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Digger
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So which relevant cyclists were banned from the Olympics? There is a possible argument that banned from the Olympics then the ruling bodies could prevent future participation.
Why would you allow their competing outside the Olympics? After all the Olympics is just another competition?
Either believe in a full-on lifetime ban or not?
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Robsti
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No problem for me with a complete life time ban from all competitions it's bleeding hearts like you that makes that scenario un-workable!  Tell me this,if a lifetime ban was introduced for all competitions how long or how many athletes would have to be banned before the penny dropped that it was not worth it?
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Digger
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So . . . advocate for a ban for life then, or is your heart leaking? If so, it needs plugging!
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Digger
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Robsti said: Tell me this,if a lifetime ban was introduced for all competitions how long or how many athletes would have to be banned before the penny dropped that it was not worth it? One! Actually . . . not One, but none. Humans cannot control the vagaries of their brains' and their desire to win. Humans will cheat. When has it ever been stopped? Control is all we can do. Get over yourself.  One.
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Robsti
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Well if that is true then what's to say that ex dopers are not still doping?
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Digger
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egor110
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Robsti said: Well if that is true then what's to say that ex dopers are not still doping? Surely a athlete who has previous for doping is going to be the most tested person taking part?
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Robsti
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Digger said: If what is true? If what you said about humans not being able to not cheat!
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Digger
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Robsti said: Well if that is true then what's to say that ex dopers are not still doping? Nothing. Nothing at all. Except Digger said: Control is all we can do. ie Doping Control.
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Robsti
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Digger said: One! Actually . . . not One, but none. Humans cannot control the vagaries of their brains' and their desire to win. Humans will cheat. When has it ever been stopped? Control is all we can do. Get over yourself. One. That statement is offensive in the extreme to clean athletes!
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Digger
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To some maybe, but all the top athletes have an understanding as they have to comply with Doping Control and associated procedures. It is indeed very unfortunate, but has to be accepted as part of modern-day sport.
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itsnotarace
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Robsti
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Digger said: To some maybe, but all the top athletes have an understanding as they have to comply with Doping Control and associated procedures. It is indeed very unfortunate, but has to be accepted as part of modern-day sport. It's the fact that you are saying that the only reason they are clean is because of the testing not because the have the talent and commitment and honesty to do it by the rules that's offensive!
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yonex
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Robsti said: It's the fact that you are saying that the only reason they are clean is because of the testing not because the have the talent and commitment and honesty to do it by the rules that's offensive! I think it's just you (again)? Seriously, change the record.
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Digger
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Robsti said: Digger said: To some maybe, but all the top athletes have an understanding as they have to comply with Doping Control and associated procedures. It is indeed very unfortunate, but has to be accepted as part of modern-day sport. It's the fact that you are saying that the only reason they are clean is because of the testing not because the have the talent and commitment and honesty to do it by the rules that's offensive! I never said that. I am of the opinion every single athlete is clean until 'proven' otherwise. It is also a given in regards to appreciating any individual's talents & abilities in their attempt to reach the pinnacle of their chosen sport.
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Robsti
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Digger said: I never said that. I am of the opinion every single athlete is clean until 'proven' otherwise. It is also a given in regards to appreciating any individual's talents & abilities in their attempt to reach the pinnacle of their chosen sport. Yes you did! Digger said "Actually . . . not One, but none. Humans cannot control the vagaries of their brains' and their desire to win. Humans will cheat. When has it ever been stopped? Control is all we can do. " 
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Digger
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My point being that potentially all athletes could be clean. Potentially all athletes could be taking performance-enhancing drugs too.
I dont state facts, i only offer up an opinion.
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Robsti
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Digger said: My point being that potentially all athletes could be clean. Potentially all athletes could be taking performance-enhancing drugs too.
I dont state facts, i only offer up an opinion. Opinion are like arse holes everyones got one!
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Kermit power
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Robsti said: Digger said: When was the last time you were forgiven for an indiscretion Robsti? Apart from starting this thread obviously. Sorry, athletes know the rules! I am not advocating them being banned for life from competing but from the Olympics YES LIFE! The reason doping is so widespread is the gain versus downside scenario which if was far tougher would stop it In it's tracks. Athletes do indeed know the rules. The rules state that a banned athlete can return to competition after they've served their ban. By the same logic, can we assume that you think anyone who has been caught for drink-driving should be banned for life? After all, they knew the rules too. Or do you think it reasonable that after they've served their ban they should bet their licence back, so long as they're not caught again? The main difference, after all, is that a drink-driver is more likely to kill someone else than a doper is.
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Robsti
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Kermit power said: Athletes do indeed know the rules. The rules state that a banned athlete can return to competition after they've served their ban.
By the same logic, can we assume that you think anyone who has been caught for drink-driving should be banned for life? After all, they knew the rules too. Or do you think it reasonable that after they've served their ban they should bet their licence back, so long as they're not caught again?
The main difference, after all, is that a drink-driver is more likely to kill someone else than a doper is. The BOAs rules before they were overruled were Life BANS for convicted drug cheats! If that had been the case for all nations we would not have Vino as Olympic road race champion!
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