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antspants
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paulmon said: I take your point, which is why I bought a 2nd hand £300 hardtail to see what kind of riding I most enjoyed and whether I'd keep it up. I've now found that I do enjoy it, do have the time for it, and realised one of my best mates is also a fan but didn't know anybody he could go with. I also have a feeling the last two bikes you've listed may go for slightly more than their current prices, and are perhaps not as well suited to an unfit bloke trying to get up the hills as well as down  Can't wait for Friday.
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antspants
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Well I'm liking the Zesty so far. It got delivered to my office on Friday and the rain held off enough to head to Cannock after work. Just need to get used to the brakes which are a lot stronger than I'm used to, and swap the rear tyre (Conti Race King) which isn't grippy enough for me in the wet. Apart from that it feels great so far  However it did today lead my bravery to exceed my ability when I headed to the bmx track near my house, and made a right balls up of one jump and flew over the handlebars. I now have a couple of nice lumps and gouges out of my ankle and elbow. Realised my recently bought elbow pads aren't very useful when left at home, and that a better bike does not make me a better rider 
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jshell
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antspants said: swap the rear tyre (Conti Race King) which isn't grippy enough for me in the wet. Hmm, Conti tyre in 'Shyte in the Wet, Shocka!' Who'd have thunk it? 
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antspants
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jshell said: antspants said: swap the rear tyre (Conti Race King) which isn't grippy enough for me in the wet. Hmm, Conti tyre in 'Shyte in the Wet, Shocka!' Who'd have thunk it?  Yes the more I read the more apparent that becomes. Just after I'd fallen over on Sunday I got chatting to a guy, who said "woah that's a proper summer tyre you've got there!". I've had a few recommendations for a Maxxis combo of high rollers and minions as decent all rounders.
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jshell
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antspants said: jshell said: antspants said: swap the rear tyre (Conti Race King) which isn't grippy enough for me in the wet. Hmm, Conti tyre in 'Shyte in the Wet, Shocka!' Who'd have thunk it?  Yes the more I read the more apparent that becomes. Just after I'd fallen over on Sunday I got chatting to a guy, who said "woah that's a proper summer tyre you've got there!". I've had a few recommendations for a Maxxis combo of high rollers and minions as decent all rounders.  My verti pro's and MK's were pure comedy, it was like skating on ice. Had my best (worst) off's ever. I ran High Rollers for a while and they are the exact other end of the scale from Conti's, they grip even wet roots like superglue, but feck me are they 'draggy' mo-fo's!
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GG89
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antspants
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jshell said:  My verti pro's and MK's were pure comedy, it was like skating on ice. Had my best (worst) off's ever. I ran High Rollers for a while and they are the exact other end of the scale from Conti's, they grip even wet roots like superglue, but feck me are they 'draggy' mo-fo's! What are you running now?
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antspants
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Went out again tonight and fell off again  Not sure if front tyre might be over inflated as it just seems to twang or pop off the side of stones. Went to go down a log slope that I've never had a problem with before and the front tyre just twanged off the side of a stone as I went to go over the edge, tipped me to the left and straight towards a tree. Hit the brakes, straight over the bars and landed on the same bloody elbow as yesterday, oh and walloped my jaw on a tree root. I presume this just comes with the territory, as my wife keeps looking at me like I've gone mad, and helpfully reminds me that I'm now 40 
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pablo
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i'm not sure you're cut out for this cycling lark to be honest! 
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antspants
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pablo said: i'm not sure you're cut out for this cycling lark to be honest!  Ha ha, the same thought did cross my mind as I picked myself up off the floor last night, and when I realised how bloody stiff I was when I rolled out of bed this morning  Anyway, I'm going to order a Maxxis High Roller II for the front and an Ardent for the rear, this combo seems to be a favourite on the Lapierre forum. I shall report back on any further injuries after my next ride on Friday as long as the new tyres have arrived.
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a11y_m
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antspants said: Ha ha, the same thought did cross my mind as I picked myself up off the floor last night, and when I realised how bloody stiff I was when I rolled out of bed this morning  Anyway, I'm going to order a Maxxis High Roller II for the front and an Ardent for the rear, this combo seems to be a favourite on the Lapierre forum. I shall report back on any further injuries after my next ride on Friday as long as the new tyres have arrived. Not sure if you've ordered or not yet, but yesterday CRC had 2.35 single ply High Rollers (supertacky/42a or normal/60a) for £20.50. Not the revised "2" version but still a damn good tyre. A supertacky one of them on the front would be a good tyre and a bargain at that price. I order two 
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pablo
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antspants said: Ha ha, the same thought did cross my mind as I picked myself up off the floor last night, and when I realised how bloody stiff I was when I rolled out of bed this morning  Anyway, I'm going to order a Maxxis High Roller II for the front and an Ardent for the rear, this combo seems to be a favourite on the Lapierre forum. I shall report back on any further injuries after my next ride on Friday as long as the new tyres have arrived. try dropping your seatpost an inch too, sounds like you are pitching yourself too far forwards so dropping teh post may give you some sapce to hang off the back a bit more. also check the shocks are set up for your weight and increase the front brake lever travel becuase on a new bike, they can be quite "snatchy" so increasing the travel might reduce this.
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antspants
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a11y_m said: Not sure if you've ordered or not yet, but yesterday CRC had 2.35 single ply High Rollers (supertacky/42a or normal/60a) for £20.50. Not the revised "2" version but still a damn good tyre. A supertacky one of them on the front would be a good tyre and a bargain at that price. I order two  Cheers for the heads up  Do I need to get UST tyres to go on my UST rims, or will these fit if I use some sealant? ETA - any recommendations on a track pump?
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rhinochopig
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68 months
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jshell said: antspants said: swap the rear tyre (Conti Race King) which isn't grippy enough for me in the wet. Hmm, Conti tyre in 'Shyte in the Wet, Shocka!' Who'd have thunk it?  I have to say I disagree as I run a set on my HT. The race-king is a superb all round tyre. Whilst wet weather grip isn't its strongest point it's a ~ 400g race tyre with low profile tread so it is never going to be a wet weather specialist. It's like complaining the R888s are rubbish at a wet track-day. Considering how minimal the tread pattern is, the way it finds grip in the wet is outstanding. I don't buy this or that tyre is s  t comments these days as there are so few s  t tyres on the market. The truth is that all premium tyres have their strengths and weaknesses and you simply need to use the tyre for their intended use.
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antspants
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rhinochopig said: I have to say I disagree as I run a set on my HT. The race-king is a superb all round tyre. Whilst wet weather grip isn't its strongest point it's a ~ 400g race tyre with low profile tread so it is never going to be a wet weather specialist. My intention is to hang on to it and possibly use it in the 'summer', if it gets a bit drier. I'm sure you're right about its performance, however I just don't think it is suited to my novice ability in these conditions. Having read a few reviews it would appear to be aimed more at the experienced and faster rider, whereas I would like more initial grip to give me the confidence to go quicker. I'm obviously not on my own, as there are 7 pages of tyre related threads on the Lapierre forum.
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rhinochopig
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antspants said: rhinochopig said: I have to say I disagree as I run a set on my HT. The race-king is a superb all round tyre. Whilst wet weather grip isn't its strongest point it's a ~ 400g race tyre with low profile tread so it is never going to be a wet weather specialist. My intention is to hang on to it and possibly use it in the 'summer', if it gets a bit drier. I'm sure you're right about its performance, however I just don't think it is suited to my novice ability in these conditions. Having read a few reviews it would appear to be aimed more at the experienced and faster rider, whereas I would like more initial grip to give me the confidence to go quicker. I'm obviously not on my own, as there are 7 pages of tyre related threads on the Lapierre forum. Undoubtedly they are a summer tyre, but they're far from 'shyte' as they were referred to in the post I was responding to. One thing to consider about wet weather, tyre choice and novices is this: it's better to have a tyre that breaks away at slower speeds progressively than one that offers good grip and then lets go quickly at high speeds, as when this happens it hurts a lot. Like driving, you'll become a much better rider when you're confident in how your bike behaves beyond its limit. Don't take my word for it though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGjrdG0FYws
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jshell
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antspants said: What are you running now?
I'm on Maxxis Crossmarks right now as my ride is mostly commute, with occasional off-roading. Despite the reviews, I did take the bike on a serious Norwegian offroad jaunt and was hugely surprised how capable the crossmarks were on rocky climbs and technical wet tree root/loose pine needle descents! I have them on my Trance and Whyte now.
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antspants
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rhinochopig said: One thing to consider about wet weather, tyre choice and novices is this: it's better to have a tyre that breaks away at slower speeds progressively than one that offers good grip and then lets go quickly at high speeds, as when this happens it hurts a lot. Are you intimating that the High Roller is the latter ie. high grip followed by none, and if so what else should I be considering? My issue with the Mountain King front is that I have no front end bite, and it just wants to run wide all the time, especially on off camber corners.
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a11y_m
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I'm not that familiar with UST stuff I'm afraid. I'm still running tubes!
IME HR's have a high limit of grip but when they break away it can be quite abrupt. Doesn't make them a bad tyre though. Currently using a 2.2" Conti Rubber Queen on the front of my Spicy and find it less grippy overall compared to the High Roller, but more progressive when it does let go. They size up very big for a 2.2" though (bigger than a 2.35 HR) hence I'm sticking to a 2.35 HR on the front of my hardtail.
Spicy: Conti Rubber Queen 2.2 (f), Specialized Eskar 2.3 (r) 456: Maxxis HR 2.35 42a (f), Schwalbe Nobby Nic 2.2 (r)
I found the Nobby Nic fecking useless on the front but understand they're very pressure-sensitive. I tend to run high(ish) pressures to avoid pinch flats so probably didn't get the best from it.
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rhinochopig
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antspants said: rhinochopig said: One thing to consider about wet weather, tyre choice and novices is this: it's better to have a tyre that breaks away at slower speeds progressively than one that offers good grip and then lets go quickly at high speeds, as when this happens it hurts a lot. Are you intimating that the High Roller is the latter ie. high grip followed by none, and if so what else should I be considering? My issue with the Mountain King front is that I have no front end bite, and it just wants to run wide all the time, especially on off camber corners. I used to run high rollers on my MTB Tandem - when it was set-up for black runs /steep rocky stuff - and they're an excellent tyre WRT to taking a battering and remaining inflated. Break-away is still reasonably progressive but they're draggy as hell and when they do let go you'll be going at a fair old whack. They take a hell of a lot of energy to keep rolling. Rather than blame the tyres - I have them on my full sus and find them excellent - have a play with your tyre pressures and look at your body positioning. Nearly all cases of running wide can be attributed to rider body position. For corners weight should be slightly forward being pushed through inside hand and outside foot. This keeps the front wheel weighted. As the corner unwinds and get back on the gas to sit the bike upright. It's easier to say that do, so get your mates to watch you / video you so you can see what your doing. e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm1ANkGUQI8&fea... watch from 7mins then look at part 2. It's worth watching the whole vid TBH as it has some useful tips.
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