have the power to cause him serious trouble I come up with David Haye. Very good skills should allow him to keep away from Joshua's power punches but as a cruiser weight doesn't have the power to trouble a decent heavyweight. Looking at recent headlines he would have money problems which might tempt his to take on Joshua.
Oh there is nothing quite like the sound of cockney mums screaming "upper cut, in and out, in and out" to put the fear of god into me, I won't sleep tonight.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDSH8cXtFRQ
Don't see any value in that fight besides point settling. Whyte has done nothing of note since turning pro
It's difficult to come up with an ideal opponent for Joshua, his got so little experience you don't want to throw him in with anybody a the top of the pack but his power seems to overwhelm the usual suspects they can't give him the rounds he needs.
David Price was smashing all of his early opponents in the same way Joshua is today, he was thrown in possibly to early in his career against a real contender (at the time), lost and his career has never recovered.
Trying to think of an opponent who has the skills to deal with Joshua's power but probably doesn't have the power to cause him serious trouble I come up with David Haye. Very good skills should allow him to keep away from Joshua's power punches but as a cruiser weight doesn't have the power to trouble a decent heavyweight. Looking at recent headlines he would have money problems which might tempt his to take on Joshua.
That's the geezer, the clip shows quite how much AJ has filled out, he's still very young for a heavyweight, Tyson aside, they seem to mature much later. I disagree about Haye, he hits like a f
king freight train, and in my opinions he's retired for good.mikebradford said:
I think it would be intresting to see pacman rise to the challenge of Brook
Depends on how he views that fight. Im unsure of Brook as far. Although to be fair he can only beat what is put in front of him.
But a fight against Pacman will certainly show where he is in the pecking order
And maybe one that Pacman might rise to
If Brook has the power he seems to have, and beat Pacman, that would certainly give him credentials to go up against Mayweather.
Although in that scenario i doubt Mayweather would fancy fighting Brook.
Good in theory, but Pacman won't be fighting again for at least a year. If he fights again at all.Depends on how he views that fight. Im unsure of Brook as far. Although to be fair he can only beat what is put in front of him.
But a fight against Pacman will certainly show where he is in the pecking order
And maybe one that Pacman might rise to
If Brook has the power he seems to have, and beat Pacman, that would certainly give him credentials to go up against Mayweather.
Although in that scenario i doubt Mayweather would fancy fighting Brook.
Brook vs Khan must happen. In all seriousness, I can't see a better option for either fighter.
Amirhussain said:
Khan gets too much stick for his chin, look at some of the punches he took from Maidana.
Exactly. The only glass chin example is against Prescott, but most fighters would have gone down having been hit that cleanly. The key is to not get hit that cleanly, and after getting up go into survival mode for a while (Khan doesn't have a survival mode).Garcia caught him with a huge left hook. I doubt any boxer at that weight would have just shrugged it off.
He is NOT glass-chinned. He just doesn't respond well to being hit (i.e. the red mist descends). He has sorted that part of his game out now and is a whole lot more mature as a result.
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