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PanzerCommander said:
I spent most of the game wondering if Eminem was going to start singing "Would the real Denver Bronco's please stand up" after that great season they fell at the first hurdle and other than that sing touchdown drive just didn't get back into it. I know the Seahawks defence is strong, but christ I wasn't expecting that sort of pummelling.
To be fair, the Seahawks played a bloody good game. Both offence, defence and special teams.
PanzerCommander said:
I spent most of the game wondering if Eminem was going to start singing "Would the real Denver Bronco's please stand up" after that great season they fell at the first hurdle and other than that sing touchdown drive just didn't get back into it. I know the Seahawks defence is strong, but christ I wasn't expecting that sort of pummelling.
The thing is that was Denver...that Denver defense is just downright scary when they play flat out. For the regular season, especially on the defensive side of the ball, they are just trying to stay healthy and win enough games to qualify for the post season in the best spot possible.
It's only really when they reach the "win or go home" games that they are all 100%.
That Seattle defense is very deep and matches up size wise at every position. Also they are able to get pressure on the QB by only rushing 4.
There is a question of if this is defense is up there with the '85 Bears as the greatest defense ever. Now I didn't see them play and have only seen highlights etc but I think Seattle must be right up there (or maybe even better?).
IMHO The ONLY good thing about the Superbowl was this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQB7QRyF4p4
Erm.......Getting kinda dusty in here!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQB7QRyF4p4
Erm.......Getting kinda dusty in here!
y2blade said:
IMHO The ONLY good thing about the Superbowl was this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQB7QRyF4p4
Erm.......Getting kinda dusty in here!
That was a good ad...as was the Bud Light ad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQB7QRyF4p4
Erm.......Getting kinda dusty in here!
I must be missing something with the NFL. I accept its a great spectacle, some of the guys are fast runners, some very strong, some pretty agile. BUT! And I say this as a casual watcher, is it that skilful? A lot of the big guys are pretty fat, there's not much flow to the game, do many of the plays actually pan out as expected. Clearly there's something that stops a Rugby League player or Aussie rules player making the grade ( as an example) but what is it about the game that I'm not seeing?
Thankyou4calling said:
I must be missing something with the NFL. I accept its a great spectacle, some of the guys are fast runners, some very strong, some pretty agile. BUT! And I say this as a casual watcher, is it that skilful? A lot of the big guys are pretty fat, there's not much flow to the game, do many of the plays actually pan out as expected. Clearly there's something that stops a Rugby League player or Aussie rules player making the grade ( as an example) but what is it about the game that I'm not seeing?
It's one of those sports that you only really appreciate the intricacies of when you understand it more, and the more you see the better you understand. Beyond seeing a great throw / catch / run anyway. Watch a bit more and you'll start to pick up on stuff like adjustments just before the snap and the effect they have etc. Skill is a huge part of it, just as much - if not more - than rugby. The guys who make it into the NFL come from a much larger pond of athletes that really have to stand out to be counted, so it's rare someone really awful gets far - if they look awful it's often a case that they're not a great fit for the team because of the way they play. Not many truly awful players there, many that need work of course. Well, aside of the Bears, all Bears players are rubbish.
Sometimes the plays go as planned, sometimes they don't, it depends entirely on how the opposition reacts - think of it like chess, where you're thinking about what they might do, and trying to predict reactions, bluffs, double bluffs, adjustments, fakes etc. Sometimes plays are all about deception and giving the impression you're doing something else, others it's about just using muscle and speed. Every player has a job to do at every play. The fatties generally have very good fitness for their size, but they're there to act as brick walls, and do it very well. Running backs and WRs are very fast and athletic, but they'd be rubbish at holding off a couple of linebackers that are trying to burst through.
Stu R said:
It's one of those sports that you only really appreciate the intricacies of when you understand it more, and the more you see the better you understand. Beyond seeing a great throw / catch / run anyway.
Watch a bit more and you'll start to pick up on stuff like adjustments just before the snap and the effect they have etc. Skill is a huge part of it, just as much - if not more - than rugby. The guys who make it into the NFL come from a much larger pond of athletes that really have to stand out to be counted, so it's rare someone really awful gets far - if they look awful it's often a case that they're not a great fit for the team because of the way they play. Not many truly awful players there, many that need work of course. Well, aside of the Bears, all Bears players are rubbish.
Sometimes the plays go as planned, sometimes they don't, it depends entirely on how the opposition reacts - think of it like chess, where you're thinking about what they might do, and trying to predict reactions, bluffs, double bluffs, adjustments, fakes etc. Sometimes plays are all about deception and giving the impression you're doing something else, others it's about just using muscle and speed. Every player has a job to do at every play. The fatties generally have very good fitness for their size, but they're there to act as brick walls, and do it very well. Running backs and WRs are very fast and athletic, but they'd be rubbish at holding off a couple of linebackers that are trying to burst through.
Thanks. Appreciate that. Could a decent Rugby back make the grade as a WR? What would be the major obstacles?Watch a bit more and you'll start to pick up on stuff like adjustments just before the snap and the effect they have etc. Skill is a huge part of it, just as much - if not more - than rugby. The guys who make it into the NFL come from a much larger pond of athletes that really have to stand out to be counted, so it's rare someone really awful gets far - if they look awful it's often a case that they're not a great fit for the team because of the way they play. Not many truly awful players there, many that need work of course. Well, aside of the Bears, all Bears players are rubbish.
Sometimes the plays go as planned, sometimes they don't, it depends entirely on how the opposition reacts - think of it like chess, where you're thinking about what they might do, and trying to predict reactions, bluffs, double bluffs, adjustments, fakes etc. Sometimes plays are all about deception and giving the impression you're doing something else, others it's about just using muscle and speed. Every player has a job to do at every play. The fatties generally have very good fitness for their size, but they're there to act as brick walls, and do it very well. Running backs and WRs are very fast and athletic, but they'd be rubbish at holding off a couple of linebackers that are trying to burst through.
Thankyou4calling said:
Thanks. Appreciate that. Could a decent Rugby back make the grade as a WR? What would be the major obstacles?
Carlin Isles is about to find out! http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/1/26/5348410/carl...No reason their skills can't translate that I can think of, if they're fast, agile and catch they're probably in with a good chance of getting a work-out. Whether they can compete with NFL prospects that have been training since they were in short pants remains to be seen I suppose. I'd guess the biggest barrier to entry is getting recognised by an NFL team, but as they're always looking for something different.
I guess it's also possible you may see more recruiting from outside of traditional football backgrounds - some current players also have college backgrounds in other sports that might help them in NFL - Russell Wilson springs to mind.
Stu R said:
Thankyou4calling said:
Thanks. Appreciate that. Could a decent Rugby back make the grade as a WR? What would be the major obstacles?
Carlin Isles is about to find out! http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/1/26/5348410/carl...No reason their skills can't translate that I can think of, if they're fast, agile and catch they're probably in with a good chance of getting a work-out. Whether they can compete with NFL prospects that have been training since they were in short pants remains to be seen I suppose. I'd guess the biggest barrier to entry is getting recognised by an NFL team, but as they're always looking for something different.
I guess it's also possible you may see more recruiting from outside of traditional football backgrounds - some current players also have college backgrounds in other sports that might help them in NFL - Russell Wilson springs to mind.
Thankyou4calling said:
Stu R said:
It's one of those sports that you only really appreciate the intricacies of when you understand it more, and the more you see the better you understand. Beyond seeing a great throw / catch / run anyway.
Watch a bit more and you'll start to pick up on stuff like adjustments just before the snap and the effect they have etc. Skill is a huge part of it, just as much - if not more - than rugby. The guys who make it into the NFL come from a much larger pond of athletes that really have to stand out to be counted, so it's rare someone really awful gets far - if they look awful it's often a case that they're not a great fit for the team because of the way they play. Not many truly awful players there, many that need work of course. Well, aside of the Bears, all Bears players are rubbish.
Sometimes the plays go as planned, sometimes they don't, it depends entirely on how the opposition reacts - think of it like chess, where you're thinking about what they might do, and trying to predict reactions, bluffs, double bluffs, adjustments, fakes etc. Sometimes plays are all about deception and giving the impression you're doing something else, others it's about just using muscle and speed. Every player has a job to do at every play. The fatties generally have very good fitness for their size, but they're there to act as brick walls, and do it very well. Running backs and WRs are very fast and athletic, but they'd be rubbish at holding off a couple of linebackers that are trying to burst through.
Thanks. Appreciate that. Could a decent Rugby back make the grade as a WR? What would be the major obstacles?Watch a bit more and you'll start to pick up on stuff like adjustments just before the snap and the effect they have etc. Skill is a huge part of it, just as much - if not more - than rugby. The guys who make it into the NFL come from a much larger pond of athletes that really have to stand out to be counted, so it's rare someone really awful gets far - if they look awful it's often a case that they're not a great fit for the team because of the way they play. Not many truly awful players there, many that need work of course. Well, aside of the Bears, all Bears players are rubbish.
Sometimes the plays go as planned, sometimes they don't, it depends entirely on how the opposition reacts - think of it like chess, where you're thinking about what they might do, and trying to predict reactions, bluffs, double bluffs, adjustments, fakes etc. Sometimes plays are all about deception and giving the impression you're doing something else, others it's about just using muscle and speed. Every player has a job to do at every play. The fatties generally have very good fitness for their size, but they're there to act as brick walls, and do it very well. Running backs and WRs are very fast and athletic, but they'd be rubbish at holding off a couple of linebackers that are trying to burst through.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/105286...
http://www.foxsports.com.au/other-sports/kenyan-ru...
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10195567/carlin-...
it is a very, very 'skill based' game, with each player having to have excellent technical skills/knowledge relevant to his position as well as physical gifts (even the heaviest can usually sprint 40 yards faster than almost anyone this side of elite club or national level sprinters) and the Playbooks are mind numbingly complex. The ability to remember and position according to the calls from these, then to readjust on the hoof when the opposition movements (with split seconds to react to some) show you need to is so, so hard.
Like chess with violence.
g4ry13 said:
From my understanding, there are defense plays as well as offense (obviously). How the hell do you decide to know which defensive play to make when you don't know what offensive play your opponent is going to make? 
Exactly The defensive plays are somewhat simpler...but they will make calls depending on the personnel that the offense brings on the field and the type of defense they want to play (in very general terms "man" or "zone" coverage or a combination).
The players themselves will then have to react to whether it's a run or a pass on the fly.
It's obviously a lot more complex than that but if you look at that link I posted earlier about the Seattle defense you can get a general feel for what they do.
g4ry13 said:
From my understanding, there are defense plays as well as offense (obviously). How the hell do you decide to know which defensive play to make when you don't know what offensive play your opponent is going to make?
D's aren't as planned and orchestrated, they need to be able to adjust on the fly and react at the snap. Statistics play a big part too - they'll have studied hours of tape to know what the opposing team is more likely to do and when, but it's never certain.
Thankyou4calling said:
I must be missing something with the NFL. I accept its a great spectacle, some of the guys are fast runners, some very strong, some pretty agile. BUT! And I say this as a casual watcher, is it that skilful? A lot of the big guys are pretty fat, there's not much flow to the game, do many of the plays actually pan out as expected. Clearly there's something that stops a Rugby League player or Aussie rules player making the grade ( as an example) but what is it about the game that I'm not seeing?
I don't know if you were watching on Sky or C4 but on the Sky coverage they have an ex coach, Jeff Reinebold, that has of late been doing Coaches Corner, he is really good at explaining the plays and how the offensive and defensive sides work. Sadly there isn't a lot of that on YouTube.Anyone been following the developments in free agency?
I'm a Raiders fan and really pleased with what Mckenzie has been doing, allows us to select the best player available in the draft which is hopefully a playmaking WR in the first round (possibly trading down for an extra round 2 pick) and developmental QB in the second.
Also like some of the moves made by the Broncos and the Colts. Pats def. need to bring in some weapons for Brady this season (can't just rely on Edelman again) and I don't really understand the move of losing Talib and bringing in Revis.
I'm a Raiders fan and really pleased with what Mckenzie has been doing, allows us to select the best player available in the draft which is hopefully a playmaking WR in the first round (possibly trading down for an extra round 2 pick) and developmental QB in the second.
Also like some of the moves made by the Broncos and the Colts. Pats def. need to bring in some weapons for Brady this season (can't just rely on Edelman again) and I don't really understand the move of losing Talib and bringing in Revis.
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