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Really interesting insight into the life of "journey men" boxers...
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/boxing/29520846
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/boxing/29520846
FredClogs said:
Really interesting insight into the life of "journey men" boxers...
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/boxing/29520846
Absolutely - a lot of casual observers don't realise the ability many of these guys actually have. There was an excellent documentary about one of the fighters mentioned in the article - Johnny Greaves - on BT Sports a few months ago. I can't find it on YouTube but it's linked at the end of this article. If anyone has an hour to spare, it is well worth a watch (for some reason, you get a test card for a couple of minutes before the film itself actually starts, so don't be put off!):http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/boxing/29520846
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/the-balls-of-wrat...
Joshua has the potential to beat Arreola, but not yet, chances are.
Arreola, if he came in shape as he seems to be doing more often lately, could be a real danger. Joshua's victims have tended either to back away allowing him to stalk them down with power punches (often much smaller too) or flailed bravely but futilely, and with less skill.
Arreola would probably come at him quite quickly, not allowing him to settle and unless picked off early with a big shot (which could happen, true) has fast hands, a good jab and decent control of movement and timing so would very likely land a good number of his own. Also has enough power to hurt Joshua. Too soon, way too soon...
Arreola, if he came in shape as he seems to be doing more often lately, could be a real danger. Joshua's victims have tended either to back away allowing him to stalk them down with power punches (often much smaller too) or flailed bravely but futilely, and with less skill.
Arreola would probably come at him quite quickly, not allowing him to settle and unless picked off early with a big shot (which could happen, true) has fast hands, a good jab and decent control of movement and timing so would very likely land a good number of his own. Also has enough power to hurt Joshua. Too soon, way too soon...
Edited by BillPeart on Wednesday 8th October 18:24
Some interesting thoughts there, and I'd agree with you that Arreola seems to have been getting himself in better shape more recently (i.e. the title fight with Stiverne and the embarrassing of Seth Mitchell). He's also far more experienced than anyone Joshua has been in with to date, so I'd concur it would be a big risk. That said, if you twisted my arm and asked me to predict how it would end were they to fight tomorrow, I think I'd back Joshua by KO as the most likely of outcomes (that said, I said the same - twice - about Price when he fought Thompson, so my track record is not exemplary!). Arreola's chin has been exposed in both fights against Stiverne and not only is Joshua heavy-handed, but for an 8-fight novice seems very astute in his shot selection (much more Klitschko than Wilder!).
I see from your profile you're in America. How much coverage is Joshua getting in the States? You seem pretty clued up on him...are his fights getting shown on TV over there or are you having to hunt them down on YouTube etc?
I see from your profile you're in America. How much coverage is Joshua getting in the States? You seem pretty clued up on him...are his fights getting shown on TV over there or are you having to hunt them down on YouTube etc?
Yiliterate said:
Some interesting thoughts there, and I'd agree with you that Arreola seems to have been getting himself in better shape more recently (i.e. the title fight with Stiverne and the embarrassing of Seth Mitchell). He's also far more experienced than anyone Joshua has been in with to date, so I'd concur it would be a big risk. That said, if you twisted my arm and asked me to predict how it would end were they to fight tomorrow, I think I'd back Joshua by KO as the most likely of outcomes (that said, I said the same - twice - about Price when he fought Thompson, so my track record is not exemplary!). Arreola's chin has been exposed in both fights against Stiverne and not only is Joshua heavy-handed, but for an 8-fight novice seems very astute in his shot selection (much more Klitschko than Wilder!).
I see from your profile you're in America. How much coverage is Joshua getting in the States? You seem pretty clued up on him...are his fights getting shown on TV over there or are you having to hunt them down on YouTube etc?
I'd hate to put my shirt on it! Just think Arreola might have the ability to fluster Joshua and knock him off his stride. For now I think I'd go with him, but would want to wait for the weigh-in figures before deciding!I see from your profile you're in America. How much coverage is Joshua getting in the States? You seem pretty clued up on him...are his fights getting shown on TV over there or are you having to hunt them down on YouTube etc?
I'm in and out of the US and UK, but in America there is some growing interest, mainly from guys like Dan Raphael who seems to be a fan. But it's hardly mainstream, though heavyweight boxing here is still of relatively little interest, even with Wilder and Stiverne. All the focus is on the lighter weights and even then the pay for view figures (high!) and ill-effect of the rival promoters screwing things up so much have really damaged boxing in the US, at least with the casual followers.
this briggs/ klitschko thing is getting f
king superb. it's just a fight that shouldn't happen for the good of briggs' health!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnilcR5-YZQ
king superb. it's just a fight that shouldn't happen for the good of briggs' health!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnilcR5-YZQ
tuscaneer said:
this briggs/ klitschko thing is getting fking superb. it's just a fight that shouldn't happen for the good of briggs' health!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnilcR5-YZQ
I cannot work out if he is an absolute genius or imbecile or both either way if it leads to a fight I fear for Briggs he must be riling Wlad up something chronic maybe enough for him to go full metal jacket on himking superb. it's just a fight that shouldn't happen for the good of briggs' health!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnilcR5-YZQ
I think he's desperate for the payday. even no names like leipai are getting paid upwards of 1 million euros for a title challenge and despite his advancing age he's still a big name. he's obviously got himself in good shape but fighting no hopers like corey phelps is no preparation for a fight against wladimir.
it worries me that at 42 he might just goad wlad into a fight. vitali nearly killed him when they fought but it looks like a week long stay in a german hospital hasn't deterred him from wanting a bit more against the harder punching of the two brothers. i'd hope wlad takes the same stand he did when challenged by evander holyfield but how many times can you poke the bear before it lashes out??!!
it worries me that at 42 he might just goad wlad into a fight. vitali nearly killed him when they fought but it looks like a week long stay in a german hospital hasn't deterred him from wanting a bit more against the harder punching of the two brothers. i'd hope wlad takes the same stand he did when challenged by evander holyfield but how many times can you poke the bear before it lashes out??!!
BillPeart said:
All the focus is on the lighter weights and even then the pay for view figures (high!) and ill-effect of the rival promoters screwing things up so much have really damaged boxing in the US, at least with the casual followers.
What's the promotional situation like now in the US? There seemed to be a suggestion that things were starting to improve a bit, with Golden Boy and Top Rank working together on a show recently (Lomachenko vs Russell jr), supposedly helped by Richard Schaefer no longer being with Golden Boy. Has there been any signs since then that more walls might be coming down...?Edited by Yiliterate on Thursday 9th October 18:39
Yiliterate said:
BillPeart said:
All the focus is on the lighter weights and even then the pay for view figures (high!) and ill-effect of the rival promoters screwing things up so much have really damaged boxing in the US, at least with the casual followers.
What's the promotional situation like now in the US? There seemed to be a suggestion that things were starting to improve a bit, with Golden Boy and Top Rank working together on a show recently (Lomachenko vs Russell jr), supposedly helped by Richard Schaefer no longer being with Golden Boy. Has there been any signs since then that more walls might be coming down...?Edited by Yiliterate on Thursday 9th October 18:39
BTW - when I wrote ppv figures are high, I meant extortionate cost, not uptake!
Great results for selby and joshua last night. Selby fought as well as I've seen him expertly controlling the pace and distance. Joshua looks like wrecking machine now doesn't he!!?? Tagged a couple of times but didn't panic or back off but stayed on target. Great performance that reminded me of a young bruno. Not the guy that became a bit of a joke but the guy that could box and punch and was ripping it up for the first part of his career. What happened to big frank? What he became was so far from what he was when he started
Anyway back to joshua. There's been a bit of fuss today about a fight with David price. ....id like to see that but I think I'd like joshua to have another couple and price to have another confidence builder first. That would be a cracking fight for next summer.
Anyway back to joshua. There's been a bit of fuss today about a fight with David price. ....id like to see that but I think I'd like joshua to have another couple and price to have another confidence builder first. That would be a cracking fight for next summer.
Joshua looks powerful but lets be honest that guy was pretty poor giving away height and reach in my eyes on paper it may have been a step up but always had the potential to be a one sided contest.Sprott next well Sprott is just a journeyman now cant see really what it would prove.Big AJ looks very impressive so far and you can only beat what is put in front of you but the crunch time will be when he properly gets hit if he proves he has a good chin then in this climate he can certainly clean up (after klitschko retires).
What struck me last night was the accuracy of Joshua's shots. He was piling them in and they were all hitting the mark. He looks the proper real deal to me. Price was trying to talk himself up but personally I don't think he's in Joshua's class. I think I also saw a bit of fear in his eye when he was looking up at Joshua in the ring.
Edited by hornetrider on Sunday 12th October 21:45
it would be very interesting to see how Joshua coped with a big rangy heavy hitter in price. when you are so much bigger and have such a reach advantage it is a lot easier to pile through these fairly immobile opponents but I honestly would give price an edge in both speed and power and a bigger reach. of course there are major questions hanging over the head of price in terms of mental fragility, conditioning and chin.
if price could "do a klitschko" and control the centre of ring behind his thunderous jab and stop Joshua in his tracks on the way in he could win the fight. but he'd have to be prepred to be switched on for potentially 12 full rounds. could he do it?
Joshua, on the other hand , would be better getting to middle and short distance where he seems to look very comfortable. if he could penetrate through the price jab and cross without picking up too much damage that would be his way to win.
if price could "do a klitschko" and control the centre of ring behind his thunderous jab and stop Joshua in his tracks on the way in he could win the fight. but he'd have to be prepred to be switched on for potentially 12 full rounds. could he do it?
Joshua, on the other hand , would be better getting to middle and short distance where he seems to look very comfortable. if he could penetrate through the price jab and cross without picking up too much damage that would be his way to win.
Yazza54 said:
Can't wait to see Wlad knock Briggs the fk out.
Is a fight now confirmed?
strong rumours at this point. briggs certainly isn't a mandatory but wlad could theoretically squeeze in a voluntary before his next "proper" fight.k out.Is a fight now confirmed?
I personally don't want to see it. briggs at 42 is at risk of permanent damage and one absolute hiding is enough for a man of his age. all these videos are hilarious but the cold reality of it is wlad is levels above him and wether briggs is in shape or not he is destined for another trip to the hospital for his payday. armed with this information up front it doesn't sit comfortably with me really
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