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Gizmoish
15,494 posts
78 months
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fid said: So they just said the amazing thing about BMX racing is that next week the result could be entirely different. More luck than skill then? I'd say so. As before, I'm not saying she isn't a serious athlete, but it's not a serious sport. The best should win. All these crashes just mean the luckiest wins.
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LighthouseTrait
2,495 posts
45 months
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HeatonNorris said: mcelliott said: I think you're being very out of order fella, nothing wrong with her build - easy to criticise behind a keyboard, when was the last time you made an Olympic final you t  t?  Are you denying that she looks a bit chunky compared with her cycling team peers? Sod all to do with being behind a keyboard - I have a serious illness which stops me competing these days - but I used to compete against Darren Campbell back in my day. Never got close to him, but I was, for a time, competing with and against him. Put that in your pipe, McIdiot.. 
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Greg66
1,523 posts
47 months
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HeatonNorris said: When I saw Shanaze racing, I thought 'she looks a bit chunky for a sportswoman'.
Initially I thought I was being unkind - but even when she was at the peak of her abilities, she was still a very chunky girl.
I do wonder if that has a bearing on her performance - she just doesn't look like a winner, if that makes sense. In a sprint event, bulk helps. Harder to get off the line (hence chunky legs) but once moving, momentum helps you. Hoy and Bauge are pretty massive, and it hasn't hurt them (well, except that Bauge loses and his team complains about our wheels). Ditto Hushovd. Cav is a bit of an exception as far as sprinters go, size-wise. I was always a bit sceptical about BMXers until one posted on another cycling forum I dip into about how he puts out > 2000w for 45s. Cue uproar, general disbelief and scoffing. Then he posted the power files from SRM. And he did indeed output those numbers. He raced BMX semi-pro.
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HeatonNorris
1,649 posts
17 months
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Greg66 said: In a sprint event, bulk helps. Harder to get off the line (hence chunky legs) but once moving, momentum helps you. Hoy and Bauge are pretty massive, and it hasn't hurt them (well, except that Bauge loses and his team complains about our wheels). Ditto Hushovd. Cav is a bit of an exception as far as sprinters go, size-wise.
I was always a bit sceptical about BMXers until one posted on another cycling forum I dip into about how he puts out > 2000w for 45s. Cue uproar, general disbelief and scoffing.
Then he posted the power files from SRM. And he did indeed output those numbers.
He raced BMX semi-pro. As a (running) sprinter, I appreciate that bulk helps - it just struck me that, in comparison to other cyclists, she didn't look like someone who would win a medal. I appreciate that BMX isn't the same as track sprint cycling, but, I don' t know, she just doesn't look quite as 'in shape' as I'd expected.
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billzeebub
2,333 posts
68 months
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Kermit power
14,855 posts
82 months
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Greg66 said: HeatonNorris said: When I saw Shanaze racing, I thought 'she looks a bit chunky for a sportswoman'.
Initially I thought I was being unkind - but even when she was at the peak of her abilities, she was still a very chunky girl.
I do wonder if that has a bearing on her performance - she just doesn't look like a winner, if that makes sense. In a sprint event, bulk helps. Harder to get off the line (hence chunky legs) but once moving, momentum helps you. Hoy and Bauge are pretty massive, and it hasn't hurt them (well, except that Bauge loses and his team complains about our wheels). Ditto Hushovd. Cav is a bit of an exception as far as sprinters go, size-wise.I was always a bit sceptical about BMXers until one posted on another cycling forum I dip into about how he puts out > 2000w for 45s. Cue uproar, general disbelief and scoffing. Then he posted the power files from SRM. And he did indeed output those numbers. He raced BMX semi-pro. Regarding Cav, this is very true. I'd love to understand more about the physiology of cycling, and where Cav fits into it. He's the greatest sprinter of all time, yet he's quite a bit shorter and lighter than his competitors. He's very similar in height & weight to Tommy Voeckler, yet he can't climb. Anyone know why this is? I could also say he's similar in weight & height to Contador, but that leaves the "why" far more open to speculation!!! Needless to say, when I say Cav can't climb, I mean in relative terms. He'd still leave 99.9% of the population for dead up any slope.
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Greg66
1,523 posts
47 months
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Kermit power said: Regarding Cav, this is very true. I'd love to understand more about the physiology of cycling, and where Cav fits into it.
He's the greatest sprinter of all time, yet he's quite a bit shorter and lighter than his competitors. He's very similar in height & weight to Tommy Voeckler, yet he can't climb. Anyone know why this is? I could also say he's similar in weight & height to Contador, but that leaves the "why" far more open to speculation!!!
Needless to say, when I say Cav can't climb, I mean in relative terms. He'd still leave 99.9% of the population for dead up any slope. Bit of guesswork here, but: I think Cav's physiology allows him to ride anaerobically for longer than his competitors - say (random numbers for example) he can hold 1000w for 45s whereas his competitors can hold 900w for 40s. But for climbing you want to have a high aerobic threshold and be able to hold it for a long time - say 300w for 2 hours for a climber vs say 250w for 2 hours by Cav. All of those power powers are completely made up, btw, but hopefully illustrate the point. The "why" one person is built one way and another is built another way is well beyond me. Besides a massive burst power:weight ratio, Cav uses his size well in a sprint. Look at any bunch sprint head on shot and you will see he is a lot lower than anyone else = smaller hole in the air to punch.
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fid
2,372 posts
109 months
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Kermit power said: Regarding Cav, this is very true. I'd love to understand more about the physiology of cycling, and where Cav fits into it.
He's the greatest sprinter of all time, yet he's quite a bit shorter and lighter than his competitors. He's very similar in height & weight to Tommy Voeckler, yet he can't climb. Anyone know why this is?... It's all down to the muscle fibres, fast twitch, slow twitch.
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okgo
20,718 posts
67 months
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Lets see that SRM file then Greg. 2000w for 45 seconds, I'll put my hand up and say that sounds far too high. Bearing in mind the peaks of the likes of Hoy are just about up there and they can only manage that for a few seconds.
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Greg66
1,523 posts
47 months
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okgo said: Lets see that SRM file then Greg. 2000w for 45 seconds, I'll put my hand up and say that sounds far too high. Bearing in mind the peaks of the likes of Hoy are just about up there and they can only manage that for a few seconds. I'll try to find it. It was on Weightweenies, I think, probably more than 3 years ago. Off to the handball finals now, so it will have to wait. That was (as I recall) exactly the initial reaction on ww though...
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Greg66
1,523 posts
47 months
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Memory playing slight tricks. 1300w for 10s; 2220w for 5s. http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic....Steadystate's post about five down on page 4 of the thread. ETA: figures now quoted accurately. Trying to read, understand and type whilst trying to get off a train at the same time is not a recipe for success.
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okgo
20,718 posts
67 months
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Cheers. Much more realistic.
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