Discussion
MadDad said:
So, tonight I decided to update my veloviewer page with my recent rides as I had not updated my profile for the best part of a month. After the sync had completed I noticed the button 'show my flagged segments' - not noticed it before so I thought I would take a look and was quite surprised to find that 122 segments have been flagged! These included the majority of segments in various trail centers, Whitedown Lane, Streatley Hill, a number of well known climbs in the Chilterns, and loads of other segments that looked fairly harmless to me.....
WTF do people do this? It stands to reason that segments in trail centers are going to contain some form of 'hazard' (probably more so if you are the sort of t
t that feels the need to flag them as hazardous), Streatley - Whitedown, really? Probably hazardous if you suffer from heart problems but the simple answer is not to ride them! I suffer from a compressed lower spine so I no longer run or do high impact sports - I have not lobbied the government to outlaw them though! Maybe I should write to Strava and ask them to remove the 'run' section of their website in case one day I have a total brain-fart and decide to go for a jog because of one of their challenges, then can't walk the following morning because my back is playing up.......
I can understand the odd vigil anti flagging fast segments past schools as hazardous, or segments that encourage knuckle-daggers to jump red-lights at cross-roads, but segments in trail centers and climbs that feature in the UK's top 100!?!?!?
Simple resolution should be to remove the 'flag as hazardous' button, and force anyone who wants to use Strava to sign an on-line acknowledgement stating that if you are stupid enough to ride beyond your capabilities or road conditions in pursuit of a virtual sticker for your virtual trophy cabinet and you crash/die/injure someone else, then not only are you a total dick-head, but you are also solely liable for your own stupid actions, and acknowledge that you cannot hold Strava or anyone else liable for your own lack of intelligence......
I wish the entire nanny state/liability culture would 'do-one', let Darwin and his natural selection theory get on with it..........how we developed a culture where we go out of our way to protect idiots is beyond me........
Following your rant, MadDad, I had a look at my veloviewer. 11 'flagged' segments. WTF do people do this? It stands to reason that segments in trail centers are going to contain some form of 'hazard' (probably more so if you are the sort of t
t that feels the need to flag them as hazardous), Streatley - Whitedown, really? Probably hazardous if you suffer from heart problems but the simple answer is not to ride them! I suffer from a compressed lower spine so I no longer run or do high impact sports - I have not lobbied the government to outlaw them though! Maybe I should write to Strava and ask them to remove the 'run' section of their website in case one day I have a total brain-fart and decide to go for a jog because of one of their challenges, then can't walk the following morning because my back is playing up.......I can understand the odd vigil anti flagging fast segments past schools as hazardous, or segments that encourage knuckle-daggers to jump red-lights at cross-roads, but segments in trail centers and climbs that feature in the UK's top 100!?!?!?
Simple resolution should be to remove the 'flag as hazardous' button, and force anyone who wants to use Strava to sign an on-line acknowledgement stating that if you are stupid enough to ride beyond your capabilities or road conditions in pursuit of a virtual sticker for your virtual trophy cabinet and you crash/die/injure someone else, then not only are you a total dick-head, but you are also solely liable for your own stupid actions, and acknowledge that you cannot hold Strava or anyone else liable for your own lack of intelligence......
I wish the entire nanny state/liability culture would 'do-one', let Darwin and his natural selection theory get on with it..........how we developed a culture where we go out of our way to protect idiots is beyond me........
Two versions of the descent from Ranmore Common into Westhumble (one of which was labelled 'safe' by it's creator), the descent of Crocknorth Road, Staples Lane descent, a segment down the A24 into Dorking which crosses the roundabout with the bike sculptures on it. 'William Ellis Close Climb' is possibly rightly flagged as it starts on the B3021 outside the Windsor Farm Shop and crosses the 'roundabout' onto the A308 (although if it were truly dangerous why would 3,256 people ride it more then 12,000 times?).
The 'tadpole lane speed trap' segment down Beacon Hill Road into Church Crookham probably deserves it's flag to a few people, as the junction with Tadpole Lane is the site of a 'shrine' to someone killed at that junction. The most bizarre I found was 'whitegate2' on South Road between the A3095 (Sandhurst) and Broadmoor. It's a gated road which has been closed to traffic for many years, but still retains a decent tarmac surface.
'Chequers Prime', a small 0.2 mile climb wasn't flagged on Strava, so the veloviewer 'update' button cleared it (WTF? why flag a bloody climb?) The silliest one for me, though, was 'Deerstalker'! It's on a RED TRAIL at Swinley Forest TRAIL CENTRE FFS!!! Of course it might be a little 'hazardous' - that's the bleedin' point, isn't it?
Anyways. I've got to agree with MadDad, it's absolutely mental that people can flag stuff all over the place, just because "it's a bit hard" or doesn't suit their strong points (ie: climbers flagging descents because they are a big wet-pants at descending). I've only come across a few segments where flagging made sense, like long climbs that finished with crossing three lanes of NSL traffic and a busy roundabout. (Why you wouldn't just end the segment just short of the first right turn I don't know) but for the most part, if your bike is properly maintained and you are remotely fit, you can ride most any segment there is. It surely can't be 'sour grapes' at work here? Folk 'flagging' segments out of spite because they themselves are slow, or maybe it's the individual rider who's dangerous and lacks the skills to ride a section? But then, like MadDad says, perhaps if something is not for you, just leave it be, and don't ride it again.
Salvation may be at hand, on Strava itself, although I'm not sure if it would affect veloviewer...
Strava said:
This segment has been flagged as hazardous.
We can still show you this segment's leaderboard if you agree to our Flagged Segment waiver. Proceed
...although it only allows you to see the leaderboard, it won't 'unflag' the segment. You will have to individually view and press the 'proceed' button on each 'flagged' activity, and Strava will not allow you to set goals, nor to gain 'achievements' as the segment retains it's 'flagged' status, it just means that you can see the data. The waiver itself? Give it a read, it's getting on for comedy gold. You can tell it's firmly aimed at the habitually litigious idiots out there. The very idiots life could probably do without anyway.We can still show you this segment's leaderboard if you agree to our Flagged Segment waiver. Proceed
after I signed the waiver Strava said:
This segment has been flagged as hazardous.
We can still show you this segment's leaderboard because you agreed to our Flagged Segment waiver for this segment. Goals and achievements remain disabled on all hazardous segments.
Perhaps a better solution would be a "request unflag" button which would remove the hazard flag from a segment if a sufficient proportion of it's riders requested it? That way, Strava could rely on the opinions of the sensible, reasonable, vaguely intelligent majority, instead of the lone squealing voice of one silly fool who fell off his bike because he tried to KOM a segment with a hairpin bend in a thunderstorm We can still show you this segment's leaderboard because you agreed to our Flagged Segment waiver for this segment. Goals and achievements remain disabled on all hazardous segments.
3013buz said:
CoolC said:
Does anyone know a way to download a gpx file of another users route?
I think this should help if you don't fancy paying for Strava premium! http://strava-tools.raceshape.com/vpu/
I went old school in the end and used two tabs flicking between the two copying the already done route over to my routes. I didn't want the exact route just the bulk in the middle. I've now extended it enough to cover Grand Frondo August
Can anyone help, I remember somebody posting a link where you can add your activity ID to it and it would bring up a page where you could click play and it would play out your ride but would also show other strava users that were riding in the same area at that time. Can anybody send me the link, or show me where to find it on strava?
Cheers
Cheers
Just checked my flagged segments, and I have 50 flagged segments. The Richmond park TT is on the list.
Even an uphill La Redoute section.
Leads me to think people flag them not because they're hazardous but because they're duplicates. Without realising they can personally hide them or just ignore them.
Even an uphill La Redoute section.
Leads me to think people flag them not because they're hazardous but because they're duplicates. Without realising they can personally hide them or just ignore them.
ALawson said:
No flags for me, need to ride quicker!
They're not flagged rides, but segments flagged as hazardous. This is an example of one you've ridden -
http://app.strava.com/segments/3459097
Edited by Fourmotion on Friday 1st August 17:12
ALawson said:
Ah ok, plenty of those!
Probably me reading to little of YJ's response, we all know he has had a few segments flagged
Your link isn't working for me!
All that was cleared up Probably me reading to little of YJ's response, we all know he has had a few segments flagged
Your link isn't working for me!
Apparently some 'genuinely concerned' user
The Strava support geeks were more than happy with my data, though, so all flags were cleared. Sour grapes by someone who lost a few KOMs to me is what I reckon (deep down I know that's what it was). I suspect I know who it is, too, but I've resisted the temptation to start a 'tit-for-tat' flagging war. He's since gone out and smashed those very same segments and taken some of them back, but he needed a cyclo-crosser to do it
There are a bunch of segments around here with KOM times that are impossible, and I originally thought that some cheating was going on, but it appears that a combination of GPS drift, and 'wiggly' technical segments following alongside tarmac straight bits means that not all the leaderboard efforts actually rode the segment (if that makes sense). The trouble is, it doesn't look like deliberate 'cheating' and with the limitations on GPS accuracy there's little that could be done to fix it.
I've also found a few new segments entirely by accident, just from mixing things up a bit, and lobbing in some random turns. It's quite nice to get back and upload an activity to find a whole load of new segments, and to be top ten in a few of them. The fitter I get, the further out I'm riding, and I'm also riding different routes within the same area to flesh out the ride and extend the mileage. Cycling is fun once again, as the pain recedes and the mobility increases. I'll be back on the roads again soon, I hope (recommisioning and old roadie), with a brand new replacement 'best' road bike to follow later in the year.
Reet.
Proper question time...
I run a Garmin Edge500. I ride a particular segment regularly, and it shows my time on the list of segments for the activity when I upload.
My son runs the Strava Android App. He rides the same segment regularly, yet it never shows up on the list of segments for his activity.
I've even ridden it with him, and his device or Strava account doesn't pick up the segment, whereas mine has.
What might be causing this? Or is it simply the case that his phone (Samsung of some kind) just isn't as accurate as the Garmin?
It's driving the poor lad up the wall. The segment cannot be raced 'head to head' as it's not wide enough, yet he's keen to blast his poor old dad into the weeds on as many segments as he can. Any simple, cheap/free things I/he can do that might help? Or will he have to save his pennies to buy a dedicated GPS?
Edit: I've had another look at his feed. I suspect he may just need to 'relax' his privacy settings. The segment is fairly close to home, so may not be showing if one of his privacy zones covers any part of it. I'll get him to have a look in the morning...
Proper question time...
I run a Garmin Edge500. I ride a particular segment regularly, and it shows my time on the list of segments for the activity when I upload.
My son runs the Strava Android App. He rides the same segment regularly, yet it never shows up on the list of segments for his activity.
I've even ridden it with him, and his device or Strava account doesn't pick up the segment, whereas mine has.
What might be causing this? Or is it simply the case that his phone (Samsung of some kind) just isn't as accurate as the Garmin?
It's driving the poor lad up the wall. The segment cannot be raced 'head to head' as it's not wide enough, yet he's keen to blast his poor old dad into the weeds on as many segments as he can. Any simple, cheap/free things I/he can do that might help? Or will he have to save his pennies to buy a dedicated GPS?
Edit: I've had another look at his feed. I suspect he may just need to 'relax' his privacy settings. The segment is fairly close to home, so may not be showing if one of his privacy zones covers any part of it. I'll get him to have a look in the morning...
Edited by yellowjack on Friday 1st August 23:16
88888888 said:
I fking hate strava.
Uploaded ride, says uploaded, doesn't appear, try again, says already uploaded, says click to select activities to upload but option is disabled, ride is now lost somewhere on Strava, can't re upload it and can't see it.
What a monumental waste of time.
Ah yes, bike rides don't count unless they are on Strava....king hate strava.Uploaded ride, says uploaded, doesn't appear, try again, says already uploaded, says click to select activities to upload but option is disabled, ride is now lost somewhere on Strava, can't re upload it and can't see it.
What a monumental waste of time.
Just chill, it will catch up soon enough
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