The **BOXING** thread
Discussion
Gerradi said:
I think the reason Tyson did not do well was he was past his best out of condition, not ready & tbh it was pitiful to watch the great man mix it with A Lewis, who lets face it would not have lived with a in prime Tyson. Listen to what Tyson says after the fight...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49ky1yAIGB0
You can argue that point with Lewis if you want: http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/articles-front...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49ky1yAIGB0
W Klitschko was never brilliant but maximised his physical tools under the tutelage of Manny Steward. No one in recent times has had the size and/or skill to expose his flaws and no referee (except in his recent fight with Jennings) has docked him points for excessive holding and clinching.
I don't think WK has slowed down, he just struggles with good movers (like Jennings and Haye) and has no inside game (so he clinches and holds).
With regards to this weeks Pacquiao v Mayweather fight, ordinarily I would expect a decision for either boxer and lean towards Mayweather. However, given:
1. What I have posted above (Mayweather's association with Angel Heredia - a convicted crooked-Chemist masquerading as a strength and conditioning coach);
2. USADA testing Pacquiao at least 6 times so far and Mayweather only once;
3. The change in Mayweather's appearance as compared to previous fights (just like Marquez in his fourth fight with Pacquiao);
3. Previous USADA lies (about testing Broner and DeMarco - they released statements claiming that both have successfully passed all of their tests. Then DeMarco revealed that he was never tested - http://www.maxboxing.com/news/max-boxing-news/bron...
4. Mayweather being a natural 147lb-er and Pacquiao being a natural 140lb-er;
I feel that Mayweather could get the stoppage/KO.
Heart says Pacquiao, head says hmmm... Mayweather, possibly!
I don't think WK has slowed down, he just struggles with good movers (like Jennings and Haye) and has no inside game (so he clinches and holds).
With regards to this weeks Pacquiao v Mayweather fight, ordinarily I would expect a decision for either boxer and lean towards Mayweather. However, given:
1. What I have posted above (Mayweather's association with Angel Heredia - a convicted crooked-Chemist masquerading as a strength and conditioning coach);
2. USADA testing Pacquiao at least 6 times so far and Mayweather only once;
3. The change in Mayweather's appearance as compared to previous fights (just like Marquez in his fourth fight with Pacquiao);
3. Previous USADA lies (about testing Broner and DeMarco - they released statements claiming that both have successfully passed all of their tests. Then DeMarco revealed that he was never tested - http://www.maxboxing.com/news/max-boxing-news/bron...
4. Mayweather being a natural 147lb-er and Pacquiao being a natural 140lb-er;
I feel that Mayweather could get the stoppage/KO.
Heart says Pacquiao, head says hmmm... Mayweather, possibly!
Gerradi said:
Fittster said:
He didn't do to well against one of the modern world's giants. I'm not saying height on it's own is a guarantee of success (as I'm sure Fury will prove) but it's bloody helpful.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennox_Lewis_vs._Mike...
Arguable the last non-giant to hold the linear heavyweight belt was Michael Moorer back in 1994 at 6 ft 2 in.
Since then George Foreman @ 6 ft 4 in (although I've also seen him listed at 6 ft 3) in
Shannon Briggs @ 6 ft 4 in
Lennox Lewis @ 6 ft 5 in
Walad @ 6 ft 6 in
To me Evander Holyfield was the last relatively small heavyweight who could stay at the top of the pile for a while rather than just win a one off fight, such as Hasim Rahman.
With regards to fighters like Joe Frazier & Marciano I think there's a need to acknowledge people and especially fighter are bigger now than they once were.
I think the reason Tyson did not do well was he was past his best out of condition, not ready & tbh it was pitiful to watch the great man mix it with A Lewis, who lets face it would not have lived with a in prime Tyson. Listen to what Tyson says after the fight...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennox_Lewis_vs._Mike...
Arguable the last non-giant to hold the linear heavyweight belt was Michael Moorer back in 1994 at 6 ft 2 in.
Since then George Foreman @ 6 ft 4 in (although I've also seen him listed at 6 ft 3) in
Shannon Briggs @ 6 ft 4 in
Lennox Lewis @ 6 ft 5 in
Walad @ 6 ft 6 in
To me Evander Holyfield was the last relatively small heavyweight who could stay at the top of the pile for a while rather than just win a one off fight, such as Hasim Rahman.
With regards to fighters like Joe Frazier & Marciano I think there's a need to acknowledge people and especially fighter are bigger now than they once were.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49ky1yAIGB0
Where will agree with you re Tyson I think this can be reversed in the Holme/Tyson fight, IMO Tyson would not have beaten in prime Holmes.
As far as Holyfield goes he ,imo, has been one of the most courageous heavyweights out there !
I watched a really insightful interview with Tyson recently, he basically said he knew he was more or less finished as soon as he left prison and got through fights by sheer intimidation of weaker opponents, he said he knew he had lost the ability to beat in his words a good pro. Interestingly he said he never felt right after his fights with Razor Ruddock, not suprising considering how hard that guy hit.
RockyBalboa said:
W Klitschko was never brilliant but maximised his physical tools under the tutelage of Manny Steward. No one in recent times has had the size and/or skill to expose his flaws and no referee (except in his recent fight with Jennings) has docked him points for excessive holding and clinching.
I don't think WK has slowed down, he just struggles with good movers (like Jennings and Haye) and has no inside game (so he clinches and holds).
With regards to this weeks Pacquiao v Mayweather fight, ordinarily I would expect a decision for either boxer and lean towards Mayweather. However, given:
1. What I have posted above (Mayweather's association with Angel Heredia - a convicted crooked-Chemist masquerading as a strength and conditioning coach);
2. USADA testing Pacquiao at least 6 times so far and Mayweather only once;
3. The change in Mayweather's appearance as compared to previous fights (just like Marquez in his fourth fight with Pacquiao);
3. Previous USADA lies (about testing Broner and DeMarco - they released statements claiming that both have successfully passed all of their tests. Then DeMarco revealed that he was never tested - http://www.maxboxing.com/news/max-boxing-news/bron...
4. Mayweather being a natural 147lb-er and Pacquiao being a natural 140lb-er;
I feel that Mayweather could get the stoppage/KO.
Heart says Pacquiao, head says hmmm... Mayweather, possibly!
that is shocking that manny has been hit 6 times to floyd's once. i'm surprised nobody from the pacquiao side has kicked up a stink over that.I don't think WK has slowed down, he just struggles with good movers (like Jennings and Haye) and has no inside game (so he clinches and holds).
With regards to this weeks Pacquiao v Mayweather fight, ordinarily I would expect a decision for either boxer and lean towards Mayweather. However, given:
1. What I have posted above (Mayweather's association with Angel Heredia - a convicted crooked-Chemist masquerading as a strength and conditioning coach);
2. USADA testing Pacquiao at least 6 times so far and Mayweather only once;
3. The change in Mayweather's appearance as compared to previous fights (just like Marquez in his fourth fight with Pacquiao);
3. Previous USADA lies (about testing Broner and DeMarco - they released statements claiming that both have successfully passed all of their tests. Then DeMarco revealed that he was never tested - http://www.maxboxing.com/news/max-boxing-news/bron...
4. Mayweather being a natural 147lb-er and Pacquiao being a natural 140lb-er;
I feel that Mayweather could get the stoppage/KO.
Heart says Pacquiao, head says hmmm... Mayweather, possibly!
as for wlad, he has stated many times....keep it simple, keep it effective.....and to be fair to say he struggled with haye and jennings.....well he won nearly every round in both fights!!
everyone says it's easy to just get round his jab but in a decorated amateur career (134-6 with world's and olympic gold) and exemplary pro career there's not many that have managed it.....when he has come apart( the corrie sanders loss) it was because he was uber aggressive and left himself open. keep it simple, keep it effective. when you're that good at range (i would say he has one of the best jabs in heavyweight history along with holmes and lewis) you don't need to fight on the inside.
larsson7 said:
Gerradi said:
Fittster said:
He didn't do to well against one of the modern world's giants. I'm not saying height on it's own is a guarantee of success (as I'm sure Fury will prove) but it's bloody helpful.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennox_Lewis_vs._Mike...
Arguable the last non-giant to hold the linear heavyweight belt was Michael Moorer back in 1994 at 6 ft 2 in.
Since then George Foreman @ 6 ft 4 in (although I've also seen him listed at 6 ft 3) in
Shannon Briggs @ 6 ft 4 in
Lennox Lewis @ 6 ft 5 in
Walad @ 6 ft 6 in
To me Evander Holyfield was the last relatively small heavyweight who could stay at the top of the pile for a while rather than just win a one off fight, such as Hasim Rahman.
With regards to fighters like Joe Frazier & Marciano I think there's a need to acknowledge people and especially fighter are bigger now than they once were.
I think the reason Tyson did not do well was he was past his best out of condition, not ready & tbh it was pitiful to watch the great man mix it with A Lewis, who lets face it would not have lived with a in prime Tyson. Listen to what Tyson says after the fight...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennox_Lewis_vs._Mike...
Arguable the last non-giant to hold the linear heavyweight belt was Michael Moorer back in 1994 at 6 ft 2 in.
Since then George Foreman @ 6 ft 4 in (although I've also seen him listed at 6 ft 3) in
Shannon Briggs @ 6 ft 4 in
Lennox Lewis @ 6 ft 5 in
Walad @ 6 ft 6 in
To me Evander Holyfield was the last relatively small heavyweight who could stay at the top of the pile for a while rather than just win a one off fight, such as Hasim Rahman.
With regards to fighters like Joe Frazier & Marciano I think there's a need to acknowledge people and especially fighter are bigger now than they once were.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49ky1yAIGB0
Where will agree with you re Tyson I think this can be reversed in the Holme/Tyson fight, IMO Tyson would not have beaten in prime Holmes.
As far as Holyfield goes he ,imo, has been one of the most courageous heavyweights out there !
I watched a really insightful interview with Tyson recently, he basically said he knew he was more or less finished as soon as he left prison and got through fights by sheer intimidation of weaker opponents, he said he knew he had lost the ability to beat in his words a good pro. Interestingly he said he never felt right after his fights with Razor Ruddock, not suprising considering how hard that guy hit.
i personally feel that lennox would have beaten tyson at any point in their careers. keep him on the end of that long hard jab and bust him up.
this is pretty much what happened when they sparred at catskills when they were both young. lennox was coming out for the first and tyson swarmed him and knocked him through the ropes catching lennox unawares. what did lennox do?? climbed back in and gave tyson a f
king hiding for 3 rounds.Edited by tuscaneer on Wednesday 29th April 08:25
tuscaneer said:
RockyBalboa said:
W Klitschko was never brilliant but maximised his physical tools under the tutelage of Manny Steward. No one in recent times has had the size and/or skill to expose his flaws and no referee (except in his recent fight with Jennings) has docked him points for excessive holding and clinching.
I don't think WK has slowed down, he just struggles with good movers (like Jennings and Haye) and has no inside game (so he clinches and holds).
With regards to this weeks Pacquiao v Mayweather fight, ordinarily I would expect a decision for either boxer and lean towards Mayweather. However, given:
1. What I have posted above (Mayweather's association with Angel Heredia - a convicted crooked-Chemist masquerading as a strength and conditioning coach);
2. USADA testing Pacquiao at least 6 times so far and Mayweather only once;
3. The change in Mayweather's appearance as compared to previous fights (just like Marquez in his fourth fight with Pacquiao);
3. Previous USADA lies (about testing Broner and DeMarco - they released statements claiming that both have successfully passed all of their tests. Then DeMarco revealed that he was never tested - http://www.maxboxing.com/news/max-boxing-news/bron...
4. Mayweather being a natural 147lb-er and Pacquiao being a natural 140lb-er;
I feel that Mayweather could get the stoppage/KO.
Heart says Pacquiao, head says hmmm... Mayweather, possibly!
that is shocking that manny has been hit 6 times to floyd's once. i'm surprised nobody from the pacquiao side has kicked up a stink over that.I don't think WK has slowed down, he just struggles with good movers (like Jennings and Haye) and has no inside game (so he clinches and holds).
With regards to this weeks Pacquiao v Mayweather fight, ordinarily I would expect a decision for either boxer and lean towards Mayweather. However, given:
1. What I have posted above (Mayweather's association with Angel Heredia - a convicted crooked-Chemist masquerading as a strength and conditioning coach);
2. USADA testing Pacquiao at least 6 times so far and Mayweather only once;
3. The change in Mayweather's appearance as compared to previous fights (just like Marquez in his fourth fight with Pacquiao);
3. Previous USADA lies (about testing Broner and DeMarco - they released statements claiming that both have successfully passed all of their tests. Then DeMarco revealed that he was never tested - http://www.maxboxing.com/news/max-boxing-news/bron...
4. Mayweather being a natural 147lb-er and Pacquiao being a natural 140lb-er;
I feel that Mayweather could get the stoppage/KO.
Heart says Pacquiao, head says hmmm... Mayweather, possibly!
as for wlad, he has stated many times....keep it simple, keep it effective.....and to be fair to say he struggled with haye and jennings.....well he won nearly every round in both fights!!
everyone says it's easy to just get round his jab but in a decorated amateur career (134-6 with world's and olympic gold) and exemplary pro career there's not many that have managed it.....when he has come apart( the corrie sanders loss) it was because he was uber aggressive and left himself open. keep it simple, keep it effective. when you're that good at range (i would say he has one of the best jabs in heavyweight history along with holmes and lewis) you don't need to fight on the inside.
'For weeks, Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather have been met at all hours by strangers. They've been visited in their homes and in their gyms, voluntarily giving blood and urine aimed at ensuring both boxers enter the ring for Saturday's (Sunday NZ time) much-anticipated fight completely drug-free. Travis Tygart, chief executive of the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA), calls it a "gold standard program that meets best international standards." USADA is the independent agency overseeing drug-testing for the fight, using many of the same stringent practices and standards it applies to US Olympic athletes.
"A real tribute to both of these fighters for voluntarily agreeing to do it," Tygart said. "I think it speaks volumes for the importance of health and safety in a sport like boxing and just as importantly, for the integrity of the competition."
lord trumpton said:
According to this article quote it appears that the testing has been equal.
'For weeks, Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather have been met at all hours by strangers. They've been visited in their homes and in their gyms, voluntarily giving blood and urine aimed at ensuring both boxers enter the ring for Saturday's (Sunday NZ time) much-anticipated fight completely drug-free. Travis Tygart, chief executive of the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA), calls it a "gold standard program that meets best international standards." USADA is the independent agency overseeing drug-testing for the fight, using many of the same stringent practices and standards it applies to US Olympic athletes.
"A real tribute to both of these fighters for voluntarily agreeing to do it," Tygart said. "I think it speaks volumes for the importance of health and safety in a sport like boxing and just as importantly, for the integrity of the competition."
that makes me feel a bit better!!'For weeks, Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather have been met at all hours by strangers. They've been visited in their homes and in their gyms, voluntarily giving blood and urine aimed at ensuring both boxers enter the ring for Saturday's (Sunday NZ time) much-anticipated fight completely drug-free. Travis Tygart, chief executive of the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA), calls it a "gold standard program that meets best international standards." USADA is the independent agency overseeing drug-testing for the fight, using many of the same stringent practices and standards it applies to US Olympic athletes.
"A real tribute to both of these fighters for voluntarily agreeing to do it," Tygart said. "I think it speaks volumes for the importance of health and safety in a sport like boxing and just as importantly, for the integrity of the competition."
tuscaneer said:
lord trumpton said:
According to this article quote it appears that the testing has been equal.
'For weeks, Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather have been met at all hours by strangers. They've been visited in their homes and in their gyms, voluntarily giving blood and urine aimed at ensuring both boxers enter the ring for Saturday's (Sunday NZ time) much-anticipated fight completely drug-free. Travis Tygart, chief executive of the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA), calls it a "gold standard program that meets best international standards." USADA is the independent agency overseeing drug-testing for the fight, using many of the same stringent practices and standards it applies to US Olympic athletes.
"A real tribute to both of these fighters for voluntarily agreeing to do it," Tygart said. "I think it speaks volumes for the importance of health and safety in a sport like boxing and just as importantly, for the integrity of the competition."
that makes me feel a bit better!!'For weeks, Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather have been met at all hours by strangers. They've been visited in their homes and in their gyms, voluntarily giving blood and urine aimed at ensuring both boxers enter the ring for Saturday's (Sunday NZ time) much-anticipated fight completely drug-free. Travis Tygart, chief executive of the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA), calls it a "gold standard program that meets best international standards." USADA is the independent agency overseeing drug-testing for the fight, using many of the same stringent practices and standards it applies to US Olympic athletes.
"A real tribute to both of these fighters for voluntarily agreeing to do it," Tygart said. "I think it speaks volumes for the importance of health and safety in a sport like boxing and just as importantly, for the integrity of the competition."
Talking of dodgy urine samples and boxing did anyone see the pic on Provodnikov's instagram of his post fight sample after he lost to Matthysse? Jeeeesus, these fellas deserve every penny they earn, horrific.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/boxing-mma/rus...
http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/boxing-mma/rus...
FredClogs said:
Talking of dodgy urine samples and boxing did anyone see the pic on Provodnikov's instagram of his post fight sample after he lost to Matthysse? Jeeeesus, these fellas deserve every penny they earn, horrific.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/boxing-mma/rus...
Black urine?! Sounds like a St Patrick's Day I only have partial recollection of...!http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/boxing-mma/rus...
Can't remember wanting a fighter to win more than manny on saturday (well except as a kid hoping ali would beat holmes).
Mayweather retired for 2 years after fighting de la hoya.
The closest he has come to losing.
How convenient that de la hoya was basically finished by the time mayweather came back.
De la hoya in his prime would have beaten mayweather.
As for tyson - tyson stopped being tyson when he stopped the lateral side to side movement and became static.
I could never understand that he never went back to that way of fighting (as taught by his first trainer).
He never did it against ho,yfield or lewis etc.
He just became a walk forward slugger, and easy meat for bigger boxers.
Mayweather retired for 2 years after fighting de la hoya.
The closest he has come to losing.
How convenient that de la hoya was basically finished by the time mayweather came back.
De la hoya in his prime would have beaten mayweather.
As for tyson - tyson stopped being tyson when he stopped the lateral side to side movement and became static.
I could never understand that he never went back to that way of fighting (as taught by his first trainer).
He never did it against ho,yfield or lewis etc.
He just became a walk forward slugger, and easy meat for bigger boxers.
Edited by philv on Wednesday 29th April 23:39
I just cannot see Manny doing it. There is no recent form to suggest he can. He hasn't been great for several years and the knockouts have gone over the same period. If he is to pull it off I think it will have to be by early stoppage or Floyd will work him out and do what he has to do just the same as he has with everyone else.
I have to say, I don't agree with an awful lot of what is being said on here. In my eyes, if this was such a walk in the park for Mayweather, there would be no hype and nobody even bothering to purchase PPV for this.
Both guys bring something to the table that neither guy has seen before, that's what makes this intriguing. This fight has, and always has been split 60/40 in favour of Mayweather for me. The biggest concern for him is that he gets starched early if Pacquiao comes out swinging or he can't get his punches off as Pacquiao overwhelms him with his speed and blitzing combinations at awkward angles. The biggest concerns for Pacquiao is that laser right hand, falling into traps set by Mayweather and Floyd's controlling of the distance with his jab.
People talk about past form but Mayweather did not look great in the first Maidana fight. The relentless pressure he applied made it tough for Mayweather to adapt. Thankfully for him, Pacquiao doesn't fight with that kind of pressure as he doesn't smother his opponents, he darts in and out wi his amazing footwork.
Pacquiao looked sensational in his Algerie and Rios fights. He was looking on point against Marquez too before he got reckless and put to sleep.
These two guys are not in their primes but they are the two best fighters in the world today and I'm pretty bloody excited that this is finally happening.
Both guys bring something to the table that neither guy has seen before, that's what makes this intriguing. This fight has, and always has been split 60/40 in favour of Mayweather for me. The biggest concern for him is that he gets starched early if Pacquiao comes out swinging or he can't get his punches off as Pacquiao overwhelms him with his speed and blitzing combinations at awkward angles. The biggest concerns for Pacquiao is that laser right hand, falling into traps set by Mayweather and Floyd's controlling of the distance with his jab.
People talk about past form but Mayweather did not look great in the first Maidana fight. The relentless pressure he applied made it tough for Mayweather to adapt. Thankfully for him, Pacquiao doesn't fight with that kind of pressure as he doesn't smother his opponents, he darts in and out wi his amazing footwork.
Pacquiao looked sensational in his Algerie and Rios fights. He was looking on point against Marquez too before he got reckless and put to sleep.
These two guys are not in their primes but they are the two best fighters in the world today and I'm pretty bloody excited that this is finally happening.
Mayweather may be a great fighter, but still not sure how great.
He fought de la hoya when de la hoya was 6 years older and at rhe end of his carear.
Split decision but no rematch because mayweather retired.
Retiring also avoided manny at his best.
Mayweather gave maidana a rematch recently when tne first (previous) fight wasn't even close. Conveniently sidestepping Khan who has reach and speed.
I suppose he could have fought maidana 6 times n a row winning easily each ti e to get his 50-0. So have to be thankful for that.
Even Alvarez - one look at Alvarez fighting and it was obvious mayweather would win easily as Alvarez was so slow.
I see recent fights as showing picking and chosing very carefully.
If paqman can still keep tne pace going for 12 rounds i see him winning on points.
Howether, even in this fight, entering tne ring, mayweather will have a significant weight advantage as he is tne naturally bigger guy. So ik ko i reckon mayweather wins.
He fought de la hoya when de la hoya was 6 years older and at rhe end of his carear.
Split decision but no rematch because mayweather retired.
Retiring also avoided manny at his best.
Mayweather gave maidana a rematch recently when tne first (previous) fight wasn't even close. Conveniently sidestepping Khan who has reach and speed.
I suppose he could have fought maidana 6 times n a row winning easily each ti e to get his 50-0. So have to be thankful for that.
Even Alvarez - one look at Alvarez fighting and it was obvious mayweather would win easily as Alvarez was so slow.
I see recent fights as showing picking and chosing very carefully.
If paqman can still keep tne pace going for 12 rounds i see him winning on points.
Howether, even in this fight, entering tne ring, mayweather will have a significant weight advantage as he is tne naturally bigger guy. So ik ko i reckon mayweather wins.
Edited by philv on Thursday 30th April 12:22
philv said:
Mayweather may be a great fighter, but still not sure how great.
He fought de la hoya when de la hoya was 6 years older and at rhe end of his carear.
Split decision but no rematch because mayweather retired.
Retiring also avoided manny at his best.
Mayweather gave maidana a rematch recently when tne first (previous) fight wasn't even close. Conveniently sidestepping Khan who has reach and speed.
I suppose he could have fought maidana y 6 times n a row winning easily each ti e to get his 50-0. So have to be thankful for that.
Even Alvarez - one look at Alarez fighting and it was obvious mayweather would win easily as Alvarez was so slow.
I see re ent fights as showing picking and chosing very carefully.
Just to counter a few of them points. He fought de la hoya when de la hoya was 6 years older and at rhe end of his carear.
Split decision but no rematch because mayweather retired.
Retiring also avoided manny at his best.
Mayweather gave maidana a rematch recently when tne first (previous) fight wasn't even close. Conveniently sidestepping Khan who has reach and speed.
I suppose he could have fought maidana y 6 times n a row winning easily each ti e to get his 50-0. So have to be thankful for that.
Even Alvarez - one look at Alarez fighting and it was obvious mayweather would win easily as Alvarez was so slow.
I see re ent fights as showing picking and chosing very carefully.
Dela Hoya was the man at 154 and had been for some time. He wasn't getting beat up or dominated by people and mayweather made every concession to get the fight made (gloves, ring size, judges, venue, etc..). He also called Dela Hoya (and Mosely!) out for years when he was fighting at the lower weights but neither of them wanted the fight as it was too much risk for too little reward. What people seem to overlook is that Pacquiao dragged Dela Hoya down to a weight he hadn't fought at for donkey's years and he was so badly dehydrated that he had to take an IV drip before the fight.
He clearly won the fight against Dela Hoya. It was close in places but he dominated the last 6 rounds. Dela Hoya was just throwing combos that were being caught on the shoulders and forearms.
Yes Mayweather did retire. In his shoes I would rematched him and won another record payday. No excuses from me for not fighting him again.
Khan would be a walk in the park for Mayweather. He just isn't good enough. Sorry!
Everyone man and their dog was saying that Canelo would take Mayweather apart and only after he dominated him did people label him as one dimensional or slow. He's a great fighter but sadly not as good as Mayweather. Should Canelo ever step in the ring with GGG, he's getting beaten badly.
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