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Anyone think Gavin has a chance against Brook?
On the Khan front, he seems like the ideal opponent for Mayweather, he's credible but not too dangerous. Who else is there for Mayweather? He's certainly not going to call out GGG is he.
And to finish on a controversial prediction, Joshua gasses by round 8 and ends up being knocked down.
On the Khan front, he seems like the ideal opponent for Mayweather, he's credible but not too dangerous. Who else is there for Mayweather? He's certainly not going to call out GGG is he.
And to finish on a controversial prediction, Joshua gasses by round 8 and ends up being knocked down.
Edited by Fittster on Saturday 30th May 20:34
So where next for Joshua? I honestly don't know who is going to want to get in the ring with him at the moment. For the guys waiting for Wlad, he's too much of a risk and the likes of Chisora (who I think he will fight next), he's not beatable.
I can imagine a great fight between Joshua and Wilder in a couple of years. I think Fury will say Joshua isn't a big enough name for him yet, and I don't know enough about the guys from the eastern European countries to rate them.
I'd like to see Chisora in July and Jennings in September.
I can imagine a great fight between Joshua and Wilder in a couple of years. I think Fury will say Joshua isn't a big enough name for him yet, and I don't know enough about the guys from the eastern European countries to rate them.
I'd like to see Chisora in July and Jennings in September.
lerate said:
FWIW,I rate Brook above Khan (and streets ahead of Naz).
Based on what exactly? He's fought one credible fighter in his entire career (Porter) and hardly blew him away.
Based on his record and my opinion of his boxing abilities. I think you do Brook a disservice regarding the quality of his opponents. Khan may have more eye catching names on his record but they include fighters who were at or near the end of their careers when he fought them , notably powder puff Malinaggi, Judah and Barrera. When upped in class, things get much harder and his limitations are highlighted. Opinions make the world go round so let's see what happens if they fight. I precict a stoppage by Brook.Based on what exactly? He's fought one credible fighter in his entire career (Porter) and hardly blew him away.
Edited by 9mm on Sunday 31st May 11:30
tuscaneer said:
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king love floyd senior....absolutely mental. my favourite encounter was when he sparred that loony kid charlie zelanoff who went on to get battered by wilder. charlie tried to sucker punch him so floyd absolutely ttted him.....and he's about 60 years old!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=attBsL3VnJc
The old guy is 60?king love floyd senior....absolutely mental. my favourite encounter was when he sparred that loony kid charlie zelanoff who went on to get battered by wilder. charlie tried to sucker punch him so floyd absolutely ttted him.....and he's about 60 years old!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=attBsL3VnJc
Good performance by Brook, looked like he was hurting him everytime. A step up in class of opponent needed for his next fight, Gavin was clearly a stop gap anyway as the Khan fight didn't come off. Would like to see him fight Alexander or Bradley next which would be a very good yard stick to see if he can mix it right at the top of the division. Would also get him some exposure in the USA which he clearly needs before he can start thinking of big money fights in Vegas.
Joshua fight was interesting, surely a future world champion in the making provided they look after him properly both in and out of the ring. Just wonder if his camp will be a tiny bit upset that the fight didn't go on longer? Good that he ko'd an opponent early on who has never been ko'd before as it certainly shows ability and makes the headlines. However,nobody has found out if he'll end up gassed after 9 rounds yet so there is still a bit of learning to be done and tougher fights to come where this will be tested.
A fight against Price could be interesting as not so long ago he was on the path to a championship and got derailed by a punch to the ear and got thrown into a rematch way too soon which knakered his record. Seems to be back on track with his new team though although I'd be inclined to say that AJ will throw a much more hurtful punch than Tony Thompson could.
Joshua fight was interesting, surely a future world champion in the making provided they look after him properly both in and out of the ring. Just wonder if his camp will be a tiny bit upset that the fight didn't go on longer? Good that he ko'd an opponent early on who has never been ko'd before as it certainly shows ability and makes the headlines. However,nobody has found out if he'll end up gassed after 9 rounds yet so there is still a bit of learning to be done and tougher fights to come where this will be tested.
A fight against Price could be interesting as not so long ago he was on the path to a championship and got derailed by a punch to the ear and got thrown into a rematch way too soon which knakered his record. Seems to be back on track with his new team though although I'd be inclined to say that AJ will throw a much more hurtful punch than Tony Thompson could.
I missed last nights fights in the end, I'm not going to pay for a repeat now I'll wait until they're free somewhere but I'm well please for lee Selby and well gutted for Kevin Mitchel. Selby seems to have been overlooked by the mainstream media but I think he could be a champion for many years his skill level is near unmatched in my opinion. Joshua needs to step up, the bbc reported reports of rumours he's to meet some London heavyweight who beat him as an amateur, the name escapes me, I hope the big names on the world stage don't try to dodge him. Kell brook vs khan has to happen before either one looses.
9mm said:
Based on his record and my opinion of his boxing abilities. I think you do Brook a disservice regarding the quality of his opponents. Khan may have more eye catching names on his record but they include fighters who were at or near the end of their careers when he fought them , notably powder puff Malinaggi, Judah and Barrera. When upped in class, things get much harder and his limitations are highlighted. Opinions make the world go round so let's see what happens if they fight. I precict a stoppage by Brook.
LOLEdited by 9mm on Sunday 31st May 11:30
Your opinion is laughable as it doesn't make any sense or hold any weight.
Apart from Porter, who else has Kell fought that is a known boxer?
When can you say if a boxer is at the end of his career, is it by age? Barrera was 34 (I think) when he fought Khan. Just for ref, Marquez is coming on 40 and still fighting. He fought Maidana when he was 27.
I'm not a all out Khan fan but countering your claims.
You think Brook will beat Khan, fair enough, but to say Brook's opponents aren't as bad as they look and Khan's have all been over the hill is just plain stupid and utter crap.
It was really interesting to see that after Brook won yesterday, neither did Hearn or Brook once mention chasing a fight with Floyd; you'd think this is the fight they would want more than anything because they have the belt and unbeaten record to make it happen. To me, that really says it all.
Just reading that Brandon Rios is likely the next opponent for Brook - not quite the big name they keep on promising.
FredClogs said:
I'm well please for lee Selby and well gutted for Kevin Mitchel.
Exactly my thoughts, thought Lee was outstanding, class performance.Kevin was really unlucky, I really throught he'd do it until the eye starting bolloning up, soon as this happened I just knew the fight would be stopped. Real shame . . . .
MitchmachineUAE said:
Good performance by Brook, looked like he was hurting him everytime. A step up in class of opponent needed for his next fight, Gavin was clearly a stop gap anyway as the Khan fight didn't come off. Would like to see him fight Alexander or Bradley next which would be a very good yard stick to see if he can mix it right at the top of the division. Would also get him some exposure in the USA which he clearly needs before he can start thinking of big money fights in Vegas.
Joshua fight was interesting, surely a future world champion in the making provided they look after him properly both in and out of the ring. Just wonder if his camp will be a tiny bit upset that the fight didn't go on longer? Good that he ko'd an opponent early on who has never been ko'd before as it certainly shows ability and makes the headlines. However,nobody has found out if he'll end up gassed after 9 rounds yet so there is still a bit of learning to be done and tougher fights to come where this will be tested.
A fight against Price could be interesting as not so long ago he was on the path to a championship and got derailed by a punch to the ear and got thrown into a rematch way too soon which knakered his record. Seems to be back on track with his new team though although I'd be inclined to say that AJ will throw a much more hurtful punch than Tony Thompson could.
Good post but i have to disagree about Brook facing Bradley. I doubt Khan or Brook would get very far. Brook may improve & be able to take Bradleys attacks but I doubt Khans chin would be safe with Bradely going at him ever.Joshua fight was interesting, surely a future world champion in the making provided they look after him properly both in and out of the ring. Just wonder if his camp will be a tiny bit upset that the fight didn't go on longer? Good that he ko'd an opponent early on who has never been ko'd before as it certainly shows ability and makes the headlines. However,nobody has found out if he'll end up gassed after 9 rounds yet so there is still a bit of learning to be done and tougher fights to come where this will be tested.
A fight against Price could be interesting as not so long ago he was on the path to a championship and got derailed by a punch to the ear and got thrown into a rematch way too soon which knakered his record. Seems to be back on track with his new team though although I'd be inclined to say that AJ will throw a much more hurtful punch than Tony Thompson could.
SR7492 said:
9mm said:
Based on his record and my opinion of his boxing abilities. I think you do Brook a disservice regarding the quality of his opponents. Khan may have more eye catching names on his record but they include fighters who were at or near the end of their careers when he fought them , notably powder puff Malinaggi, Judah and Barrera. When upped in class, things get much harder and his limitations are highlighted. Opinions make the world go round so let's see what happens if they fight. I precict a stoppage by Brook.
LOLEdited by 9mm on Sunday 31st May 11:30
Your opinion is laughable as it doesn't make any sense or hold any weight.
Apart from Porter, who else has Kell fought that is a known boxer?
When can you say if a boxer is at the end of his career, is it by age? Barrera was 34 (I think) when he fought Khan. Just for ref, Marquez is coming on 40 and still fighting. He fought Maidana when he was 27.
I'm not a all out Khan fan but countering your claims.
You think Brook will beat Khan, fair enough, but to say Brook's opponents aren't as bad as they look and Khan's have all been over the hill is just plain stupid and utter crap.
It was really interesting to see that after Brook won yesterday, neither did Hearn or Brook once mention chasing a fight with Floyd; you'd think this is the fight they would want more than anything because they have the belt and unbeaten record to make it happen. To me, that really says it all.
Just reading that Brandon Rios is likely the next opponent for Brook - not quite the big name they keep on promising.
Senchenko, Ndou, Hatton, Jennings and Lomax (I suppose add Gavin although he has been going backwards for years) are the chief names on Brook's record. I have already stated that Khan has the bigger names on his record. He also has the banana skins.
I think I'll wait for the fight, Khan getting stopped and then one of us needing to hear any more about him.
I suppose Floyd could beat him up first though and then we'll get endless crap about he is Floyd's natural successor.
I'm not interested in a childish slanging match - so let's keep the discussion to fact based discussion please.
SR7492 said:
9mm said:
Based on his record and my opinion of his boxing abilities. I think you do Brook a disservice regarding the quality of his opponents. Khan may have more eye catching names on his record but they include fighters who were at or near the end of their careers when he fought them , notably powder puff Malinaggi, Judah and Barrera. When upped in class, things get much harder and his limitations are highlighted. Opinions make the world go round so let's see what happens if they fight. I precict a stoppage by Brook.
LOLEdited by 9mm on Sunday 31st May 11:30
Your opinion is laughable as it doesn't make any sense or hold any weight.
Apart from Porter, who else has Kell fought that is a known boxer?
When can you say if a boxer is at the end of his career, is it by age? Barrera was 34 (I think) when he fought Khan. Just for ref, Marquez is coming on 40 and still fighting. He fought Maidana when he was 27.
I'm not a all out Khan fan but countering your claims.
You think Brook will beat Khan, fair enough, but to say Brook's opponents aren't as bad as they look and Khan's have all been over the hill is just plain stupid and utter crap.
It was really interesting to see that after Brook won yesterday, neither did Hearn or Brook once mention chasing a fight with Floyd; you'd think this is the fight they would want more than anything because they have the belt and unbeaten record to make it happen. To me, that really says it all.
Just reading that Brandon Rios is likely the next opponent for Brook - not quite the big name they keep on promising.
Senchenko, Ndou, Hatton, Jennings and Lomax (I suppose add Gavin although he has been going backwards for years) are the chief names on Brook's record. I have already stated that Khan has the bigger names on his record. He also has the banana skins.
I think I'll wait for the fight, Khan getting stopped and then none of us needing to hear any more about him.
I suppose Floyd could beat him up first though and then we'll get endless crap about he is Floyd's natural successor.
I'm not interested in a childish slanging match - so let's keep the discussion to fact based discussion please.
Edited by 9mm on Sunday 31st May 22:11
Going back to AK...he's one of those sportsmen that never quite cash the cheques that their egos write.
Fast hands, quite powerful but seems to have a chin that lets him down.
Blokes in general can be ranked in their hardness as a fighter just by how they look. A real fighter or hardman is hard from within. Its the mental instinct. They have an air about them. No matter how a bloke trains, lifts weights, punches bags...it will never give them that killer instinct. Imho kahn has never had that.
Fast hands, quite powerful but seems to have a chin that lets him down.
Blokes in general can be ranked in their hardness as a fighter just by how they look. A real fighter or hardman is hard from within. Its the mental instinct. They have an air about them. No matter how a bloke trains, lifts weights, punches bags...it will never give them that killer instinct. Imho kahn has never had that.
lord trumpton said:
Going back to AK...he's one of those sportsmen that never quite cash the cheques that their egos write.
Fast hands, quite powerful but seems to have a chin that lets him down.
Blokes in general can be ranked in their hardness as a fighter just by how they look. A real fighter or hardman is hard from within. Its the mental instinct. They have an air about them. No matter how a bloke trains, lifts weights, punches bags...it will never give them that killer instinct. Imho kahn has never had that.
Well, as that's a subjective opinion, if that's what you feel, then so be it. However, it strikes me that arguably the key failing of Khan has been his instinct to carry on engaging and firing back when he has been tagged, rather than covering up or having it away on his toes until he's regrouped.Fast hands, quite powerful but seems to have a chin that lets him down.
Blokes in general can be ranked in their hardness as a fighter just by how they look. A real fighter or hardman is hard from within. Its the mental instinct. They have an air about them. No matter how a bloke trains, lifts weights, punches bags...it will never give them that killer instinct. Imho kahn has never had that.
Now, I don't know exactly what you mean by 'hardness'; I guess it comes in different forms and guises anyway. But if it includes attributes such as bravery, resolve, endurance and fortitude, have another look at the 10th round against Maidana. And that's not the only 'gut-check' he's had in his career either...
FredClogs said:
Joshua needs to step up, the bbc reported reports of rumours he's to meet some London heavyweight who beat him as an amateur, the name escapes me, I hope the big names on the world stage don't try to dodge him.
Dillian Whyte? There's a video of them as very raw amateurs fighting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDSH8cXtFRQ
Don't see any value in that fight besides point settling. Whyte has done nothing of note since turning pro
It's difficult to come up with an ideal opponent for Joshua, his got so little experience you don't want to throw him in with anybody a the top of the pack but his power seems to overwhelm the usual suspects they can't give him the rounds he needs.
David Price was smashing all of his early opponents in the same way Joshua is today, he was thrown in possibly to early in his career against a real contender (at the time), lost and his career has never recovered.
Trying to think of an opponent who has the skills to deal with Joshua's power but probably doesn't have the power to cause him serious trouble I come up with David Haye. Very good skills should allow him to keep away from Joshua's power punches but as a cruiser weight doesn't have the power to trouble a decent heavyweight. Looking at recent headlines he would have money problems which might tempt his to take on Joshua.
Yiliterate said:
lord trumpton said:
Going back to AK...he's one of those sportsmen that never quite cash the cheques that their egos write.
Fast hands, quite powerful but seems to have a chin that lets him down.
Blokes in general can be ranked in their hardness as a fighter just by how they look. A real fighter or hardman is hard from within. Its the mental instinct. They have an air about them. No matter how a bloke trains, lifts weights, punches bags...it will never give them that killer instinct. Imho kahn has never had that.
Well, as that's a subjective opinion, if that's what you feel, then so be it. However, it strikes me that arguably the key failing of Khan has been his instinct to carry on engaging and firing back when he has been tagged, rather than covering up or having it away on his toes until he's regrouped.Fast hands, quite powerful but seems to have a chin that lets him down.
Blokes in general can be ranked in their hardness as a fighter just by how they look. A real fighter or hardman is hard from within. Its the mental instinct. They have an air about them. No matter how a bloke trains, lifts weights, punches bags...it will never give them that killer instinct. Imho kahn has never had that.
Now, I don't know exactly what you mean by 'hardness'; I guess it comes in different forms and guises anyway. But if it includes attributes such as bravery, resolve, endurance and fortitude, have another look at the 10th round against Maidana. And that's not the only 'gut-check' he's had in his career either...
For example, why hasn't Kahn faced Breidis again? I know it does not help his quest to break into the top money fights but if it were me I would have to face him again for an attempt at retribution. He wont face him because he's a knockout man and Kahn does not have a good chin. Kahn will be one of the best boxers to nearly make it big. He's just an over hyped lad from Bolton.
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