The **BOXING** thread

[FredClogs]

Cleverly win for me, by decision or later stoppage. Regardless of Bellew's game plan I think he'll get caught in the moment and start throwing bombs from round one, I think he'll be punched out by round 5, he may even go in there trying to get an early knock out. That's not to say that's what I want but I think that's what will happen.

[dirty boy]

FredClogs said:

Cleverly win for me, by decision or later stoppage. Regardless of Bellew's game plan I think he'll get caught in the moment and start throwing bombs from round one, I think he'll be punched out by round 5, he may even go in there trying to get an early knock out. That's not to say that's what I want but I think that's what will happen.

I don't think Bellew is that stupid, he's a good boxer and has a surprisingly smart ring IQ.

That said, he is acting in a very highly strung manner.

[FredClogs]

dirty boy said:

FredClogs said:

Cleverly win for me, by decision or later stoppage. Regardless of Bellew's game plan I think he'll get caught in the moment and start throwing bombs from round one, I think he'll be punched out by round 5, he may even go in there trying to get an early knock out. That's not to say that's what I want but I think that's what will happen.

I don't think Bellew is that stupid, he's a good boxer and has a surprisingly smart ring IQ.

That said, he is acting in a very highly strung manner.

Well he certainly knows more about it than I do and I'd be happy to be proved wrong, I just have a vague memory of him starting a bit too quick for the Stevenson and Chilemba fights and trying to end them early - which to be fair is probably what he did for his first 20 odd pro fights and it worked a treat, and like you say he has ratcheted up the fervor for this fight to such a pitch that I can't see how it won't effect him.

[tuscaneer]

dirty boy said:

Shame he never fought his brother

mummy put a stop to that after they were tearing lumps out of each other when they were younger!!

[tuscaneer]

FredClogs said:

dirty boy said:

FredClogs said:

Cleverly win for me, by decision or later stoppage. Regardless of Bellew's game plan I think he'll get caught in the moment and start throwing bombs from round one, I think he'll be punched out by round 5, he may even go in there trying to get an early knock out. That's not to say that's what I want but I think that's what will happen.

I don't think Bellew is that stupid, he's a good boxer and has a surprisingly smart ring IQ.

That said, he is acting in a very highly strung manner.

Well he certainly knows more about it than I do and I'd be happy to be proved wrong, I just have a vague memory of him starting a bit too quick for the Stevenson and Chilemba fights and trying to end them early - which to be fair is probably what he did for his first 20 odd pro fights and it worked a treat, and like you say he has ratcheted up the fervor for this fight to such a pitch that I can't see how it won't effect him.

even as an amateur up here he had that manic pre fight hard case routine, I think that's how he gets himself up. wheras it can be negative for some fighters guysd like bellew thrive on it. think back to the fierey temperament of Roberto duran. he wouldn't have been half the fighter he was if he didn't have that hatred for opponents he built up in himself.

[STW2010]

FredClogs said:

Cleverly win for me, by decision or later stoppage. Regardless of Bellew's game plan I think he'll get caught in the moment and start throwing bombs from round one, I think he'll be punched out by round 5, he may even go in there trying to get an early knock out. That's not to say that's what I want but I think that's what will happen.

To me Cleverly is the faster and better boxer. He has the power to stop Bellew too, so I can't see Bellew winning this one.

I can't stand Bellew either, so really do hope Cleverly shuts him up for good.

[tuscaneer]

STW2010 said:

FredClogs said:

Cleverly win for me, by decision or later stoppage. Regardless of Bellew's game plan I think he'll get caught in the moment and start throwing bombs from round one, I think he'll be punched out by round 5, he may even go in there trying to get an early knock out. That's not to say that's what I want but I think that's what will happen.

To me Cleverly is the faster and better boxer. He has the power to stop Bellew too, so I can't see Bellew winning this one.

I can't stand Bellew either, so really do hope Cleverly shuts him up for good.

however......playing devils advocate here.....he couldn't stop him down at light heavy and he doesn't look to be any bigger a puncher at cruiser. bellew was more fragile at light heavy due to cutting too much weight. and he DEFINATELY packs a bigger punch at his more natural weight of cruiserweight

[dirty boy]

tuscaneer said:

STW2010 said:

FredClogs said:

Cleverly win for me, by decision or later stoppage. Regardless of Bellew's game plan I think he'll get caught in the moment and start throwing bombs from round one, I think he'll be punched out by round 5, he may even go in there trying to get an early knock out. That's not to say that's what I want but I think that's what will happen.

To me Cleverly is the faster and better boxer. He has the power to stop Bellew too, so I can't see Bellew winning this one.

I can't stand Bellew either, so really do hope Cleverly shuts him up for good.

however......playing devils advocate here.....he couldn't stop him down at light heavy and he doesn't look to be any bigger a puncher at cruiser. bellew was more fragile at light heavy due to cutting too much weight. and he DEFINATELY packs a bigger punch at his more natural weight of cruiserweight

I'm with you on this one.

Worth pointing out, I know a few people who have met Tony and say what they're seeing on TV is odd as he's always happy to speak, friendly and seems a genuinely top bloke.

I think it's a bit of acting added on to the dislike for Cleverly for the cameras, no doubting he doesn't like the guy though.

[Birkin1932]

If you seen Tony in the flesh at light heavy, you would worry about him. He looked amaciated to the extreme.

At Cruiser he looks great, healthy and seems to carry power into later rounds, at light heavy he tended to run out of steam. Possibly due to the crazy wasting he was doing.

All this "I cant stand bellew" to me is a bit over the top. Meet the guy at fights, he will stand signing autographs until there is nobody left, I watched him at the MEN stand for 40mins for photographs, he's a nice guy.

Cleverlys warm up fights were a joke, tony went straight in at a higher level and knocked them both out. I can see Tony taking him out between 5 and 8. I don't believe cleverly believes what he is saying. I think he will retire if beaten

Tony is a great boxer with a fantastic amateur background, a bit mouthy but that's a scouser for you.

I will be at ringside

Come on Tony Lad

[tuscaneer]

.......ABA heavyweight champion 3 years running!! ......yeah, it's all for the cameras, and let's face it....it's worked!! ppv top billing at a sold out echo arena!! he's a nice guy really but he probably dislikes cleverly just a little bit! HA!!

[Yiliterate]

tuscaneer said:

just peeled this off klitschko's facebook page...................history making is getting ever closer to , for me, the best heavyweight of them all in joe Louis.




The longest reigning champions in the history of boxing.

Joe Louis: 66-3, 52 KOs, KO'd 2x, 26-0 in title fights, 25 defenses, champ 11 years, 8 months, 8 days of 17-year career.

Wladimir Klitschko: 63-3, 54 KOs, KO'd 3x, 24-2 in title fights, 17 defenses, champ 8 years, 7 months in 18-year career (so far).

Joe Louis 50-4 as amateur, US AAU champ in 1934.
Wladimir 134-6 as amateur, 1996 Olympic super heavyweight gold medalist.

Joe Louis never fought an undefeated opponent in a title fight.
Wladimir has beaten an undefeated fighter in 4 of last 5 title fights and in 7 overall.

Louis retired at 37. Wladimir still dominant champ at 38.


Photo: The longest reigning champions in the history of boxing. Joe Louis: 66-3, 52 KOs, KO'd 2x, 26-0 in title fights, 25 defenses, champ 11 years, 8 months, 8 days of 17-year career. Wladimir Klitschko: 63-3, 54 KOs, KO'd 3x, 24-2 in title fights, 17 defenses, champ 8 years, 7 months in 18-year career (so far). Joe Louis 50-4 as amateur, US AAU champ in 1934. Wladimir 134-6 as amateur, 1996 Olympic super heavyweight gold medalist. Joe Louis never fought an undefeated opponent in a title fight. Wladimir has beaten an undefeated fighter in 4 of last 5 title fights and in 7 overall. Louis retired at 37. Wladimir still dominant champ at 38.

Slowly, slowly, Wlad is starting to get the recognition his talent deserves. There's no quick path to getting that recognition for Wlad as he didn't/doesn't have another recognised great of his era to prove his greatness against (well, actually he did, as dirty boy identifies, but let's leave that aside for the time being!)...although his crushingly effective yet rarely spectacular style hasn't done a lot to win sceptics over. So he can only get there by winning and winning and winning to the point where if he wasn't the genuine article, he would have tripped up somewhere along the line....and IMO that's now where he's getting to.

In respect of Joe Louis' record, one of the most stunning things is his 25-fight title reign includes a four-year period where he fought just once (thanks to WW2)...that was from his late twenties into his early thirties as well i.e. bang in his prime years. Amazing fighter.

[STW2010]

Wlad is certainly one of the greats, no doubting that. He gets an unfair time of it (as did his brother) because they make the rest of the division appear so mundane.

Very divided on Bellew-Cleverly then aren't we! I'm sure Bellew is a nice guy but from everything I see of him on TV he comes across as a dick- I've seen him as a pundit where Cleverly had nothing to do with who was fighting that night and he still used it as a platform to slag him off. His obsession with Cleverly is unhealthy.

Cleverly is huge now and looks like he can deliver punches with more spite. I'm going to say Cleverly wins it in round 8.

[Yiliterate]

Just heard Bellew on the radio slagging off Cleverly's maths degree classification; the Bomber was pouring scorn on Clev's 2:2! Just when you thought you'd heard it all in boxing...

[RAFsmoggy]

Did anyone else see the film Klitchko last night on ITV4, it was at 00.05 & ended @ 02:20 . Absolutely fascinating,Vlad was saying how he used to paddle in pools & float paper boats when he was about 8 yrs old ,the pools of water were from the Chernobyl plant !!

http://www.tvguide.co.uk/detail/1639650/103217975/...

[tuscaneer]

Yiliterate said:

Slowly, slowly, Wlad is starting to get the recognition his talent deserves. There's no quick path to getting that recognition for Wlad as he didn't/doesn't have another recognised great of his era to prove his greatness against (well, actually he did, as dirty boy identifies, but let's leave that aside for the time being!)...although his crushingly effective yet rarely spectacular style hasn't done a lot to win sceptics over. So he can only get there by winning and winning and winning to the point where if he wasn't the genuine article, he would have tripped up somewhere along the line....and IMO that's now where he's getting to.

In respect of Joe Louis' record, one of the most stunning things is his 25-fight title reign includes a four-year period where he fought just once (thanks to WW2)...that was from his late twenties into his early thirties as well i.e. bang in his prime years. Amazing fighter.

the only minus for me with joe was that a lot of his opponents were poor, but I can see parallels with wlad in that joe was so good even contenders were made to look like chumps. there's a part of me that doesn't want Louis's record to be broken but on the other hand I've followed wlad's career since he was an amateur and he is everything I want in a heavyweight champion. if anything I respect him more for coming back and re grouping after sanders and brewster- going back to the drawing board and coming back better than ever.....if anyone deserves to be a history maker it's him!

[tuscaneer]

Yiliterate said:

Just heard Bellew on the radio slagging off Cleverly's maths degree classification; the Bomber was pouring scorn on Clev's 2:2! Just when you thought you'd heard it all in boxing...

a 2:2???? fkin' dhead!!!

[tuscaneer]

RAFsmoggy said:

Did anyone else see the film Klitchko last night on ITV4, it was at 00.05 & ended @ 02:20 . Absolutely fascinating,Vlad was saying how he used to paddle in pools & float paper boats when he was about 8 yrs old ,the pools of water were from the Chernobyl plant !!

http://www.tvguide.co.uk/detail/1639650/103217975/...

great docu isn't it?? i'm amazed their dad survived for as long as he did given he was one of the first on the scene at Chernobyl , it was great to see that he saw his sons hold all the belts before he died

[tuscaneer]

just read that hbo have said they want wlad to fight Bryant Jennings in the states in april. not a bad fight that, another unbeaten challenger which makes 4 of his last 5 opponents unbeaten going in. I was hoping that his next fight would be in munich against the winner of fury/chisora so I could go out for the weekend again. i'm not going to America for a fight so it looks like i'll be waiting until september

[Dift]

I see Bellew most mornings dropping his kid off at school. For me, having seen few of his fights (and his pre fight mentality), I have always found him a decent bloke.

Obviously still talk of the play ground, but stops and talks to everyone.

I've had a nice chat with him and comparatively I know sweet FA about boxing, but he didn't hold that against me... I didn't even know who he was when I first met him.

I will be watching with interest.

[tuscaneer]

Dift said:

I see Bellew most mornings dropping his kid off at school. For me, having seen few of his fights (and his pre fight mentality), I have always found him a decent bloke.

Obviously still talk of the play ground, but stops and talks to everyone.

I've had a nice chat with him and comparatively I know sweet FA about boxing, but he didn't hold that against me... I didn't even know who he was when I first met him.

I will be watching with interest.

that's reminded me of something funny that.........when me and the mrs went on honeymoon a gooooooood few years ago our flights to frisco were from London so we jumped a flight from Manchester to London first. I have been a ricky hatton fan since he turned over and was fighting in leisure centres around the north west but at this point he was a bigg-ish fighter in boxing circles but not a known face to the general public.apparently he was flying to London to sign a contract for a particular fight I can't remember now.

he was sat a couple of rows up from us so I went over and started talking , telling him i'd seen his pro debut on a robin reid card in widnes etc. good chat and he wrote us a message on our Hawaii tourist guide....congratulations etc.

nobody on the plane recognised him. not one person. if you wound the clock forward 5 years he would have been mobbed!! of course, other passengers seeing us and listening to us started asking him for autographs and so on.!!he was a gentleman and very patient with the passengers.