Discussion
TKF said:
yellowjack said:
It's the challenge to my integrity that I object to. Strenuously.
Maybe get a grip? It's only pixels on a website.What I object to is someone, after nearly six months have passed, deciding they don't like the data, or the fact that I've ridden a short stretch of tarmac faster than they have, to the extent that they call me out as a liar. I've built my life on honesty and integrity, and whilst I'll happily accept that someone might think I'm a sad lad, or not be impressed with a minor 'achievement' on Strava, I will not accept an unjustified accusation of lying.
After settling it (as far as I'm concerned) with a "trust me, the data's fine" reply, I'm half expecting it to be flagged as dangerous now. There seem to be a significant minority of "toys out of the pram" types infesting Strava, people who create endless segments where segments already exist, and who, upon realising they will never be fastest, will take away others' achievements by labeling the segment as dangerous.
Last year, I did set out to capture a few KOMs, because I wanted to have held one, even if it were just briefly. I didn't expect them to stand, and I'm happy to lose the four I still have if it's done fair and square. It's these "flaggers" who are the ones in need of 'getting a grip', if you ask me. To me, it's just a bit of a giggle, a means of recording my data more accurately than the old diary method, and a chance to test myself against me. I'm very pleased that yellowjack Jr has gained his first KOM, even at my expense.
As pablo and G0ldfysh asked about the route and road type, it's a good tarmac road, without a footpath, that runs between the back gate of the Royal Engineers training barracks, and the nearby 'bridging hard' (lakeside training facility). It involves no turns or junctions on the segment itself, and the road is a dead end, used only by military vehicles, dog walkers, and members of the local sailing club, so is very quiet, almost traffic free.
I've just logged on again, and it's showing as 'flagged' again.
Oh, and thanks to PHer Andy Hollingdale, who has given me kudos on that ride as a result of this nonsense. Cheers!
TKF said:
yellowjack said:
There seem to be a significant minority of "toys out of the pram" types infesting Strava
IronicSeriously, stop ranting, sit down, chill out and have a cuppa.
I've just had a cuppa, and when I got back to the computer, it turns out that whoever it is that I appear to have upset has maliciously 'flagged' the activities for the other three KOMs I had.
If it's a wind up, it would be funny if it were someone I actually knew, and then only if they backed off once I'd dismissed those 'flags'.
It is getting silly now. And also very suspicious that only my KOM "winning" activities have been targeted. I've requested support, for the first one, so maybe Strava themselves can knock this nonsense on the head. I don't 'need' these KOMs, and really don't care about them all that much. It really is more about defending my honour. If these achievements were beaten fairly, I'd not give a monkey's. The fact that some anonymous Muppet can hide behind his keyboard and call my integrity into question is what is bothering me.
If whoever it is that's doing this is prepared to wait until I've recovered properly from my broken shoulder blade, I'd be more than happy to go head to head in a closed road 'race' at the Eelmoor driver training circuit. Just so we can put the matter to bed, you understand
TKF said:
Niki Terpstra's winning ride
http://www.strava.com/activities/130432764
I love how he clearly didn't just sit up in the velodrome
Professional athlete and all that, but bloody hell that's impressive.http://www.strava.com/activities/130432764
I love how he clearly didn't just sit up in the velodrome
k me. Really?ferrisbueller said:
Professional athlete and all that, but bloody hell that's impressive.
If you havent seen it, this is a good video with behind the scenes footage from the team car.https://road.cc/content/news/117122-video-follow-o...
yellowjack - the guy who's flagged your ride probably took exception to TBH a slow rider targeting a crap and pointless segment, that judging by your position on the leader boards for other segments almost certainly no-one else has ever put any effort in to. Sorry to be so blunt but it's really not worth getting all stressed about, and you can't ever 'win' a dispute like this.
Rouleur said:
yellowjack - the guy who's flagged your ride probably took exception to TBH a slow rider targeting a crap and pointless segment, that judging by your position on the leader boards for other segments almost certainly no-one else has ever put any effort in to. Sorry to be so blunt but it's really not worth getting all stressed about, and you can't ever 'win' a dispute like this.
Right. I get what you are saying, Rouleur, but even if it is a "crap and pointless segment, it meant enough to someone to create it in the first place. Oh, and yes, by the standards of many on here, I'm a "slow rider". And yes, I have 'targeted' a small number of local segments in the past, leading to half a dozen KOMs.
Just because there aren't hundreds of people riding them thousands of times, doesn't necessarily mean that these segments are not competitive though, and the fact that someone has resorted to 'flagging' the segments surely suggests that they mean something to someone?
There's no need to apologise for being blunt, I'm under no illusion as to my ability (or lack thereof), and I'm certainly not stressed over it. More than anything I'm frustrated, because I haven't been physically fit enough to ride at all since the start of February, and now, while I'm out of the game, instead of riding faster, this gimp is trying to lock out my (small) achievements. It's just not "in the spirit of sport", is it? It'd be like me flagging Box Hill as a hazardous segment, simply because I'm never going to top it's leaderboard.
Look, I know this seems childish, getting hung up about someone else's inadequacies, but all through my military career, my integrity was without question. Now, deliberately, and on four separate activities, my honesty has been called into question. I can't help thinking that those who don't believe honour is worth defending don't actually understand the concept, which, perversely, tells me all I need to know about the mindset of "The Phantom Segment Flagger of Old Hawley Woods".
I'll say it again, one last time, for those that are hard of thinking - "It's not about the KOMs, or about losing them fair and square. It is very much about the underhand and cowardly tactics of the
that is abusing his anonymity to question my integrity. And that very much DOES matter". And that, for fear of boring everyone, should be my last on the subject.
yellowjack said:
Just had this ride... http://www.strava.com/activities/91629061/analysis ..."flagged"
Can anyone have a quick look and give me some idea why it may have attracted such attention?
A quick look at it doesn't reveal anything obviously out of place. I'll admit that the KOM bit was a deliberate 'hunt', but I wrapped it up in a 'proper' ride that I was planning anyway, and I wasn't aware of a "no segment snatching" rule anyway???
I hit "request support review" as the option to sort it, but kept getting "There was an unexpected error requesting support. Please try again." as the repeated reply.
This...
"Seriously? I need to explain that?
Take a look at the trace, and ask yourself which part it's being flagged for. I can't see it. I'd pull it immediately if I thought it were at all dubious, but it simply isn't. It's stood for the last (almost) six months without any complaint.
Question? Do you think it's possible that the previous holder of a certain KOM segment is a fair weather rider who has only just hauled his bike out of winter storage and is upset that 'his' KOM has disappeared?
There is no other conceivable reason to flag that ride over that route. The bulk of that route I ride often, and you'll see, if you check my data, that it's pretty much a 'normal' ride for me.
Whoever 'flagged' that ride needs to grit his teeth, take a good long swig of "Rule #5" and try harder. Or take up embroidery, as an alternative to cycling.
<"Waaaah! Waaaah! It's not fair, he stole my KOM!"> was not, as far as I was aware, what Strava's 'flag ride' option was invented for.
Thank you for considering my 'appeal' against this wholly unjustified ATTACK ON MY INTEGRITY!
The only thing wrong with that ride data is that the first part of that ride, ie: before the KOM segment, is missing due to my Garmin switching itself off in a rain shower. I restarted the Garmin just before that KOM segment, and the rest of the data is plainly FINE."
...is what I wrote in response, but Strava won't let me submit it. I therefore hit the "trust me, the data is fine" button, and got a "this Flag is resolved" message.
Question? Can whoever flagged it try again, or is it now done and dusted? I'm really not that bothered about the stupid KOM. I lost one to my own son just today (see post above). It's the challenge to my integrity that I object to. Strenuously.
I'm flagging your mental state. Can anyone have a quick look and give me some idea why it may have attracted such attention?
A quick look at it doesn't reveal anything obviously out of place. I'll admit that the KOM bit was a deliberate 'hunt', but I wrapped it up in a 'proper' ride that I was planning anyway, and I wasn't aware of a "no segment snatching" rule anyway???
I hit "request support review" as the option to sort it, but kept getting "There was an unexpected error requesting support. Please try again." as the repeated reply.
This...
"Seriously? I need to explain that?
Take a look at the trace, and ask yourself which part it's being flagged for. I can't see it. I'd pull it immediately if I thought it were at all dubious, but it simply isn't. It's stood for the last (almost) six months without any complaint.
Question? Do you think it's possible that the previous holder of a certain KOM segment is a fair weather rider who has only just hauled his bike out of winter storage and is upset that 'his' KOM has disappeared?
There is no other conceivable reason to flag that ride over that route. The bulk of that route I ride often, and you'll see, if you check my data, that it's pretty much a 'normal' ride for me.
Whoever 'flagged' that ride needs to grit his teeth, take a good long swig of "Rule #5" and try harder. Or take up embroidery, as an alternative to cycling.
<"Waaaah! Waaaah! It's not fair, he stole my KOM!"> was not, as far as I was aware, what Strava's 'flag ride' option was invented for.
Thank you for considering my 'appeal' against this wholly unjustified ATTACK ON MY INTEGRITY!
The only thing wrong with that ride data is that the first part of that ride, ie: before the KOM segment, is missing due to my Garmin switching itself off in a rain shower. I restarted the Garmin just before that KOM segment, and the rest of the data is plainly FINE."
...is what I wrote in response, but Strava won't let me submit it. I therefore hit the "trust me, the data is fine" button, and got a "this Flag is resolved" message.
Question? Can whoever flagged it try again, or is it now done and dusted? I'm really not that bothered about the stupid KOM. I lost one to my own son just today (see post above). It's the challenge to my integrity that I object to. Strenuously.
yellowjack said:
I have 'targeted' a small number of local segments in the past, leading to half a dozen KOMs.
Since you keep going on about them curiosity got the better and I had a look.It looks like there are 4, not half a dozen. Of those 4; 2 are a duplicate of the same segment and ridden by 4 people, 1 is in a housing estate that's been ridden by 2 people.
Given how much you've spat your dummy about these pointless "KOMs" I'm wondering whether Strava is really for you. Maybe the whole internet to be honest.
yellowjack said:
Look, I know this seems childish, getting hung up about someone else's inadequacies, but all through my military career, my integrity was without question. Now, deliberately, and on four separate activities, my honesty has been called into question. I can't help thinking that those who don't believe honour is worth defending don't actually understand the concept, which, perversely, tells me all I need to know about the mindset of "The Phantom Segment Flagger of Old Hawley Woods".
Well, there's no smoke without fire. Sounds to me like this "phantom segment flagger" is the only one with any honour here, especially as YOU are trying (in vain) to rubbish his good reputation and honour!
I'm glad people are around to expose grubby CHEATS LIKE YOU. We honest strava users think you are a disgrace. Quite frankly, Old harvey woods is a better place to cycle now that you have been removed from the segment.
Cheat. (on four separate activities).
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